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I can't believe what I witnessed today.
Does Donald Trump not know that Stonewall Jackson and Robert E. Lee were traitors? That they took up arms AGAINST the United States of America. That they received a pardon, or they would have been hung? Does he not realize that you can't be a "good person" in a march when you knowingly are protesting along side people with Nazi flags?
Was he not aware of the chants about Jews on Friday night in the torch light parade reminiscent of Nazi Germany in the 30's?
What the fuck? That's all I can say, What the fuck are we witnessing? WHAT THE FUCK?
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)They can smell the end of medicare and SS and welfare, they will get in bed with anybody to do that.
superpatriotman
(6,247 posts)Enablers and excuse-makers.
Johnny2X2X
(19,060 posts)They will denounce what he said, but do nothing.
lark
(23,097 posts)They will do anything to get their :
Tax amnesty for bringing back $ hidden overseas
All/most environmental and labor laws overturned
Tax rates cut to the bone for rich but eliminate all help for poor
Anything, even work with Russia to grab and keep power because they are traitors to the ideals of our country and to its' people.
Big_K
(237 posts)As long as they think they can get what they want, they'll work with Satan, Zombie Stalin, and Hitler his bad ol' self.
Only when they are afraid they'll lose their power will they make any change.
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)Good-bye beautiful, good-bye spacious skies, good-bye amber waves of grain...
There is no America!
BadgerMom
(2,771 posts)It doesn't mean they can make them disappear . The Resistance is real. The fight will be extensive, but none of those things will be surrendered without a real struggle. And this Congress and administration are nothing if not inept.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)so called progressives say things like "they are both the same"
Most of them are still saying that, I have no hope, glad you do.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Along with all the other stuff.
Without my SS and Medicare, I'm finished.
To say nothing about the rest of the human beings in this country.
calimary
(81,222 posts)"So THIS is okay with you?"
"You're OKAY with this?"
adigal
(7,581 posts)and we need to make sure they all VOTE!
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... has to label him a little stronger like defending Nazis or something
world wide wally
(21,742 posts)anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)Towlie
(5,324 posts)because being as low as whale shit isn't low enough for him.
RussBLib
(9,006 posts)I'm not so sure.
To me, it was typical Trump. Not that much "new" here. Just another gaggle of reporters unable to pin him down on anything.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)His demise is already determined. The investigations are just making sure his crime sticks. What will determine his end is if the system that judges and convicts him can make it stick. If it doesnt, then you can assuredly say the US is no more.
All Trump has left is to divide, tripple down and destroy what he can on his way down.
BigmanPigman
(51,589 posts)happen faster since, as you said, he will destroy everything he can and drag our country down with him.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)If the 'courts' can not take him down, we're finished.
A couple weeks ago I was feeling more confident, a little.'
Today, my confidence is at about 5%.
VOX
(22,976 posts)He was insanely wretched then, and he certainly is now as well. I'm not used to it (no one should ever get used to the psychotic rants on display), but it seems like more of the same. And it will continue to be more of the same until the Republicans FINALLY decide to do something about the whole mess. I wouldn't count on them making any moves, however.
MrPurple
(985 posts)Trump's rhetoric isn't in a vacuum now and the Nazis like the camera time. This feedback loop isn't going to stop.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)rurallib
(62,411 posts)or is it intramural?
Anyway not like a real war or anything. After all, no nukes!
Amishman
(5,557 posts)My Facebook is being blown up by my wife's conservative family members who are acting like their football team just won the super bowl. They loved how he fought back again the big bad liberal media.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)People seem to be unaware of just how deeply conditioned and brainwashed his followers are. If he says that both sides were equally responsible. Or that the "alt-left" was attacking with clubs and weapons just as hard or even more so, against the alt right they will simply believe it. Even though all the pictures show is the cowardly nazis are the only ones that donned helmets, shields, and clubs.
MrPurple
(985 posts)are being lost. And I don't think the Republican Congress people who rely on those independents are going to stand by Dump. Gallup had his lowest numbers yet yesterday - 34% approval, 61% disapproval. When he gets in the 20's like Nixon did, if we make it to Mueller issuing a report, it could get interesting.
spanone
(135,829 posts)LittleGirl
(8,285 posts)bora13
(860 posts)all along.
happens, but usually in fiction.
ananda
(28,858 posts)It just might not be that beacon of freedom and inclusion
that we were hoping for.
It will just be an America that never kept its promise, in
more ways than one.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I can't believe that there is anybody who actually supports this traitor.
cab67
(2,992 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)he thought the guys in protective gear & helmets were the alt-left, I think he said. Those were the white supremacists.
But I'm SURE he saw the Make America Great caps....and hence it's strong defense that there "were good people there, legally protesting" who were not supremacists. But those WERE the supremacists, that I saw.
bucolic_frolic
(43,146 posts)As an ecommerce vendor I pay strict attention to spending. We've had some
very slow weeks this summer, usually when these issues of national controversy
surrounding Trump bubble up into consciousness. The shopping mall I visited was
comatose. Merchants are running lean. The rest of the week will be very interesting
to see if paralysis strikes again.
Tsarist Russia fell from the stresses of World War I, but only when people of all walks
of life stopped supporting the economic and political system. Workers worried more about
their families and food than their jobs. Constabulary and law enforcement took sides with
the competing factions. Soldiers also weighed in, or refused commands.
We're sure not at that point thankfully, but people are scratching their heads, and keeping
a wary eye on developments. It's like reading tea leaves.
adigal
(7,581 posts)But you're right, I was at TJMaxx today, and it was empty.
LoveMyCali
(2,015 posts)In the liquor store I stopped at in the middle of the day. (not a joke, the place was jammed)
MontanaMama
(23,313 posts)employs 8 people including my spouse and me. It's been an incredibly slow August. I'm watching VERY carefully. The stock market is doing great but that isn't a result of 45. That's been in the works for a while. I agree that stores aren't busy. The manager at Target thanked me the other day for coming in and not buying stuff on Amazon. Weird.
krkaufman
(13,435 posts)Best Buy is closing their store in my hometown. Article in the paper indicated they're hurting, overbuilt and still haven't recovered from the 2008 downturn. (People who were hurting probably turned to cheaper online alternatives and haven't come back.)
MontanaMama
(23,313 posts)We manufacture a product that only one other company makes...and ours is better. This is scary though. It feels like 2008 to me. Beware September.
C Moon
(12,212 posts)He's just doing the typical GOP twisting of the facts to water down a horrible event.
Doug the Dem
(1,297 posts)he himself is a traitor to America, so naturally he sympathizes.
extvbroadcaster
(343 posts)You know everybody in Congress hates him. Besides his staff bootlickers, everybody else is horrified.
He has been impeachable since day one, but our Congress has failed. My fear is that he will do something on impulse that can't be reversed - like start a war with North Korea. He cares nothing
about all the people (Americans too) in South Korea. If he gets his feelings hurt by the sawed off
runt in North Korea, he could do anything. You have to wonder where the real men are. I always thought that if anybody in those GOP debates had just said - "you call me a name again and I am coming over there and kicking your ass" - he would have crawled back into his hole. Jeb should have kicked his ass on live TV. What did he really have to lose? He would have saved the country.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Nazis and KKKers don't know shit either..
broadcaster90210
(333 posts)nt
mn9driver
(4,425 posts)When Bush II was crowned. The only thing that made Obama possible was the epic failure of that presidency.
The dark money billionaires don't intend to let that happen again.
flying-skeleton
(696 posts)If he can brag about grabbing women's pu$$ies and still get elected ... then this is nothing !!
mountain grammy
(26,619 posts)looked at me today and said, it just might be time to leave America.
krkaufman
(13,435 posts)Does he not realize that you can't be a "good person" in a march when you knowingly are protesting along side people with Nazi flags?
Reminds me of a Mitchell & Webb skit where a Nazi begins having doubts.
Basically, if you find yourself marching along with people carrying Nazi flags, you might want to ask yourself, "are we the baddies?"
Beartracks
(12,809 posts)Nazis and fascists were considered a global threat by EVERYone. Now they're supposed to be some kind of right wing "option"?
I wonder how many of the white supremacists and Nazis at Charlottesville had fathers and grandfathers who fought the Nazis?
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yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)We will become stronger because oi it. Right now, this is not our America - have we become a banana republic?
krkaufman
(13,435 posts)Putin's gotta be loving this.
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)Progressive dog
(6,900 posts)support him and that includes a large majority of Republicans. They have a delusion of that wonderful America before the Civil War, when blacks were slaves, women knew to not speak unless spoken to, and white men were always in charge. They want to bring it back.
I'm not sure our democracy will survive much longer with that ignorant psychopath as President. It is evident that his congressional enablers are not going to break with him no matter what he does.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)after the Access Hollywood tape
His base will not be swayed - he will stick it out