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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy are MAGA and TOCB never questioned?
Make America Great Again
Take Our Country Back.
Whenever I hear some right winger throw these out there, they are never questioned.
I'm still waiting for just one reporter to ask:
What do you mean by Make America Great Again?
Why is it not great now?
Do you believe that it was great at one time but stopped being so?
When and how did that happen?
How do you define great?
What do you mean by Take Our Country Back?
Take it back from whom?
Give it to whom?
Should a Democratic Republic be owned by any one particular group?
If your group did take it back, what would it then look like?
I'm still waiting.
I THINK I know what they really mean by this.
I think they want to take us back to a time like the Father Knows Best 1950's..
An extremely patriarchal conservative Christian corporate loving top down strict law and order based society that does not question authority and rules with a firm hand.
But, I can only think that because of my own biases and experiences.
I want to HEAR AND SEE these people say it out loud.
If they can't explain what MAGA or TOCB means to them, why do they use these terms and why has our mainstream media allowed them to do so without any questioning?
Rhiannon12866
(205,311 posts)The media has really let us down by "normalizing" this ridiculous behavior and not asking the obvious questions.
TNNurse
(6,926 posts)who would support someone who says this country is not great??? Sure there are problems but it is (or was until he got in office) a great country. I could not understand why people stood behind a candidate whose very slogan INSULTED THE COUNTRY.
But I am not a member of the media or a public person so I had no impact.
Rhiannon12866
(205,311 posts)So I couldn't understand why people weren't more outraged. But then everything he's done should have sparked outrage. And the media should have made the connection for those who were too dim to realize it.
Goonch
(3,607 posts)"To which century?"
handmade34
(22,756 posts)truly and seriously examining these questions is necessary to making sense
...would like to write a book on this one
"can't to get to where you want to go, if you don't know exactly where you're going"
The Wizard
(12,545 posts)talk about it.
ScubaSteve
(83 posts)They want to go back to segregation of whites and blacks. They see separation as the only way to regain their superiority. They cry that they are now being discriminated against but too stupid to understand whites have never been a minority and therefore are the ones doing all the discriminating.
When southerners talk about the real America and real Americans, they are talking about the confederacy that lost the war. The war they fought to keep a race of people chained up in sheds to do all their plantation work while they fucked their women. They feel all blacks are nothing but n*****s who are genetically inferior to whites. God made them black to mark them as inferior.
They are all about white supremacy, white nationalism, KKK, European Kindred, and of course Nazis. They want Jim Crow laws back so blacks by law must have separate; housing, bathrooms, drinking fountains, shopping malls, everything.
They just dont have the balls to say it
DDySiegs
(253 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,060 posts)Spot on. MAGA and Take our Country back are absolutely race based phrases and 90% of Republicans know it. It's time the rest of the country starts calling them out for what they mean.
cyclonefence
(4,483 posts)I want to hear someone ask Trump to explain exactly what he means by "fake news"--what are some news stories about him that are not true?
I want someone to ask why they keep referring to ACA as a disaster when so many Americans are benefiting from having health insurance for the first time in their lives.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)to stave off the planned "Treasury Giveaway to the 1%"? I'm already seeing different commercials touting "Tax Reform for the Small-Business Owners," complete with a phone number to call Congress.
Do the Democrats have a response ready to challenge the Republican misleading framing?
BumRushDaShow
(128,909 posts)including der Drumpenfurher, are only first or second generation off-the-boaters.
There was a huge influx of Europeans who came here post WWI, where none of them were here for the Civil War or earlier. They were allowed to fantasize that they were that small group of Europeans who were here earlier, and thus identify with them is as kindred "white (European-descended)" vs when their ancestors actually arrived here on Ellis Island. Many of the rest were isolated in homogeneous communities that generationally reinforced certain distorted societal beliefs.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)when anyone else criticizes the US in any way. Remember the "apology tour", so-called simply because Obama wasn't being a total macho asshole?
Yet, Trump continually trashes the US, but they think they're the ones who love America. Seems pretty clear they only love the parts where it ought to be spelled Amerikka.
Funtatlaguy
(10,870 posts)Such hypocrisy.
Different Drummer
(7,614 posts)MAGA=Remove all racial and/or religious minorities from the country.
TOCB=See above.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)A couple links:
"When Was America Greatest?" - from the New York Times with a helpful bar graph showing the distribution of answers over the years
"When was America great? When did America stop being great? 'The Daily Show' asks Republicans" - article at Inquisitr about interviews at the Republican National Convention
Initech
(100,068 posts)It's the most mindless phrase that they have, and it's one of those things they say because they know it annoys us.