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(51,589 posts)gtar100
(4,192 posts)Well stated reasons to not fall for the "both sides" bullshit. And remedies for those, umm... conflicted.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)He hits it out of the park. I give him some points for that.
bdamomma
(63,845 posts)Arnold
Pisces
(5,599 posts)rurallib
(62,411 posts)Response to QED (Original post)
Pacifist Patriot This message was self-deleted by its author.
That appears to be a twitter video.
But how can I share that in Facebook?
Anybody know if there is a YouTube version?
DinahMoeHum
(21,784 posts)BamaRefugee
(3,483 posts)Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)BamaRefugee
(3,483 posts)QED
(2,747 posts)Aviation Pro
(12,164 posts)Bravo Zulu, my brother tanker.
KG
(28,751 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)cstanleytech
(26,289 posts)than the fear, uncertainty and doubt they keep cuddling up to over people because they have a different religion or skin color.
progressoid
(49,988 posts)MindPilot
(12,693 posts)Arnold was a decent governor and he is fundamentally a good man.
mwooldri
(10,303 posts)Maybe he will realize that the Republicans (at least the present party leadership) are beginning to have more in common with National Socialism than people would like
MindPilot
(12,693 posts)that statements will be made by big names publicly leaving the party. (that's my fantasy and I'm sticking to it!)
diva77
(7,640 posts)He tried to sell off public lands for private profit; he closed a large number of public parks due to his cruel budget cuts
He tried to defeat hard-won conditions for unions -- California nurses, teachers, etc.
He is infamous for groping women
Arnold has said many things sympathetic to Nazis; also, his father was an SS Nazi officer.
...just because Arnold spoke out against his fellow groper buddy doesn't forgive or excuse his abhorrent behavior
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)No one has control over who their parents are.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Most likely because he was influenced by his father. While I'm sure he has repudiated that sentiment by now it's still worth remembering.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)And even then he spoke in the past tense -- of having admired him for coming from nothing.
So I'm going to cut him some slack.
diva77
(7,640 posts)association of Schwarzenegger with Kurt Waldheim.
I just wanted to put some balance into the thread praising Schwarzenegger. He was a TERRIBLE governor and he has a lot of character issues. Yes, good for him for speaking out against Dump; but it ain't enough...
Arnold's Nazi Problem
Why won't he repudiate Kurt Waldheim?
By Timothy Noah
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/chatterbox/2003/08/arnolds_nazi_problem.html
SNIP
Here's a question Jay Leno forgot to ask Arnold Schwarzenegger when he announced his candidacy for governor of California on last night's Tonight Show: "Will you renounce your support for Kurt Waldheim?"
A little refresher course may be in order. Kurt Waldheim, a widely esteemed former secretary general of the United Nations, was running for president of Austria in March 1986 when it came to light that he had participated in Nazi atrocities during World War II. Waldheim had always maintained that he had served in the Wehrmacht only briefly and that after being wounded early in the war, he had returned to Vienna to attend law school. In fact, Waldheim had resumed military service after recuperating from his injury and had been an intelligence officer in Germany's Army Group E when it committed mass murder in the Kozara region of western Bosnia. (Waldheim's name appears on the Wehrmacht's "honor list" of those responsible for the atrocity.) In 1944, Waldheim had reviewed and approved a packet of anti-Semitic propaganda leaflets to be dropped behind Russian lines, one of which ended, "enough of the Jewish war, kill the Jews, come over." After the war, Waldheim was wanted for war crimes by the War Crimes Commission of the United Nations, the very organization he would later head. None of these revelations prevented Waldheim from winning the Austrian election, but after he became president, the U.S. Justice Department put Waldheim on its watch list denying entry to "any foreign national who assisted or otherwise participated in activities amounting to persecution during World War II." The international community largely shunned Waldheim, and he didn't run for re-election.
SNIP
Schwarzenegger's name remained on Waldheim's campaign posters. After Waldheim was elected, Schwarzenegger paid him a visit and was photographed with him. According to the New York Post's "Page Six" gossip column, Schwarzenegger was seen sitting beside Waldheim as recently as 1998, when the two attended the second inauguration of Waldheim's successor as president, Thomas Klestil.
SNIP
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)No one can control who their parent is.
diva77
(7,640 posts)to understand who he is and where he's coming from.
pnwmom
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who, after the war, were ashamed of themselves and had to live with that.
http://people.com/politics/arnold-schwarzenegger-neo-nazis-your-heroes-are-resting-in-hell/
Your heroes are losers. You are supporting a lost cause. And believe me, I knew the original Nazis, because you see, I was born in Austria in 1947, shortly after the Second World War, the former governor of California stated.
And growing up, I was surrounded by broken men, men who came home from a war filled with shrapnels and guilt, men who were misled into a losing ideology. And I can tell you: that these ghosts you idolize spent the rest of their lives living in shame and right now, theyre resting in hell, Schwarzenegger said.
knightmaar
(748 posts)It's actually worse than a tumour.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Arnold surprises me.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)He is TRULY a self-made man. He is what the Orange Terror and his minions wish they could be.
He truly understands what it's like for immigrants to come to this country seeking a better life.
I've never agreed with his party alignment, but I've never doubted for a minute that he loves this country and the ideal of success through hard work.
bora13
(860 posts)t-rump was right.
there are two sides to the violence.
one side is the people who learned the violence.
the other is the people who taught the violence.
together they make the dark side that killed heather and
worse if allowed.
Leith
(7,809 posts)Too bad most of the rest of the rethugs won't notice or care.
Initech
(100,068 posts)dalton99a
(81,468 posts)Hekate
(90,667 posts)...I applaud him wholeheartedly. May his words of wisdom spread far and wide.
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)montana_hazeleyes
(3,424 posts)Thank you Arnold. I hope this is seen far and wide.
onetexan
(13,037 posts)The terminator would have made a better POTUS than Agent Orange. For the first time i actually have some respect for Arnold.
lambchopp59
(2,809 posts)Certainly not the worst insult I've had to withstand. Kudos, Gov S for this.
KewlKat
(5,624 posts)camelfan
(130 posts)I might not like your politics, but I have respect for your stance on hatred and your willingness to call it what it is.
Hieronymus
(6,039 posts)but he gave a powerful message to Donny Johnny.
Liberal In Texas
(13,548 posts)Not bad for a pretty lousy governor.
tblue37
(65,340 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)Schwarzenegger was beautifully direct and very clear.
Skittles
(153,153 posts)but this is a damn good message and coming from him, it really has to sting Trump - yes INDEED