Here's a Photo of "The Other Side" Attacking Nazis

[MineralMan]

My father could be sitting in the pilot's seat of one of those B-17s in the photo...

[DinahMoeHum]

1. . . .or my uncle in the navigator's spot.

n/t

[MineralMan]

2. Yup. We must remember for them and fight against

the same things that they fought against.

[raven mad]

3. My dad (Army Air Corps), my dad-in-law (Navy, Dunkirk)

My mom (War Dept.). My mom-in-law (WAC).

Every one of them are rolling in their graves.

[Persondem]

4. And my father was on the ground. 8th infantry division. K & R nt

[LakeArenal]

5. Lots and lots of dads. nt

RIP Lou.

[MineralMan]

7. Yes, and granddads, too.

[Javaman]

8. Aunts too.

My Aunt was an Army Nurse in Europe.

[niyad]

6. and this one

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029465579

[Mr.Bill]

9. Without a permit, too. n/t

[niyad]

10. the absolute HUBRIS!!

[wryter2000]

13. My favorite

I can't imagine the bravery it took to land on that beach.

[Aristus]

11. US Army Airborne Infantry had "Band Of Brothers". The USMC had "The Pacific".

Finally, the B-17 crews will have their own story told in "The Mighty Eighth."

http://hbowatch.com/the-mighty-eighth-is-gearing-up/

[wryter2000]

12. I love all these WWII pictures

Keep them coming.

[Orrex]

14. But! But! But! But nonviolence is the only way to win!

But! But!

[MineralMan]

16. Not against Nazi megalomaniacs.

As we learned, major violence is needed against those.

[Orrex]

20. I agree, and I've been making that point repeatedly, here and elsewhere

The question is not "what do you do when non-violence works?"

The question is "what do you do when non-violence does not work?"

And the answer is not "non-violence always works," because it sure as hell doesn't.

k/r

[MineralMan]

24. Violence is sometimes necessary against those who use

violence as their method. Sadly, that will probably always be true.

If an individual is trying to kill you, deadly force is justified in every case. If an individual is trying to kill someone who has done nothing to threaten that individual, a bystander may be justified in using deadly force, as well. Wars are simply an extension of those things, or should only happen as such an extension.

If someone breaks down my door to do me harm, I will do my best to prevent that harm. That is why I own firearms and am prepared to use them to defend myself and my family. If someone attacks my neighbor with deadly force, I may also come to my neighbor's defense.

Violence in response to violence is sometimes necessary. That's unfortunate, but it is also true.

[Orrex]

29. I agree with everything you wrote

I abhor the initiation of violence.

I fully support a violent response when needed.

[MineralMan]

31. Exactly. One should never initiate violent action.

That is simply wrong. Responding to violence initiated by others with violence is simply appropriate and may save your life or the life of another.

[WePurrsevere]

30. If there is a non-violent way, that should be taken but sometimes taking a stand...

Against bullies and those who are or are willing to commit atrocities in the name of their cause must be taken.

I'm normally a 'harm none' type by nature and detest senseless acts of violence but as a last resort, when push comes to shove and there's a need to defend and protect our loved ones, our home and our country from fascists or others willing and looking to kill or harm others sometimes violence is sadly needed. Realistically a daisy & a prayer offered in peace won't stand up well to bullets, bombs, gassing, etc.

This clip from the movie Skokie, based on an event that actually happened, goes along with why sometimes taking a stand against hate means standing with a baseball bat, gun, etc. (I can't remember whether I ran across the clip here or on Twitter):

Although I hope with all of my heart that it's not needed, allowing what happened in Nazi Germany to happen here without a fight is completely unacceptable.

[Stonepounder]

15. My dad was a Minister and refused to carry a weapon.

He signed up as a 1A-O (non-combatant). He was a medic in the Army. He never talked about the war, but I gathered that he saw combat, was shot at (even with that big red cross on his uniform), and served honorably.

[MineralMan]

17. Good for your father!

Many of those CO medics were amazing heroes.

[FailureToCommunicate]

26. Same with my dad. He wasn't allowed to go over seas, but served the wounded at

various rehab hospitals...service he repeated in the next two wars, Korea and Vietnam.

War sucks, but Nazi's suck more.

[MrPurple]

18. Necessary actions, but a lot of the people killed by bombs weren't Nazis

War is hell.

[MineralMan]

19. All wars suck. Some wars, however, are necessary.

People, including non-combatants die in all wars. That is deplorable, of course. Believe me, I'm not a pro-war person in any way.

WWII, however, was a necessary war, I'm afraid.

[Stainless]

21. My Dad Attacked Nazi's from the Ball Turret position in a B-24.

He completed 35 missions with the 15th Air Force out of Italy.

[MineralMan]

25. Thanks to your father and all like him!

[Expecting Rain]

22. My Dad, who fought fascists in the Pacific as a Marine fighter pilot

He would be so ashamed to know we elected a president like Trump.

Love you Dad!

[FailureToCommunicate]

27. Great photo!

[stopwastingmymoney]

36. My Grandpa was there with him, tail gunner is what I've been told

What a wonderful photo of your father, you must feel lucky to have it.

I notice his camera, do you know who took this picture?

[Expecting Rain]

37. Yes, the photo is a self-portrait (believe it or not).

I still have the camera he was holding (an Exacta). I'm not sure which camera he used to take the photo, but I do know it was a self-portrait.

My father was a gifted photographer and became an acclaimed documentary filmmaker after the war working on The Making of the President 1960 (for which he won an Emmy), the "Camelot" film tribute to JFK that aired at the 1964 Democratic convention, and many other fine documentaries.

My dad nearly died in the war. His plane, an F4U Corsair, when down at sea during the biggest typhoon of the war. The seamen of the destroyer USS Landsdown risked their lives taking rolls far beyond the rated capacity of their ship to rescue him just before dark. My father broke a number of vertebrae in his back and spent nearly a year in a body cast in US military hospitals.

He was a very progressive guy. He'd be horrified that Trump is our president.

[L. Coyote]

23. K & R

Link to tweet

[FailureToCommunicate]

28. Perfect.

[uponit7771]

32. +1

[moonscape]

33. My dad was in a hidden cellar (along with 8 others) hiding from them n/t

[Warpy]

34. And mine could have upgraded/repaired the navigation systems

although he was a civilian engineer attached to the RAF until late 1944. He got his draft notice in Italy during an air raid.

[spanone]

35. K&R...

[steve2470]

38. Mine was on the ground also

Artillery, 3rd Armored Divison, Army. Battle of the Bulge and others. Great pic.