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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo what do you think the chances are the DOJ will investigate the Charlottesville PD..
and why they, from what I have been reading, stood down and refused to patrol the Synagogue, let armed and armored fascists show up to riot and murder?
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So what do you think the chances are the DOJ will investigate the Charlottesville PD.. (Original Post)
Thomas Hurt
Aug 2017
OP
The police chief was black so I'd say the chance is pretty high. They'd love to make an example of
SweetieD
Aug 2017
#5
SHRED
(28,136 posts)1. Zero
Sessions is a not-so closeted white supremacist.
Response to SHRED (Reply #1)
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safeinOhio
(34,125 posts)2. I may be wrong, but
isn't their boss, the mayor a decent guy?
YCHDT
(962 posts)4. +1, the pd said they were overpowered
SweetieD
(1,671 posts)5. The police chief was black so I'd say the chance is pretty high. They'd love to make an example of
him.
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)6. From what I understand city leadership and the police chief are all fairly progressive people
I'm still trying to make sense of what actions they did or didn't take and who gave what orders there.
B2G
(9,766 posts)7. Didn't the Mayor tell them to stand down? nt
muntrv
(14,505 posts)8. But...but he prosecuted the Michael Donald case so he's not racist!
B2G
(9,766 posts)9. And it's Charlottesville, not Charlotte. nt
Thomas Hurt
(13,925 posts)11. Thanks, missed that typo.
mia
(8,420 posts)10. The alt-right protesters were better armed than the Charlottesville PD.
The first and second amendments clashed in Charlottesville: The guns won.
As it turned out, the nightmare that unfolded on Saturday in this small college town involved a great deal more than an ideological clash and demanded far more police protection than was available. Dozens of white nationalists showed up toting semi-automatic weapons, as did some counter-protesters, making it all but impossible for police to intervene when violence erupted. In short order, peaceful protesters were forced to hide as armed rioters attacked one another with clubs, smoke bombs, and pepper spray.
Complaints abound that law enforcement officers looked on from the sidelines as the brutality quickly escalated into a crisis. The tragedy culminated in the death of 32-year-old Heather Heyer when a white supremacist rammed his car into a group of peaceful protesters.
Seen in isolation, Conrads order was grounded in solid First Amendment doctrine: Charlottesville could not, he ruled, relocate the racist demonstrators based on the content of [their] speech. This is textbook law, but one is left to wonder whether it takes into account armed white supremacists invading a city with promises of confrontation. Conrads decision seems to have been issued in a vacuum, one in which Second Amendment open-carry rights either swallowed First Amendment doctrine altogether or were simply wished away, for after-the-fact analysis. The judge failed to answer the central question: When demonstrators plan to carry guns and cause fights, does the government have a compelling interest in regulating their expressive conduct more carefully than itd be able to otherwise? This is not any one judges fault. It is a failure of our First Amendment jurisprudence to reckon with our Second Amendment reality....
As it turned out, the nightmare that unfolded on Saturday in this small college town involved a great deal more than an ideological clash and demanded far more police protection than was available. Dozens of white nationalists showed up toting semi-automatic weapons, as did some counter-protesters, making it all but impossible for police to intervene when violence erupted. In short order, peaceful protesters were forced to hide as armed rioters attacked one another with clubs, smoke bombs, and pepper spray.
Complaints abound that law enforcement officers looked on from the sidelines as the brutality quickly escalated into a crisis. The tragedy culminated in the death of 32-year-old Heather Heyer when a white supremacist rammed his car into a group of peaceful protesters.
Seen in isolation, Conrads order was grounded in solid First Amendment doctrine: Charlottesville could not, he ruled, relocate the racist demonstrators based on the content of [their] speech. This is textbook law, but one is left to wonder whether it takes into account armed white supremacists invading a city with promises of confrontation. Conrads decision seems to have been issued in a vacuum, one in which Second Amendment open-carry rights either swallowed First Amendment doctrine altogether or were simply wished away, for after-the-fact analysis. The judge failed to answer the central question: When demonstrators plan to carry guns and cause fights, does the government have a compelling interest in regulating their expressive conduct more carefully than itd be able to otherwise? This is not any one judges fault. It is a failure of our First Amendment jurisprudence to reckon with our Second Amendment reality....
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2017/08/the_first_and_second_amendments_clashed_in_charlottesville_the_guns_won.html
speaktruthtopower
(800 posts)12. Good question
obamanut2012
(27,819 posts)13. Zero -- the Cville PD cannot handle a situation like this
The VSP and NG do need to be investigated, and I think the Cville PD and the UVA PD need to have the Feds come train them, for real.