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[guillaumeb]

1. It felt that way also when the Watergate conspiracy was happening.

But we did not have 24/7 media overload and the internet.

[rzemanfl]

2. We were younger and stronger too. n/t

[guillaumeb]

4. Are we now older and wiser?

Not speaking of conservative voters here.

[rzemanfl]

6. I don't think old and wise is going to fix this mess. n/t

[dixiegrrrrl]

10. " The young man knows the rules

the old man knows the exceptions"

If we taught our children well, they will take after us when the SHTF.
As noted above,. constant information can be daunting. We watched on Tv for a couple of news, then read the news paper, then had a whole night/day to think and discuss before anymore news.
Now it is overwhelming at times.

[nancy1942]

11. This is much worse.

During Watergate I felt confident that things would return to normal in due time; now I feel nothing but despair. We will never see normal in this country again.

[defacto7]

17. Watergate seems trite compared to this.

And Nixon was an angel compared to this... thing we have in the presidency.

[alittlelark]

14. ...Uhhhh.... was our greatest adversary involved?......

...NO.

This a whole new game............

: scared:

[flamingdem]

3. If they get away with Russiagate

we're royally fuckt

[Funtatlaguy]

5. It won't get that far.

Powers that be are very comfortable with Pence.
Once word leaks that Muellers report will be devastating, you will see the rats turn on Trump.
Fox News will be the canary in coal mine. Papa Murdoch will make the call.

[RKP5637]

15. Always makes one wonder about Murdoch's un-America agenda. Bit by bit he works hard

to bring down the US democracy. IMO, he should really be under investigation, maybe he already is.

[Dustlawyer]

7. It all still comes down money in our politics.

The Powers that Be want to maintain control over our government. Their voting base is shrinking so they are turning to ever more desperate and illegal means to stay in power. Their servants, the politicians are looking the other way from treason in order to do the bidding of their rich Donors.

After Sandy Hook 95% wanted some form of gun control and it failed. The Republican Health care bill has only 15% support from Americans, yet it is a vote or two away from passing on the 4th try. Four times!!! If that fdoesn't prove we have a shadow government what does?

Our media will not mention campaign finance reform and barely acknowledges the problem of money in our politics. They will however, spew complete propaganda and lies to keep the cult like, brainwashed followers behind whatever they do.

When will we see the forest through the trees and realize we have to get rid of the legal bribery of our so-called, "elected" officials? When will we demand Publicly Funded Elections?

[Blaukraut]

23. This is why I'm not as sanguine as others here, either

The voice of the majority has been effectively silenced. I keep telling my husband that we'll end up with an apartheid-like government.

[Quanta]

8. Don't give up hope, don't stop fighting

The truth will come out. Stay strong, stay the course. If any of us give up, we might lose. That would suck.

[Catmusicfan]

9. I had a college professor who believe in the next 50-75 yrs the U.S. would dissolve

Into 2-5 countries

[RKP5637]

16. I've wondered the same. n/t

[roamer65]

21. I can see NY and New England becoming Canadian provinces.

They have a lot in common with Ontario and the Atlantic provinces. It would also give Canada a land bridge to the Atlantic in the instance Quebec ever decided for independence.

[NRaleighLiberal]

12. Feels like that to me - and I am typically an optimist!

Feels like we've been pushed beyond the bend - no heroes in sight (at least those who can actually do something about this).

[lunasun]

13. Try to be ready for it . We can fight and lose unfortunately . I don't want to be a downer and I

hope for the best outcome and try to do my part
I did gotv in 16 will be out again for 18 but if it continues to spiral down then best be ready for it
as much as one can since we don't know where the crazy is going on any given day
but various histories show us what can happen overall with decline

My biggest disgust is for all the enablers-not just trump and family but Rs in congress , red cap trumpers, & those who choose to ignore what has been happening since he announced his candidacy

[lib-ruhl]

18. Most will never see it coming....

They're too busy FBing...

Watching the Bachelor. ..Bachelorette!

It will be like they woke up from a coma when its all said and done.....

[RhodeIslandOne]

28. They only took time out to vote for "The Apprentice"

Fucking useless idiots.

[roamer65]

19. It is the goal of Putin zealots.

Including Dump. Putin sees it as revenge for the dissolution of the USSR and many are ready to do his bidding.

[bdamomma]

20. Putin and Bannon

plan is happening, we all should be throwing these jerks OUT!!!

[sinkingfeeling]

22. I agree 100%.

[roamer65]

24. If the dismantling of ACA happens, it will accelerate the process.

Some states will move toward single payor, but they will need to curb immigration. So they will start to introduce residency requirements very similar to citizenship.

[defacto7]

25. It's time to be patriots....

It's time to be valiant. Are we still made of the stuff that the founders and those who risked everything to defend freedom were made of? We have cowards running the government. We have cowards screaming fake news and spreading propaganda who hide behind computer keyboards laughing their asses off all the way to their bitcoin account. We have a country littered with ammosexuals who would cry "no fair" if they couldn't threaten families and babies with their dicks of death while hiding in some cornfield.
Are we going to sit at the cable TV going tisk tisk until America is obliterated. I'm sure many American citizens will just try to change the channel when they realize it's all gone.

[GreenEyedLefty]

26. Except it's not.

I spent two glorious weeks exploring the American West with my family this month. Two weeks, without hearing that nutjob's voice... and guess what, the sun still rose in the east and set in the west. There is much to be grateful for and much beauty left in this world. There is a time to fight, but also a time to rest and reflect. Try not to despair - we are all in this together.

[roamer65]

31. What a beautiful picture.

[Akamai]

33. Lovely picture! I'm sure you were able to decompress.

[yuiyoshida]

27. At this rate in a few years we might have

instead of states, a few new nation countries. Just like what happened to the Soviet Union.

[qanda]

30. Get rid of your TV

Seriously. The nonstop retelling of the same bad news is not healthy for anyone. I was forced to not have TV and it has helped me so much. I thought I was losing it.

[Akamai]

32. I recommend listening to Thom Hartmann's show for insights, hope

and tactics.

He states, "As Bernie Sanders said, despair is not an option!"

Really, the best insight on politics, economics, etc.

[sandensea]

34. We've made it through worse.

And we'll definitely make it through Cheeto.

[Horse with no Name]

35. I've thought long and hard which way to go

But if we see a Balkanization of this country, I think my best bet will be Minnesota. Hopefully Canada will absorb some of the states.
We keep losing elections we win.
There is really something wrong with that.