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highplainsdem

(48,978 posts)
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 10:05 AM Aug 2017

Donald Trump has plaque at his golf course commemorating Civil War battle that never happened

From Golf Digest, back on May 2 -- and they were reprinting an article from 2015:

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/details-details-donald-trump-has-plaque-at-his-golf-course-commemorating-civil-war-battle-that-never-happened

We all play golf courses that feature various memorials to people and events: benches, flagpoles, that sort of thing. At my home club, for instance, there's a stone marker honoring the memory of a longtime starter at the club from decades earlier.

Call me naive, but I've always operated under the assumption that this was at one point an actual person.

It's worth reconsidering only because of a New York Times report from Tuesday that says Donald Trump's Northern Virginia Trump National Golf Club features a plaque between the 14th and 15th holes honoring a Civil War battle at that precise spot. The inscription, signed by Trump, reads:

“Many great American soldiers, both of the North and South, died at this spot. The casualties were so great that the water would turn red and thus became known as ‘The River of Blood.’ It is my great honor to have preserved this important section of the Potomac River!”

Nice sentiment, small problem: there apparently was no such battle.

The Times checked with various historians in the area who had trouble tying the site of Trump's course to any such event.

-snip-

Trump, who is a leading Republican candidate for President, questioned how historians could dispute the battle. "How would they know," he told the Times. "Were they there?"
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Donald Trump has plaque at his golf course commemorating Civil War battle that never happened (Original Post) highplainsdem Aug 2017 OP
I remember that story underpants Aug 2017 #1
With a trash compactor for a brain! n/t Kleveland Aug 2017 #2
Yeah, but Hillary's emails. Just ask the people on the left who virulently attacked her. Blue_true Aug 2017 #14
Uninformed idiot too underpants Aug 2017 #15
Is this one of the golf courses where he hung phony Time Magazine covers of himself? mnhtnbb Aug 2017 #3
"The River of Blood" is generally a reference to Antietam, thucythucy Aug 2017 #4
No . . . MousePlayingDaffodil Aug 2017 #8
There are accounts of the Antietam thucythucy Aug 2017 #11
How could Trump support his claim? Was he there? TheBlackAdder Aug 2017 #5
Maybe all those beautiful statues that are being taken down ProudLib72 Aug 2017 #6
That's brilliant actually. Put all the statues on his golf courses leftstreet Aug 2017 #7
I certainly would be a statement ProudLib72 Aug 2017 #9
Was it called the Bowling Green Battle ? The right in America just makes up their own realities uponit7771 Aug 2017 #10
Donnie has brain plaque Blue Owl Aug 2017 #12
Sounds about right for Donnie - fake, wrong,and sad. Initech Aug 2017 #13

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
14. Yeah, but Hillary's emails. Just ask the people on the left who virulently attacked her.
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 03:06 PM
Aug 2017

Now, we have this heaping pile of human garbage as President.

mnhtnbb

(31,388 posts)
3. Is this one of the golf courses where he hung phony Time Magazine covers of himself?
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 10:41 AM
Aug 2017

Certainly would make sense.

thucythucy

(8,052 posts)
4. "The River of Blood" is generally a reference to Antietam,
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 10:42 AM
Aug 2017

which took place in Maryland, not Virginia.

What a malicious joke we have as president.

8. No . . .
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 11:02 AM
Aug 2017

The "... of blood" reference with respect to the Antietam battle is "field of blood."

The closest Civil War engagement to the Trump golf course in Virginia was the Battle of Ball's Bluff, about 11 or so miles upriver. The Trump course, meanwhile, is located very near to Rowser's Ford, which was a (Potomac) river crossing used during the Civil War, most notably by Confederate General J.E.B. Stuart right before what became the Gettysburg campaign. But no battle was fought near there.

It is possible that, somewhere along the line, Trump was informed about the Ball's Bluff engagement -- fought early in the war, in what was something of a debacle for the Union army, in which Union troops attempting to retreat back across the river were shot down, and some bodies did, purportedly, float down river -- and in his warped mind, he conflated that event with the location of the course.

thucythucy

(8,052 posts)
11. There are accounts of the Antietam
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 11:07 AM
Aug 2017

turning "blood red" as it ran under what came to be known as "Burnside's Bridge"--the site of multiple charges across a narrow stone bridge that were slaughtered by traitors perched on the opposite bank.

"River of Blood" gets used at a number of civil war battle sites, Chickamauga for instance, but I've seen it most often used in reference to Antietam.

TheBlackAdder

(28,195 posts)
5. How could Trump support his claim? Was he there?
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 10:52 AM
Aug 2017
Trump, who is a leading Republican candidate for President, questioned how historians could dispute the battle. "How would they know," he told the Times. "Were they there?

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
9. I certainly would be a statement
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 11:02 AM
Aug 2017

What I want to know in all of this is how his wealthy patrons view his racism. Are they simply ignoring it? With hundreds of Confederate statues lying around, there would be no way to ignore it.

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