People need to stop thinking Trump's approval rating is going to sink lower...

[Locut0s]

It's not going to. And in order to defeat him it's essential that people understand this fact. If he's not removed from office by force then an election is the only thing that will remove him, and complacency on the left that a Nazi surely couldn't win AGAIN, could very well hand him another term! Think I'm talking crazy talk? I was just doing a quick little bit of internet research to see if I could find out what kind of support Hitler had before and during WW2. Unsurprisingly there are no hard numbers as opinion polling wasn't as common, or rigorous in those days, and once the Nazis rose to power any numbers would have course been cooked if there were any, which there were not. However it seems that much speculation has been done by historians and a good educated guess is that support for Hitler's likely never fell much below 25 percent or so, even during the worst of WW2. And indeed was likely in the 30s most of the time at other times, perhaps rising into the 40s. One stunning figure I came across was that a poll conducted AFTER the war still showed around 30% of Germans supported the ideas of National Socialism.

The people who support Trump at this point know who they are supporting. These aren't innocent wide eyed naive voters who are going to be shocked into dropping support.

It's essentially that people stop being "surprised" by his continual, roughly 1/3, approval rating. That's not going to change.

[LeftInTX]

1. Hitler was not elected

He lost an election, but remained a thorn in Hindenberg's side. So Hindenberg appointed him chancellor. A few months later, Hindenberg died. Hilter took over.

However, I agree with you on everything else. I don't see Trump as Hitler and probably most Americans do not. He's a complete buffoon and totally inappropriate for the presidency. He's extremely immature. I think he is fucking up the country, but he's not going to create gas chambers. He will erode some freedoms, but most people won't care.

Whether we win or not will depend on our candidates and their campaigns. It also depends on winning elections at all levels.

[BzaDem]

2. The Nazis became the largest party in parliament. Even then, a united left could have stopped them,

but the communist party decided that the Social Democrats were the main enemy, and refused to join with them to form a government.

So while Hitler was not personally elected President, both electoral victories and a fractured left were necessary conditions in his ascension to power.

[syringis]

5. Perhaps, perhaps not

It depends on how Hindenburg would have set it.

However, it is largely admitted that the chances to stop Hitler to take the power, were great enough to worth the try.

Sorry, I'm not enough fluent in English to say it in a more elaborate way

See my reply #4

[syringis]

4. It was 2 different kind of elections

The presidential in 1932 wich Hitler lost and the federal elections in 1933.

Presidential Election was completely different as well as the presidential function. It was the last direct presidential elections (Weimar Republic Constitution). The function was a powerful one (appointing and dismissing The Governement, power to dissolve parliament, Commander-in-chief of the army,...)
since 1949, the German President is chosen indirectly thru a Federal Convention. It is mostly a honorific function.

The Federal Elections were not a general suffrage but a proportional representation. Hitler's party was democratically elected but did not as well as was expected. Hitler had to deal with the German People's Party (DNVP) to keep a majority. Hindenburg dismissed Schleicher and Named Hitler.

According to the historians, Hitler's may be had not reached the power if Hindenburg had conceeded the Parliament dissolution Schleicher was asking for. Perhaps, perhaps not.

[icymist]

3. Fuck his approval ratting!

The man is an enemy (domestic) of this country.

[Books_Tea_Alone]

6. You are so correct

Remember that after all of this 1 of every 3 people still support this evil scum. How many will not publicly say they support him but would still pull the lever in the privacy of the voting booth? Everyone I know who supports T. rump here in my affluent NJ suburb (including family, neighbors,etc) still think he's doing a great job and blame the media, Denocrats, etc. We must gotv every election

[syringis]

7. I only trust the polls...

...until a certain point which is not really high

A real objective poll does not exists.

Mostly, in a way or another, reports are more or less biased depending of political tendancy of the company.

Other facts intervene too : the way questions are built, people answers (how much does it reflect the real opinion? ), and on...

The Reports can even tell that his approval rating flirts with minus infinite, this is not what will kick him off.

Frankly, even the collusion with Russians is not enough. collusion on itself is not a matter to sue (unless for antitrust laws)

For what ever else Muller can find, It is not sure that will affect his function. He might be sued personally (I'm putting short, no so simple too), as well as something can be found that affect his presidency.

It is reall hard to kick off a president wathever way chosen.

[Cosmocat]

8. I've been posting this all along

33% of this country are walking dead zombies.

They are lost. The battle if finding a way to break through with the "middle" 1/3 that aren't acolytes but have been programmed to believe in the evil liberal boogyman to the point that they just throw there hands in the air because "they are both the same."

[gordianot]

9. Correct popularity and approval will not rid this menace.

Not violence in the street certainly not armed protest with firearms. By now the entire planet has been put on notice Trump is excusing Nazis and a majority of the American people consider him a traitor. Defend yourself at home where it is allowed.

[GulfCoast66]

10. If the left sticks together and votes we win

Unfortunately we have a sizable minority who are currently formulating purity test such as single payer who may well prevent that from happening.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

11. We can harden disapproval. But approval sinking & not continually 1/3. Nixon got to 24%.

Disapproval can be turned into "strong disapproval".

His ratings continue to sink.

There was a recent post of the Gallup results. Very sad for tRump (Republicon).

[Bernardo de La Paz]

12. I predict that tRump will end up challenging the depths of Nixon's 24%. . . . . nt