Ohio city becomes the latest to remove Robert E Lee statue

[KelleyKramer]

Here is what I don't understand, Ohio was in the Union and fought against Lee. Why do these northern states (or cities) have statues and memorials honoring soldiers that their citizens were at war with?

Link to tweet

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[shanny]

1. Kinda proves the point

that those statues were never about "heritage".

[SunSeeker]

3. Exactly. nt

[workinclasszero]

14. Bingo

[Yupster]

2. That is a good question

I have no idea why Ohio would have a monument to Lee?

[Nevernose]

4. Was that a serious question?

No insult intended, but the worlf's gone crazy and I don't know what's happening anymore.

But, easy answer: racism. It was put up to remind the local negros what the local power structure thought of them, and a reminder of their "place." Worst, it was erected as a warning to PoC or their leftist white allies who might have any crazy notions about making the world better for the marginalized.

Why is it in Ohio? Because those were the inhabitants they either wanted to implicitly, yet constantly, terrorize one segment of the populace. They other segment needs "encouragement" to make themselves feel better, lest said white supremacists realize one day that it's not trans women and black men and Democratic Socialists aren't the ones holding them down.

They are there, at least in part, as yet another smokescreen to disguise the fact that a few people and groups (with no help from secret societies) have rigged the game of capitalism.

Because if those greedy, cowardly Nazi fucks ever realized that it wasn't Muslims ot Minorities or Leftists keeping them down, it's the people running shit, the people rigging our current capitalist game... If the people were ever TRULY to unite, well, the Walton family would be hiding in their panic rooms.

(Reminder for lurkers: equal rights from one group doesn't take anything away from the other group.)

[asiliveandbreathe]

5. Lots of history surrounding Ohio and the Civil War - seems the daughters of the

Confederate and others thought a good idea to preserve Ohios confederate support..with lots of monuments and plaques.... just not a good idea any longer.. -

[secondwind]

6. I think they were erected under the "reconciliation " between the North and the South.

It was a gesture, to try to heal the wounds.

[KelleyKramer]

7. Reconciliation? Are you serious? After the war the Union raped the South for everything it was worth

They took over the elections in the south and pretty much all elected offices. And northern businessmen raped all the natural resources for every penny they get get out of them

This rape and pillage was so prevalent all over the south there was even a word for it.... Carpetbagger

[Motownman78]

8. Yup, and African American's were finally elected

to public office.

[KelleyKramer]

9. Yes they were, but I think you missed my point

That statue honoring Robert E Lee is not in Ohio because of any reconciliation.

I tried to be clear the the north had no interest in reconciliation what so ever.

Imho that statue is in Ohio for one reason and one reason only ... racism

[Princess Turandot]

10. According to the cincinnati.com page linked in the tweet, it's a plaque, not an equestrian statue...

The Hill must have grabbed the nearest photo they had on hand.

This is it:



It was donated in 1928 by those delightful neoconfederate gals, the United Daughters of the Confederacy. They appear to have been quite good at finding officials and organizations around the country who would accept these pious 'remembrances' of the 'Lost Cause'.

There are 3 other con-mons in Ohio, but they are all in cemeteries.

BTW they say they're moving it because it violates a traffic law.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics-extra/2017/08/16/px-should-robert-e-lee-monument-greater-cincinnati-come-down/573158001/

[KelleyKramer]

11. Ok, thanks for that ...

Not that it makes it ok, but that actually makes a little more sense out of it.

The post had a picture of a statue and the article title used the word 'statue' so that's what I thought it was.

I'm still a little new to twitter, and the links there, the tiny url or whatever its called... call me an old timer if you want, but if I do not know what website a link goes to I will not click it

That one seemed pretty clear it was to The Hill. But even that one was loaded with spam, there were three different auto play videos trying to load, and there was one big pop up that got past my pop up blocker. I scan read the article and closed that garbage off as fast as possible

Thanks for your post

[DonViejo]

12. Cincinnati is just barely in Ohio. In many ways, it more closely aligns with KY than OH.

There were always a lot of southern sympathizers there.

[hatrack]

13. Ohio was Copperhead Central during the war, which probably has something to do with it

Copperheads or Peace Democrats were people who opposed the North's attempts to reunite the nation during the American Civil War.

During the American Civil War, a majority of Ohioans supported the war effort and the Republican Party, although there was a sizable minority who opposed the conflict. Many of the opponents of the war were members of the "Peace" section of the Democratic Party. They and other opponents of the war often came to be called "Copperheads." A number of white Ohioans, especially those living along the Ohio River, had migrated to the state from slaveholding states. While opponents of the war could not legally own slaves in Ohio, many of them did have family members residing in the South who did own African American slaves. These people often sympathized with slaveholders, agreeing with many white Southerners that the federal government did not have the power to limit slavery's existence. Some Peace Democrats also feared that President Abraham Lincoln intended to free the slaves. Some Ohioans who objected to slavery's end feared that African Americans would flood the North looking for jobs if they were given their freedom. These white Ohioans did not want to compete with African Americans for employment. Additional Ohioans had economic ties to the South and feared a decline in revenue and business opportunity with the war raging. Additionally, some Ohioans objected to violations of civil liberties, including suspension of habeas corpus and denial of freedom of speech, during the conflict.

Peace Democrats preferred political compromise rather than warfare. Several Ohioans participated in a peace convention during early 1861. The convention was held in Washington, DC, and the delegates hoped to convince President Lincoln to either agree to the Confederacy's demands to get it to rejoin the Union or to simply let the Southern states leave the United States. Lincoln ignored the convention's attempt to end the conflict peacefully. Politically, most people who participated in the peace convention affiliated themselves with the Peace Democrats. Their opponents nicknamed them Copperheads, describing the opponents of the war as poisonous snakes waiting to strike a blow in favor of the South. The first reference to "Copperheads" in Ohio occurred in 1861. Accepting the Copperhead name, many opponents of the war began to use the portrait side of copper coins as badges and tokens for identification and promotion of their cause.

EDIT

http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/w/Copperheads

[workinclasszero]

15. That's true

[struggle4progress]

16. I think The Hill may have garbled the story: following the links leads to this picture

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/346908-ohio-city-to-remove-robert-e-lee-monument
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http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics-extra/2017/08/16/px-should-robert-e-lee-monument-greater-cincinnati-come-down/573158001/

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The Dixie Highway was a United States automobile highway, first planned in 1914 to connect the US Midwest with the Southern United States. It was part of the National Auto Trail system, and grew out of an earlier Miami to Montreal highway. The final result is better understood as a network of connected paved roads, rather than one single highway. It was constructed and expanded from 1915 to 1927.

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