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Snake Plissken

(4,103 posts)
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 06:39 AM Aug 2017

The Art of FAIL, I love my Nazi base edition

This is the issue that defines Trump. We can not allow the media to pivot away from Trump's support of Nazi White Supremacists and their appreciation that Trump went out of his way to refuse to make sure he did not disavow them.

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The Art of FAIL, I love my Nazi base edition (Original Post) Snake Plissken Aug 2017 OP
He has a Jewish daughter and Jewish grandchildren and he couldn't even denounce Solly Mack Aug 2017 #1
I know Solly.. Everyone is so annabanana Aug 2017 #3
It's a sad statement. :( Solly Mack Aug 2017 #4
I honestly think that there is no one but Trump annabanana Aug 2017 #5
He is gifted in that regard. Solly Mack Aug 2017 #6
It's pretty damn bald there, isn't it. . . . n/t annabanana Aug 2017 #2

Solly Mack

(90,763 posts)
1. He has a Jewish daughter and Jewish grandchildren and he couldn't even denounce
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 08:15 AM
Aug 2017

Last edited Mon Aug 14, 2017, 10:03 AM - Edit history (2)

Nazis.

Couldn't, by name, denounce Nazis.

Couldn't denounce racism at all, really. And all white supremacists hate Jewish people along with everyone else not them. So, really, even if he didn't care about anyone else in the world, this should have been a no-brainer for him - his own daughter is Jewish.

He should have denounced all the hate groups for the filth they are and everything they represent. But he couldn't do it. Not simply wouldn't do it - couldn't do it. And his daughter needs to ask herself why her own father couldn't denounce Nazis at the very least. I already know the answer.

He, instead, made the argument that being against hate is the same as being a hater. That protesting hate is the same as celebrating hate.

Which carries the nasty subtext of blaming the victims of hate.


I've been to several hate rallies as an observer and name taker (and I don't care if anyone has a problem with the name taking) and these hate-fest have included the Klan, doc marten/red suspender wearing skinheads (because haters love them some uniforms), Neo-Nazis, and assorted other white power groups - and they all hate Jewish people. They hate everyone - to include what they call race traitors - that isn't them...white, Christian, straight, and full of hate.

I marched for civil rights with Coretta Scott King in Forsyth County, Georgia. The haters were present and they threatened marchers along the parade route. I was almost killed by a group of men in a car. At the end of the march while crossing the street to get to my ride home, a car sped up and attempted to run me over. College students from Morris Brown saw what was happening and one of them ran out and grabbed me just in time. He risked his life to save mine. I heard the car, turned, everything went into slow motion, I saw the driver & passengers clearly, and the next second I was in the arms of my protector - seriously - just in time.

Heather Heyer's death has brought back all kinds of memories and feelings from that day. I wish she had had someone to grab her out of harm's way. I wish they all did.

Then sheriff, Wesley Walraven Jr., told me to my face to get out of town before dark because he couldn't control what could happen to us then. He said it with a smile.

I saw white adults threaten African-American children - one child little more than a toddler who ended up next to a sidewalk full of haters during a lull in the parade. I moved over, pushing her behind me, and back towards the crowd. The streets were narrow and packed with people, so it wasn't hard for a small child to get separated from a parent. The parents noticed almost the same time as I did - and we all formed a barrier. I think the haters were going to hit the child, as arms were raised and the most vile words were coming out of their mouths. They had been throwing stuff at us along the route. Nothing compared to the earlier march, but we still got hit with trash and other stuff once we were downtown proper. The march started a few miles away from this point.

I needed to go to the bathroom but it wasn't safe to leave the route because of all the haters.

There were FBI/GBI snipers along the route in the trees and on buildings but that didn't make me feel safe - it only highlighted the danger.

What happened in Charlottesville isn't new to America. I must admit to being disgusted when someone acts as if it is - and some do after each and every attack. (OMG! This isn't America! - yet it happens so often how can it not be America?)

Yes, we are currently living in a time when the haters feel powerful and emboldened - but America has been there before. We've even had presidents who ignored the pain and suffering caused by white supremacy. Think of all the years of slavery and Jim Crow. You don't get to put lynching and slavery into a historical perspective/ as something born from "that time" - people were enslaved, abused, murdered, raped - and this happened because white people thought themselves better than everyone else. So much better, that other humans were enslaved and considered property - not even human in the eyes of many white people. Calling slavery an economic system ( as if that explains it) dismisses the beliefs held by those who enslaved Africans and Natives. In order to enslave another human, you first have to think of them as less than you. The bigotry came first. The disdain came first. The contempt came first.

Think of all the police brutality and disparity in justice. Yes, we've had presidents that spoke out and acted against it as well. It's a mixed bag - but not a particularly shining example bag. I don't see it has a shining example anyway. I feel we as a country don't do everything we can to stop racism. We've had moments of greatness only to lapse back into routine. The go-to targets of hate need more from us than routine and life as usual. They need our constant support and willingness to fight for what is right.

Racism in America isn't new. Attacks by racists aren't new. I worry that the outrage at the latest deadly attack by racists will go silent again - as it so often does. A lull between storms. When we should be fighting against racism each and every day. Especially now with Trump if office - but, really, Trump or no Trump - the David Dukes of the world have been with us long before Trump's rise.

We have to remain vigilant against racism. Against the hate. No one wants to have to think about racism every day of their life or to be on alert for hate every day of their life - unless you're one of the targets of hate and then you have no choice. Think about that.

Each and every day of their lives they have to be on alert against hate. Against possible attacks on their person. Blindsided on a daily basis by the ignorance and apathy of others.

It is because some people are the go-to targets of hate that ALL of us need to think about it each and every day and act against it each and every day - with our words and our actions. To accept that the targets of hate know a lot more about what it feels like to be a target of hate than others do.

Stay angry. Stay determined. Don't let the quiet of tomorrow bring you a false sense of peace - the danger is always out there.








Solly Mack

(90,763 posts)
4. It's a sad statement. :(
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 08:30 AM
Aug 2017

I don't know if I'm expressing myself well enough on the matter though.

I see so many different layers to what is happening, to what happened, to the aftermath...and I feel helpless in explaining all the layers of denial I'm seeing. A denial which itself carries the whiff of racism... from some quarters. I've seen republicans distance themselves from certain aspects of the attacks while still not condemning racism as a whole. A racism they have used for years to gain voters.

Right now my heart is full. I'm angry. I'm sad.



annabanana

(52,791 posts)
5. I honestly think that there is no one but Trump
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 08:34 AM
Aug 2017

who could have done so much damage to the Body Politic so quickly...

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