I don't understand why we all love John McCain now...

[ExciteBike66]

He voted against "skinny repeal" because he wants to go further and enact legislation replacing Ocare with something more republican-y. He is not our friend in this matter...

[Skittles]

1. I don't trust any Republican

but for now he really stuck it to that loser bastard Trump and for that I say THANK YOU SENATOR MCCAIN

[ExciteBike66]

3. True

I do value "sticking it to Trump", that is for sure.

[malaise]

4. +1,000

That simple

[Gabi Hayes]

2. He's not gonna be around for any of that

Too bad

[Kaleva]

5. He is what he is and we ought to celbrate his sticking it to Trump

[get the red out]

7. This!

And sticking it to McConnell too.

[Not Ruth]

6. Yesterday, people were hoping that he would suffer every minute until he died

Different news cycle I guess

[Renew Deal]

17. That's politics

[SCantiGOP]

59. No, Not Ruth, 'we' weren't

Some disgusting assholes here on DU were hoping for McCain's agony and death. Most of us are a bit more humane than that, and have a bit more nuance in our thinking. For a Republican Senator he stands out against the crowd of moronic tea partiers.
He made a great gesture and put his country before his party.
I would never vote for him, but I can admire what he did, especially in contrast to his fellow party members.

[Hieronymus]

8. I don't love McCain.

[octoberlib]

9. Who says "we all love John McCain" ?

He voted no. I'll take it , whatever his reasons were.

[WePurrsevere]

10. Exactly my thoughts as well. I can emotionally 'multitask'...

I can dislike a lot about someone's policies, stances, etc but be happy when they do something I approve of and in McCain's case respect that he served our country in the military.

[lisby]

11. Life is not either/or, my friend.

I do not "love" McCain for what he did, but the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Also, McCain is dying and he knows it. That tends to alter one's priorities.

[ExciteBike66]

22. He is a friend to your enemies!

"I do not "love" McCain for what he did, but the enemy of my enemy is my friend."

But he is not the enemy of your enemy! That is my point! He wants to repeal and replace Ocare, just like your other enemies!

[SamKnause]

12. I don't.

He is the enemy.

I don't love my enemies.

I don't wish my enemies well.

They are EVIL LIARS.

The world would be a better place without them.

They want to turn the U.S. into a Corporate Theocracy.

[secondwind]

13. Feeling very grateful to Sen John McCain this morning.

He did the right thing. Thank you, sir!

[obnoxiousdrunk]

57. +1. Thank you.

[JI7]

14. you don't have to love him. but i think he is a good person and did the right thing

[ExciteBike66]

21. Did you miss his vote from two days ago, or something?

[hlthe2b]

15. You know, if one were drowning and someone you detest throws a rope...

would one not have at least SOME moments of gratitude? Does that mean all is forgotten? (no)

Geebus.

[OnDoutside]

18. Well said. If people cannot acknowledge that much, they need to have a look in the mirror before

accusing Reps of stuff.

[ExciteBike66]

20. Oh stop your dramatic whining!

McCain did what he did for reasons we should not support. He has blocked one bad law only to support another bad law.

I acknowledge that he did what I would have wished on this specific vote, but have we all forgotten his vote two days ago?

[OnDoutside]

23. I haven't forgotten. Two days ago, he said he would vote to allow the debate to happen

but would not support the bill as it was.

He was consistent. He has a lot of baggage but to not give credit where it is warranted, doesn't reflect well when Democrats should be better than that.

Link to tweet

[ExciteBike66]

26. You are missing my point.

"but to not give credit where it is warranted, doesn't reflect well when Democrats should be better than that."

My point is that credit in this instance is NOT warranted, regardless of his vote last night. He still supports repeal, it's just that last nights repeal was not the type he wanted.

[OnDoutside]

32. He asked for Regular Order, and a Bipartisan effort on Healthcare. Burn him, Burn him at the stake !

[ExciteBike66]

65. He asked for a bipartisan effort

to repeal and replace Obamacare, something that will not happen on the Dem side. Below is a link to his statement from June. Perhaps if he came out and said he preferred amending Obamacare to strengthen it, I would feel a bit more enthusiastic about his vote last night. However, it is clear that as of now he is supporting the Republican effort to repeal Obamacare.


https://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=BF26BF27-8004-46CD-9453-1BD080CD0316

[ExciteBike66]

19. Not sure what your "geebus" is all about

but his "rope" in this instance is tied to a snake named "repeal and replace".

I have some measure of gratitude for the small reprieve McCain has granted us.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

16. Who's we? nt

[HAB911]

24. Sometimes, the enemy of my enemy ...............

[ExciteBike66]

28. McCain is not the enemy of our enemy,

he is all for repealing Obamacare, just like his republican friends.

[HAB911]

40. In this instance, he filled the role, however fleeting

[Saboburns]

25. Theres only about a handful of human beings on Earth I love

I stayed up and watched it all unfold last night.

Collins Murkowski McCain were brave last night. The MILLIONS OF WHO CALLED, KNOCKED ON DOORS AND WORKED OUR ASSES OFF ARE HAPPY TODAY THAT THEY WERE BRAVE. Republicans have never done something like that, at least in my lifetime.

The Republican move to repeal Obamacare DIED last night.

Of they wont say that, and they may try something later but make no mistake, THE GOP ATTEMPT TO REPEAL OBAMACARE DIED LAST NIGHT. It died and made the GOP out to be weak, foolish, and divided.

So please, tell me how I aint supposed to be happy with John McCain this morning.

[ExciteBike66]

29. You should not be happy because you are wrong:

"The Republican move to repeal Obamacare DIED last night. "

You are wrong. McCain himself said he supports repeal.

[Saboburns]

34. "It's time to move on Mr. President." Mitch McConnell at 2:30 am last night

There is video. You can look it up.

And after all was said and done, the Senate is in recess til Monday at 4pm. Where they will be voting on judges.

Game over.

[Saboburns]

36. Oh and keep watching said video

For the part where Mitch McConnel states, "Now its time to work with our colleagues across the aisle on healthcare."

Kind of says it all, now don`t it.

[BannonsLiver]

48. Here's an idea

Stop telling people what they should and shouldn't be happy about.

[madaboutharry]

27. McCain can be unpredictable

I think he is a conflicted man.

Sometimes you just need to give a person credit for doing the right thing and not have any expectations about tomorrow.

[ExciteBike66]

30. Conflicted

He has come out and said clearly he supports repeal, he just also wants to replace at the same time. He said it in his statement about his vote. There is no conflict there.

[Squinch]

31. And we give no credit to Collins and Murkowski who led the way and took the bullying from Trump(R).

But they don't have penii, so it's not that important.

[madaboutharry]

33. I disagree

They have gotten a lot of credit. Murkowski has become better known nationally. She went from being a little known Senator from Alaska to a major player with a ton of spine.

[Squinch]

35. Are you seeing this coverage of McCain? And how about Collins? "Collins, who?"

They have been against it all along. They have been saying the sane thing for weeks. And not for nothing, but Murkowski is often the lone sane voice in the Republican wilderness. Why has it taken till now for us to recognize her at all? I know why.

This guy flies in, gives a speech, and we call the victory his.

[madaboutharry]

37. I'm not watching tv at the moment

But I get what your saying. Collins and Murkowski have gotten a lot of attention. It would have passed without McCain. I can be grateful for the day he gave us today. And I think his vote has more than one reason.

[Demit]

38. Yes, they get mentioned as an afterthought. When actually they set the table

for McCain to be the hero.

[Squinch]

39. No, they didn't set any tables. They were no one's servants. They were the heroes.

McCain is just a guy who came in after all the work was done and said, "Hey, OK, I'll hopping on this bus you're driving."

And yet, in our twisted world, he is the one who is called "the hero." The two women who did the heavy lifting, put up with Trump(R)s bullying and threats are called the ones who "set the table."

[Demit]

42. Relax. It's a baseball term.

Collins & Murkowski did the work of being on base so slugger could come to the plate.

[Squinch]

44. Where it comes from doesn't change the fact that it presents the events wrongly.

And I'm quite relaxed, thanks.

[Demit]

45. Your ignorance of the term led you to jump to a wrong conclusion.

Clinging to it even after having the metaphor explained to you doesn't make you look any better. You could have just said, Oh, I never heard that term, I'm not a baseball fan. But go ahead, stay ignorant.

[Squinch]

68. Maybe it's time for you to relax. The term was a ridiculous choice given the subject at hand.

You could have just conceded that. But go ahead. Stay ignorant.

[Demit]

69. LOL, "setting the table," as if for dinner, wouldn't even make any sense in this context.

I can't even follow your thought process there.

But, interestingly, you seem to think that setting a table for dinner is something only women do. That's something you could work on! Since you seem to resist learning things that other people know but you have never heard of. Good luck! I'm pulling for you!

[Squinch]

70. And someday maybe you'll understand that your analogy, even in the baseball context, is sexist.

"Set the table: To get runners on base ahead of the power hitters in the lineup."


It says the two women - the ones who took the heat and the bullying from Trump(R) for weeks - were simply preparing the board for the vote from McCain, the "power hitter."

I'm going to hold my breath waiting for you to understand that, though.

Don't feel bad about not being able to follow a thought process. And really, you should relax about it.

[Iggo]

41. We don't. So, you're wrong about that.

[dalton99a]

43. +1

[Proud Liberal Dem]

46. I (still) don't "love" him

He (and Graham) love to talk a good game but nearly always lets us down in the end. I love that McCain ultimately did the right thing (for once) and voted ACA repeal down at the last minute. It was too damned close, though, and he had it in him to reject the process that lead to last night's vote two days ago but didn't- even though his words stood in direct contradiction to his. The only people whom *really* deserve our gratitude are Collins, Murkowski, and every.single.Democrat in the House and Senate, as well as everybody whom consistently fought and voted against this bill or the process (or both).

[MineralMan]

47. What makes you think we love McCain.

He took the heat for the necessary No vote. That's all. He's the one with the least to lose from voting against that nightmare of a bill. So, he did, in agreement with others who wanted it to fail but were afraid to vote against it.

The result was good, but McCain was just taking the hit for it.

[GoCubsGo]

49. Giving credit where credit is due is not "loving" someone.

McCain did the right thing, as he does on rare occasion, and we thank him for that. Doesn't mean we love him.

[ck4829]

50. K&R

[Zambero]

51. We don't have to "love" McCain

On the other hand, a sense of appreciation for his breakaway vote would be hard to dismiss.

[still_one]

54. exactly. No matter what McCain's motivation, he voted no, and a bullet was dodged. Things could

very easily turned out differently. There was multiple pressure from both McConnell and Pence on the floor multiple times for McCain to vote yes, and he didn't

We lucked out, and it would be foolish to trivialize what happened

[still_one]

52. No one has said McCain is not our adversary. However, the fact is that healthcare was given a

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reprieve because of 3 republicans yesterday, and no matter what their motivation, we should not look a gift horse in the mouth

[Wounded Bear]

61. I think you mean "adversary"...

spellcheck won't catch that.

[still_one]

66. no it won't. Thanks Bear, I will change it now

[Thomas Hurt]

53. I wouldn't go as far as love...

but he did take a stand and did not make himself a hypocrite. Just like it was a decent and Presidential thing that Donnie did in awarding the Capitol police officers this week, or Sessions doing the right thing and recusing himself.

They are all still GoP and Sessions and Trump are of course fascist a holes but they can do something right on occasion.

Doesn't we have to stop paying attention to what else they are doing.

[kcr]

55. Really? How is it hard to understand that it's the result we love?

Why wouldn't we be relieved at this huge bullet dodged? I think it's pretty obvious that it's gratitude being expressed.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

56. He made a chump out of Trump.

[Zambero]

62. I suspect McCain had reserved a revenge moment

...for an appropriate time, and this was it. Trump's denigrating McCain and POW's in general for having been captured in a combat situation was probably not going to go unanswered. Not to imply that this was McCain's only motivation for casting the no vote, but the earlier insult could have been a factor as well.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

64. "Revenge is a dish best served cold."

[onenote]

58. I don't uinderstand why you think we "all love John McCain now"

I'm certainly not seeing that here. I'm seeing a lot of people expressing thankfulness and relief that he voted no. But that's about it.

I could say the same thing about Joe Manchin -- I don't love him, but I'm thankful he voted no (and I'm thankful that those DUers who have argued from time to time that Manchin should have been driven out of the party may take a moment to think about how stupid that suggestion was).

[ExciteBike66]

63. My point is that the reason he voted "no" is so that he

can later vote "yes" on something just as bad.

Many people this morning are crowing that McCain "killed" the republican plans, but that has all been claimed before, and yet those plans still exist and they are still pushing them. Furthermore, McCain himself said he would vote to repeal Obamacare, he is just waiting for a replacement to be ready first.

Maybe my use of the word "love" was an exaggeration, but there are plenty of threads on here thanking McCain profusely. It makes me sick that certain people at DU have been taken in by his latest vote.

[LAS14]

60. I don't love him, but I sure wish more Republicans were people you could work with like him. nt

[Demsrule86]

67. He is a friend...in that the stopped repeal where millions would have been thrown off

of healthcare, and God knows how many would have died.