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Fri Jul 28, 2017, 02:13 PM

Could McConnell have wanted AHCA to fail to pass?

I heard Lawrence O'Donnell raising this theory this morning at like 2 am. McConnell is a slippery, shrewd motherfucker and the Republican bill was polling at like 12%. Failing to pass it makes them and Trump look bad, but the alternative of their succeeding would have had a much worse impact on them in the midterms. Now, instead of owning people's dissatisfaction with health care, they can claim that they made a sincere effort to change it, sabotage the current system, and keep their ignorant base bitching about Obama.

Lawrence O'Donnell referred to it as a well known legislative tactic of moving a dead cat off of your porch. Republicans had promised to repeal and replace Obamacare, so they had to appear to make a sincere effort, but they were politically better off without the tar baby they would have taken on if their historically unpopular legislation had passed.

Trump clearly wanted AHCA to succeed to narcissistically claim a victory, but is it possible that McConnell realized that passing AHCA would have been catastrophic to them in the midterms?

I'm very happy that it did not pass and that millions won't lose coverage. I hope that somehow, Collins, Murkowski & McCain can be brought along to oppose the insane mega tax cut bill that is coming, but I'm skeptical about that.

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Response to MrPurple (Original post)

Fri Jul 28, 2017, 02:21 PM

1. I really doubt it. Mitch wants to look like a strong leader too much to allow this to fail.

 

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Response to MrPurple (Original post)

Fri Jul 28, 2017, 02:23 PM

2. Did you hear his

Whiney tirade after the vote. I thought he was going to bust out bawling. I don't think he's so talented he can fake it.

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Response to MrPurple (Original post)

Fri Jul 28, 2017, 02:23 PM

3. If he really wanted it to fail, he could have given up with the first couple of tries.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 28, 2017, 02:29 PM

5. Naah, i think there might be something to this theory...

They knew it was about as popular as a zit in a prom queens face, but they had to vote for it because that's all they've talked about for 7 years.

If it had passed they'd have had 16 - 32 million extremely pissed off voters at the next election. This way, they're all on record as having held the vote (s) to get rid of Obamacare thereby placating their rabid base, without having to pay the political consequence of actually throwing millions of voters off their healthcare plans...

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 28, 2017, 03:58 PM

11. Also, he wouldn't have held the vote open for so long

If McConnell wanted this to fail, he sure had a funny way of going about it. He could have left McCain in Arizona. He could have closed the vote on the floor as soon as all 100 votes were in. He could have done a skabillion other things and the bill would have quite surely died without all the drama of the 51-49 loss. It's never, ever good for the guy running the place to get a black-eye loss like this.

And now, he's made 100% sure that the Republicans who stood with him on the vote get to explain themselves to their constituents for the next 15 months. This was one of those marquee votes that people will be remembering for a long time.

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Response to MrPurple (Original post)

Fri Jul 28, 2017, 02:28 PM

4. absolutely not. that said, i agree that the 3 republicans who voted no saved the republican party.

i agree that it would have been a disaster for them for it to pass.

however, i think mcturtle wanted to show his "leadership" by getting the bill to pass.
then he would move on to the next problem (well, right after they cut taxes for the rich), which is that health care is now in shambles thanks to their stupid repeal law.
and he would "show leadership" by passing some other fix to that problem. what that fix is he doesn't know, doesn't care.

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Response to MrPurple (Original post)

Fri Jul 28, 2017, 02:46 PM

6. I respect Lawrence O'Donnell's insights and he was unambiguous that he thought this was what happene

McConnell is a reptilian exemplar of the worst of politics, but he's shrewd and he must have known that passing this bill would devastate them in the midterms. Politically, how this played out is the best the Republicans could salvage from a bad situation. Their base can feel that they made an all out effort to do away with Obama's socialism and they don't have to face the consequences of being responsible for the result.

As O'Donnell said, they've effectively moved the dead cat off their porch and I seriously doubt that they will sincerely try to fix some of the gaps in Obamacare. They will continue to sabotage it and claim in the midterms that people need to elect more Republicans to get it fixed.

Turtle's crocodile tears last night don't convince me of his sincerity. I do think he's skilled and manipulative enough to play some serious 3 dimensional chess.

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Response to MrPurple (Original post)

Fri Jul 28, 2017, 03:01 PM

7. Agree with poster that suggested listening to McConnell's speech post-vote. His voice broke several

times and he kept repeating himself. He was exhausted, beyond angry, and I think almost broke down.

He was visibly emotional - I've never seen him emotional in anyway

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Response to MrPurple (Original post)

Fri Jul 28, 2017, 03:05 PM

8. No.

He wanted this to pass to claim a victory and more importantly to him, destroy Obama's legacy and make him a "failure" that haunt's any future black President.

He's a sick SOB.

I wouldn't be surprised if he had a deal with Ryan where "they go to conference" and Ryan comes out and says they bill is fine the way it is and passes it. Screwing over any GOP Senators that were assured the bill would be made "right" for them. They could bitch to Mitch, but he would just blame Ryan...and what does it matter, he figures they are goners anyway. He just wanted to get what HE wanted while he could.

McCain probably had an in somewhere and caught wind of it. Decided to save his legacy and possibly save a few of his buddies. Plus screw over Dump and his oft political rival, Mitch.

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Response to MrPurple (Original post)

Fri Jul 28, 2017, 03:05 PM

9. He seemed afraid of not delivering something to Trump, to be honest.

O'Donnell could be right. But I think it's a case of coincidence. I do think McTurtle wanted something, any kind of Obamacare repeal to pass. He probably bought off Capito and was frustrated at his inability to do anything with McCain.

However, the bill's failure does save Republican seats -- that is a fact. The great irony of this whole repeal/replace drama was if it had actually passed, its passage would have effectively handed Congress back to the Democrats after the 2018 elections and we'd be looking at "Speaker Pelosi" (as Joe Scar put it).

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Response to MrPurple (Original post)

Fri Jul 28, 2017, 03:08 PM

10. No.

lol. He was desperate to pass this. Not many GOP Senators up in mid-terms anyway, and most are from bright red states.

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Response to MrPurple (Original post)

Fri Jul 28, 2017, 04:15 PM

12. If that's the case, then I'd suspect McCain ...

is part of the Sting.

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