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louis c

(8,652 posts)
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 05:34 PM Aug 2017

If this doesn't finish Trump, then there is no America

I can't believe what I witnessed today.

Does Donald Trump not know that Stonewall Jackson and Robert E. Lee were traitors? That they took up arms AGAINST the United States of America. That they received a pardon, or they would have been hung? Does he not realize that you can't be a "good person" in a march when you knowingly are protesting along side people with Nazi flags?

Was he not aware of the chants about Jews on Friday night in the torch light parade reminiscent of Nazi Germany in the 30's?

What the fuck? That's all I can say, What the fuck are we witnessing? WHAT THE FUCK?

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If this doesn't finish Trump, then there is no America (Original Post) louis c Aug 2017 OP
Not a chance, GOP doesnt care. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #1
Full of cucks and cowards superpatriotman Aug 2017 #4
Yup Johnny2X2X Aug 2017 #11
So sad and totally infuriating at the same time. lark Aug 2017 #15
It's all about Power Big_K Aug 2017 #23
+1!!! This!!! Dustlawyer Aug 2017 #21
They may be able to smell the end of those things. BadgerMom Aug 2017 #28
I used to think good would win out, then I watched millions of Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #30
In my owe little selfish world this really scares me. pangaia Aug 2017 #35
What needs to be underscored, and forced on them to answer is calimary Aug 2017 #40
November 2018 - we need to start working NOW!!!!! Get everyone you know registered adigal Aug 2017 #48
+1000 kacekwl Aug 2017 #50
It wont, they already did the polling and it wont affect his bottom base that much and also the M$M uponit7771 Aug 2017 #2
And yet these assholes are the first to defend Israel when they want to bomb someome world wide wally Aug 2017 #3
You should read what the neo-Nazis were doing to the synagogue in Charlottesville. Very ugly indeed. anneboleyn Aug 2017 #55
Trump is digging himself into the ocean floor... Towlie Aug 2017 #5
MSNBC hosts seem certain that 45's performance today will lead to staff resignations RussBLib Aug 2017 #6
This won't determine much of anything.. defacto7 Aug 2017 #7
That will do it because he will have no choice or excuses. I just wish it could BigmanPigman Aug 2017 #25
On the money. pangaia Aug 2017 #36
Didn't seem much different than the tRump on display during the campaign and the last 7 months... VOX Aug 2017 #8
Hopefully, the difference is that America just saw hundreds of torch bearing Nazis kill somebody MrPurple Aug 2017 #16
Exactly! Since day one on the campaign trail this has been Trump lunasun Aug 2017 #52
Trump must have thought the Civil War was like an intermural basketball game rurallib Aug 2017 #9
His base is eating it up Amishman Aug 2017 #10
exactly LiberalLovinLug Aug 2017 #13
His base loves it, but the independents that allowed him to take a voter suppressed election MrPurple Aug 2017 #19
he's as dangerous to our country as anything we've seen. spanone Aug 2017 #12
+1 eom LittleGirl Aug 2017 #17
it's like he was asking for it bora13 Aug 2017 #14
Well, there IS an America and there will be an America. ananda Aug 2017 #18
I have never been so disgusted in my entire life. smirkymonkey Aug 2017 #20
I am personally embarrassed to be an American these days. cab67 Aug 2017 #29
It's possible he saw selected videos gathered for him. He thought the guys in war gear.... Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #22
The country is on the verge of meltdown bucolic_frolic Aug 2017 #24
Hey, the stock market is doing swell!!!!!! adigal Aug 2017 #31
But business was booming LoveMyCali Aug 2017 #37
I have a small business that MontanaMama Aug 2017 #34
Best Buy closing krkaufman Aug 2017 #44
Yikes. MontanaMama Aug 2017 #49
Of course nothing's going to happen. C Moon Aug 2017 #26
In Trump's Defense, Doug the Dem Aug 2017 #27
His core supporters won't change extvbroadcaster Aug 2017 #32
Surely you jest... pangaia Aug 2017 #33
There is no America broadcaster90210 Aug 2017 #38
America disappeared in December 2000 mn9driver Aug 2017 #39
If he can brag about grabbing women's pu$$ies and still get elected .... flying-skeleton Aug 2017 #41
Even my husband who always says I'm silly for wanting to leave mountain grammy Aug 2017 #42
Reminds me of a skit krkaufman Aug 2017 #43
Do Republicans even remember who we fought in WWII's European theater??? Beartracks Aug 2017 #45
Wondering if we will survive this if yuiyoshida Aug 2017 #46
Putin krkaufman Aug 2017 #47
To Trump, Stonewall Jackson and Robert E. Lee were heroes. SummerSnow Aug 2017 #51
Trump's base will continue to Progressive dog Aug 2017 #53
how many times have we said this - after the mocking of the disabled reporter, DrDan Aug 2017 #54

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
1. Not a chance, GOP doesnt care.
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 05:35 PM
Aug 2017

They can smell the end of medicare and SS and welfare, they will get in bed with anybody to do that.

lark

(23,097 posts)
15. So sad and totally infuriating at the same time.
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 06:38 PM
Aug 2017

They will do anything to get their :

Tax amnesty for bringing back $ hidden overseas
All/most environmental and labor laws overturned
Tax rates cut to the bone for rich but eliminate all help for poor

Anything, even work with Russia to grab and keep power because they are traitors to the ideals of our country and to its' people.

Big_K

(237 posts)
23. It's all about Power
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 06:53 PM
Aug 2017

As long as they think they can get what they want, they'll work with Satan, Zombie Stalin, and Hitler his bad ol' self.

Only when they are afraid they'll lose their power will they make any change.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
21. +1!!! This!!!
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 06:50 PM
Aug 2017

Good-bye beautiful, good-bye spacious skies, good-bye amber waves of grain...

There is no America!

BadgerMom

(2,771 posts)
28. They may be able to smell the end of those things.
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 07:26 PM
Aug 2017

It doesn't mean they can make them disappear . The Resistance is real. The fight will be extensive, but none of those things will be surrendered without a real struggle. And this Congress and administration are nothing if not inept.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
30. I used to think good would win out, then I watched millions of
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 07:27 PM
Aug 2017

so called progressives say things like "they are both the same"

Most of them are still saying that, I have no hope, glad you do.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
35. In my owe little selfish world this really scares me.
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 07:48 PM
Aug 2017

Along with all the other stuff.

Without my SS and Medicare, I'm finished.
To say nothing about the rest of the human beings in this country.

calimary

(81,222 posts)
40. What needs to be underscored, and forced on them to answer is
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 08:20 PM
Aug 2017

"So THIS is okay with you?"

"You're OKAY with this?"

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
48. November 2018 - we need to start working NOW!!!!! Get everyone you know registered
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 10:04 PM
Aug 2017

and we need to make sure they all VOTE!

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
2. It wont, they already did the polling and it wont affect his bottom base that much and also the M$M
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 05:35 PM
Aug 2017

... has to label him a little stronger like defending Nazis or something

Towlie

(5,324 posts)
5. Trump is digging himself into the ocean floor...
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 05:59 PM
Aug 2017

because being as low as whale shit isn't low enough for him.

RussBLib

(9,006 posts)
6. MSNBC hosts seem certain that 45's performance today will lead to staff resignations
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 06:01 PM
Aug 2017

I'm not so sure.

To me, it was typical Trump. Not that much "new" here. Just another gaggle of reporters unable to pin him down on anything.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
7. This won't determine much of anything..
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 06:05 PM
Aug 2017

His demise is already determined. The investigations are just making sure his crime sticks. What will determine his end is if the system that judges and convicts him can make it stick. If it doesn’t, then you can assuredly say the US is no more.

All Trump has left is to divide, tripple down and destroy what he can on his way down.

BigmanPigman

(51,589 posts)
25. That will do it because he will have no choice or excuses. I just wish it could
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 07:11 PM
Aug 2017

happen faster since, as you said, he will destroy everything he can and drag our country down with him.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
36. On the money.
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 07:50 PM
Aug 2017

If the 'courts' can not take him down, we're finished.


A couple weeks ago I was feeling more confident, a little.'

Today, my confidence is at about 5%.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
8. Didn't seem much different than the tRump on display during the campaign and the last 7 months...
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 06:12 PM
Aug 2017

He was insanely wretched then, and he certainly is now as well. I'm not used to it (no one should ever get used to the psychotic rants on display), but it seems like more of the same. And it will continue to be more of the same until the Republicans FINALLY decide to do something about the whole mess. I wouldn't count on them making any moves, however.

MrPurple

(985 posts)
16. Hopefully, the difference is that America just saw hundreds of torch bearing Nazis kill somebody
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 06:42 PM
Aug 2017

Trump's rhetoric isn't in a vacuum now and the Nazis like the camera time. This feedback loop isn't going to stop.

rurallib

(62,411 posts)
9. Trump must have thought the Civil War was like an intermural basketball game
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 06:19 PM
Aug 2017

or is it intramural?

Anyway not like a real war or anything. After all, no nukes!

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
10. His base is eating it up
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 06:24 PM
Aug 2017

My Facebook is being blown up by my wife's conservative family members who are acting like their football team just won the super bowl. They loved how he fought back again the big bad liberal media.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
13. exactly
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 06:31 PM
Aug 2017

People seem to be unaware of just how deeply conditioned and brainwashed his followers are. If he says that both sides were equally responsible. Or that the "alt-left" was attacking with clubs and weapons just as hard or even more so, against the alt right they will simply believe it. Even though all the pictures show is the cowardly nazis are the only ones that donned helmets, shields, and clubs.

MrPurple

(985 posts)
19. His base loves it, but the independents that allowed him to take a voter suppressed election
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 06:47 PM
Aug 2017

are being lost. And I don't think the Republican Congress people who rely on those independents are going to stand by Dump. Gallup had his lowest numbers yet yesterday - 34% approval, 61% disapproval. When he gets in the 20's like Nixon did, if we make it to Mueller issuing a report, it could get interesting.

ananda

(28,858 posts)
18. Well, there IS an America and there will be an America.
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 06:46 PM
Aug 2017

It just might not be that beacon of freedom and inclusion
that we were hoping for.

It will just be an America that never kept its promise, in
more ways than one.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
20. I have never been so disgusted in my entire life.
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 06:48 PM
Aug 2017

I can't believe that there is anybody who actually supports this traitor.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
22. It's possible he saw selected videos gathered for him. He thought the guys in war gear....
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 06:51 PM
Aug 2017

he thought the guys in protective gear & helmets were the alt-left, I think he said. Those were the white supremacists.

But I'm SURE he saw the Make America Great caps....and hence it's strong defense that there "were good people there, legally protesting" who were not supremacists. But those WERE the supremacists, that I saw.

bucolic_frolic

(43,146 posts)
24. The country is on the verge of meltdown
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 07:00 PM
Aug 2017

As an ecommerce vendor I pay strict attention to spending. We've had some
very slow weeks this summer, usually when these issues of national controversy
surrounding Trump bubble up into consciousness. The shopping mall I visited was
comatose. Merchants are running lean. The rest of the week will be very interesting
to see if paralysis strikes again.

Tsarist Russia fell from the stresses of World War I, but only when people of all walks
of life stopped supporting the economic and political system. Workers worried more about
their families and food than their jobs. Constabulary and law enforcement took sides with
the competing factions. Soldiers also weighed in, or refused commands.

We're sure not at that point thankfully, but people are scratching their heads, and keeping
a wary eye on developments. It's like reading tea leaves.

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
31. Hey, the stock market is doing swell!!!!!!
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 07:31 PM
Aug 2017

But you're right, I was at TJMaxx today, and it was empty.

LoveMyCali

(2,015 posts)
37. But business was booming
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 07:56 PM
Aug 2017

In the liquor store I stopped at in the middle of the day. (not a joke, the place was jammed)

MontanaMama

(23,313 posts)
34. I have a small business that
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 07:46 PM
Aug 2017

employs 8 people including my spouse and me. It's been an incredibly slow August. I'm watching VERY carefully. The stock market is doing great but that isn't a result of 45. That's been in the works for a while. I agree that stores aren't busy. The manager at Target thanked me the other day for coming in and not buying stuff on Amazon. Weird.

krkaufman

(13,435 posts)
44. Best Buy closing
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 08:34 PM
Aug 2017

Best Buy is closing their store in my hometown. Article in the paper indicated they're hurting, overbuilt and still haven't recovered from the 2008 downturn. (People who were hurting probably turned to cheaper online alternatives and haven't come back.)

MontanaMama

(23,313 posts)
49. Yikes.
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 10:26 PM
Aug 2017

We manufacture a product that only one other company makes...and ours is better. This is scary though. It feels like 2008 to me. Beware September.

C Moon

(12,212 posts)
26. Of course nothing's going to happen.
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 07:14 PM
Aug 2017

He's just doing the typical GOP twisting of the facts to water down a horrible event.

extvbroadcaster

(343 posts)
32. His core supporters won't change
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 07:37 PM
Aug 2017

You know everybody in Congress hates him. Besides his staff bootlickers, everybody else is horrified.
He has been impeachable since day one, but our Congress has failed. My fear is that he will do something on impulse that can't be reversed - like start a war with North Korea. He cares nothing
about all the people (Americans too) in South Korea. If he gets his feelings hurt by the sawed off
runt in North Korea, he could do anything. You have to wonder where the real men are. I always thought that if anybody in those GOP debates had just said - "you call me a name again and I am coming over there and kicking your ass" - he would have crawled back into his hole. Jeb should have kicked his ass on live TV. What did he really have to lose? He would have saved the country.

mn9driver

(4,425 posts)
39. America disappeared in December 2000
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 08:06 PM
Aug 2017

When Bush II was crowned. The only thing that made Obama possible was the epic failure of that presidency.

The dark money billionaires don't intend to let that happen again.

flying-skeleton

(696 posts)
41. If he can brag about grabbing women's pu$$ies and still get elected ....
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 08:21 PM
Aug 2017

If he can brag about grabbing women's pu$$ies and still get elected ... then this is nothing !!

mountain grammy

(26,619 posts)
42. Even my husband who always says I'm silly for wanting to leave
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 08:28 PM
Aug 2017

looked at me today and said, it just might be time to leave America.

krkaufman

(13,435 posts)
43. Reminds me of a skit
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 08:32 PM
Aug 2017
Does he not realize that you can't be a "good person" in a march when you knowingly are protesting along side people with Nazi flags?

Reminds me of a Mitchell & Webb skit where a Nazi begins having doubts.

Basically, if you find yourself marching along with people carrying Nazi flags, you might want to ask yourself, "are we the baddies?"



Beartracks

(12,809 posts)
45. Do Republicans even remember who we fought in WWII's European theater???
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 08:36 PM
Aug 2017

Nazis and fascists were considered a global threat by EVERYone. Now they're supposed to be some kind of right wing "option"?

I wonder how many of the white supremacists and Nazis at Charlottesville had fathers and grandfathers who fought the Nazis?

============

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
46. Wondering if we will survive this if
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 08:41 PM
Aug 2017

We will become stronger because oi it. Right now, this is not our America - have we become a banana republic?

Progressive dog

(6,900 posts)
53. Trump's base will continue to
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 08:33 AM
Aug 2017

support him and that includes a large majority of Republicans. They have a delusion of that wonderful America before the Civil War, when blacks were slaves, women knew to not speak unless spoken to, and white men were always in charge. They want to bring it back.
I'm not sure our democracy will survive much longer with that ignorant psychopath as President. It is evident that his congressional enablers are not going to break with him no matter what he does.


DrDan

(20,411 posts)
54. how many times have we said this - after the mocking of the disabled reporter,
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 08:53 AM
Aug 2017

after the Access Hollywood tape

His base will not be swayed - he will stick it out

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