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Is the pardon of Sherriff Joe a nail in the coffin to the Trump Presidency? (Original Post) nkpolitics1212 Aug 2017 OP
. struggle4progress Aug 2017 #1
It would take a stake through his heart. AJT Aug 2017 #2
in vampire movies..... when this happens, the vampire dies in a puff of dust. trueblue2007 Aug 2017 #33
We live in a world where nothing matters anymore. musicblind Aug 2017 #3
I hate it, but I think that's where we are now. It doesn't seem to matter what he does, Luciferous Aug 2017 #7
I'm feeling the same at the moment. Feels like that evil fuck can get away with anything. Kentonio Aug 2017 #37
Trump merely burnishing his own bigot credentials. Sneederbunk Aug 2017 #4
Good Lord alcibiades_mystery Aug 2017 #5
Trump applying his "many sides" approach to Arpaio pardon oasis Aug 2017 #6
Supporting an elected sherrif... johnsonsnap Aug 2017 #8
I thought mocking a disabled reporter was a nail in his candidacy leftstreet Aug 2017 #9
I thought "Grab 'em by the pussy" was the end of his candidacy LastLiberal in PalmSprings Aug 2017 #22
I hope he sees some pushback but I doubt it'll amount to anything NightWatcher Aug 2017 #10
No & no none of the above lunasun Aug 2017 #11
no Hamlette Aug 2017 #12
He will have to be caught on tape committing some heinous crime Elwood P Dowd Aug 2017 #13
Or maybe just participating in "golden showers." haveahart Aug 2017 #18
Meh, his dumbfuck supporters will just claim its a fake. Kentonio Aug 2017 #39
We've been putting nails in his coffin for years EffieBlack Aug 2017 #14
Not even if the orange one stood in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shot Arpaio Brother Buzz Aug 2017 #15
Probably has bigger implications Major Nikon Aug 2017 #16
Yes, and alot of them in swing districts depend upon radius777 Aug 2017 #24
Changing demographics will ultimately destroy them Major Nikon Aug 2017 #46
GreT post. Nt raccoon Aug 2017 #36
sure hope so gopiscrap Aug 2017 #17
Uhm, he has already done things that are worse so why would his Doreen Aug 2017 #19
No, he's Teflon Don LeftInTX Aug 2017 #20
Yes. This is also a sign of how isolated and impotent Trump is as a president. Doodley Aug 2017 #21
Every day that passes is a day that the GOP engages in mass cowardice. Eyeball_Kid Aug 2017 #28
why would people fallout87 Aug 2017 #23
Once AZ's persecuted demographic rises up, the Republicxans are finished in the state. L. Coyote Aug 2017 #25
Seems to be a real cilla4progress Aug 2017 #26
Does the GOP want a dictator? Eyeball_Kid Aug 2017 #27
The farther rightward they go, yes, they'd be ecstatic over a dictator. VOX Aug 2017 #42
Maybe, maybe not. Remember Barry Goldwater? He was an Arizona Senator still_one Aug 2017 #29
Is the pardon of Sheriff Joe a nail in the coffin to the Trump Presidency? LenaBaby61 Aug 2017 #30
I wish - but no. Not at all. Kablooie Aug 2017 #31
It may be a sign that Trump is resigning Not Ruth Aug 2017 #32
No yuiyoshida Aug 2017 #34
We can hope Vogon_Glory Aug 2017 #35
why would it be - joe is a hero of the right DrDan Aug 2017 #38
Probably not. GoCubsGo Aug 2017 #40
It's a nail in the coffin of the US. WhiteTara Aug 2017 #41
It seems like nothing is a nail in the coffin for Trump since Republicans are ok with him destroying OliverQ Aug 2017 #43
No. But it might help us in Arizona. dawg Aug 2017 #44
No. Dulcinea Aug 2017 #45

musicblind

(4,484 posts)
3. We live in a world where nothing matters anymore.
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 11:01 PM
Aug 2017

Everything is relative, even facts have alternatives, and 35% of the country would support this man if he shot someone on 5th Avenue...

Luciferous

(6,086 posts)
7. I hate it, but I think that's where we are now. It doesn't seem to matter what he does,
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 11:10 PM
Aug 2017

they just let him continue to do awful ridiculous things with no consequences whatsoever.

Elwood P Dowd

(11,443 posts)
13. He will have to be caught on tape committing some heinous crime
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 11:31 PM
Aug 2017

and even that might not be enough. His coffin, like his heart, is made of stone and will probably take a truckload of nails.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
39. Meh, his dumbfuck supporters will just claim its a fake.
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 07:34 AM
Aug 2017

They'd probably use it as a way to try and claim the whole Russia investigation is a frame job. I actually hope it doesn't come out, and that Mueller just nails the asshole with a solid case built on straightforward evidence.

They can release the video afterwards, just to piss on his political grave.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
14. We've been putting nails in his coffin for years
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 11:34 PM
Aug 2017

And he keeps climbing back out.

I have no confidence this will do him any real damage. It's going to take much more to reach the tipping point, I'm sorry to say. Nothing's going to change unless and until we take back one of the chambers of Congress.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
16. Probably has bigger implications
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 11:38 PM
Aug 2017

Many smarter Republicans were adamantly against a Trump presiduncy because they knew he was going to crush the credibility of the party and do irreparable damage. It certainly seems as if he is doing exactly that. The silver lining is that when Trump finally swirls the bowl for the last time, he's going to take a lot of other turds with him.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
24. Yes, and alot of them in swing districts depend upon
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 01:52 AM
Aug 2017

attracting at least some latino support.

As long as Dems can make Trump and Arpaio the "running mate" of every GOP candidate, it will likely greatly hurt them with (even conservative) latinos.

Establishment Repubs know that they can't survive forever on the angry white vote, and that Trump's white nationalism is dooming the party with PoC for a generation.

Despite the 2016 loss (due mainly to Comey/Russians), the Obama coalition is still the ascendant coalition in American politics.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
46. Changing demographics will ultimately destroy them
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 09:48 AM
Aug 2017

They are simply insuring their own destruction because instead of becoming more progressive and going after new emerging demographics, they are relying on a strategy of chasing a larger share of a shrinking demographic.

Doodley

(9,151 posts)
21. Yes. This is also a sign of how isolated and impotent Trump is as a president.
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 12:44 AM
Aug 2017

He can't work with Republican lawmakers and he knows many do not respect him. He can't get legislation passed, so he has to fall back on actions that he can do on his own as a show of power.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
25. Once AZ's persecuted demographic rises up, the Republicxans are finished in the state.
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 02:00 AM
Aug 2017

There are a lot of roadblocks to overcome, such as access to voting.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,434 posts)
27. Does the GOP want a dictator?
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 02:10 AM
Aug 2017

They're behaving as if they do.

They (and we) observe tyrannical, fascist behavior patterns in Trumpy. They know that Trumpy will flout the Rule of Law whenever he chooses. They know that Trumpy will bully and berate them and anyone else who gets in his way. We all know this. Some of us predicted 18 months ago that Trumpy would be doing exactly what he's doing now: go after the GOP when they didn't do exactly as he wanted. We knew that Trumpy would seek vengeance on ANYONE who crosses him because he's a despotic tyrant who is attempting to be Dictator of the US, and he's coming very close.

And the GOP? They're either scared shitless or they're invested in converting the US into a fascist dictatorship. Either way, they're destroying themselves as a political party and as a legislative body. And they're doing nothing about any of it.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
42. The farther rightward they go, yes, they'd be ecstatic over a dictator.
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 08:50 AM
Aug 2017

Hell, 45's yahoo-base think he's literally God's gift to them. They're in love with their "tough-talking," rude and crude figurehead. For all their non-stop chatter about freedom, patriotism, liberty, etc., they've flipped those ideals on their head, Orwell-style.

There are a large number of nutcases on the right who would like to harvest some liberal souls, if you know what I mean.

still_one

(92,455 posts)
29. Maybe, maybe not. Remember Barry Goldwater? He was an Arizona Senator
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 02:14 AM
Aug 2017

who voted against the Civil Rights Act.

John McCain voted against setting aside a day to honor MLK.

We all saw the disgusting way Brewer behaved toward President Obama, so I am not so sure





LenaBaby61

(6,979 posts)
30. Is the pardon of Sheriff Joe a nail in the coffin to the Trump Presidency?
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 02:22 AM
Aug 2017

No OP, unfortunately it's not even NEAR the nail in his treasonous, racist/KKK-loving, mentally-deteriorating, putin-fueled, GOP voter-suppressed/gerrymandering, Mueller-investigated "presidency."

Kablooie

(18,644 posts)
31. I wish - but no. Not at all.
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 02:26 AM
Aug 2017

Trumps idiot base calls all the shots for the Republican party.
Only if his base was horrified would it make any difference.

All Republicans now allow Trump's base to decide everything.
They depend on the lowest, most ignorant common denominator, rabble to decide everything for their party.
Voters with an education and a considered opinion can be discounted as useless.
Only the screaming, pitchfork wielding, imbeciles are to be listened to if you are a Republican.

Vogon_Glory

(9,133 posts)
35. We can hope
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 06:54 AM
Aug 2017

We can hope. I don't see Thump pardoning Arpaio as hurting support among his white support.

I don't know about the effects among Arizona's Latino voters. Do they turn out and vote like their California counterparts? Or do they sit on their backsides and let crazed Tea Party Republicans choose their state's elected officials like their Texas counterparts?

GoCubsGo

(32,098 posts)
40. Probably not.
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 08:02 AM
Aug 2017

It could be A nail in his coffin, but not the final one. That one is likely one of many that is, or will be sitting in a box on Robert Mueller's desk. This pardon is small potatoes compared to what things we already know about.

As for hurting republican candidates in Arizona, that's hard to say. IIRC, Arizona has gone "blue" at times, such as for Bill Clinton in 1996. And, they had a Democratic governor in Janet Napolitano as recently as 2008. But, then you look at the batcrap-crazy state legislature... That state is a bit politically schizophrenic, so who the hell knows how this will all affect things. The fact that protesters far outnumbered Trump's audience in Phoenix does provide some hope that they're swinging back toward sanity.

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
43. It seems like nothing is a nail in the coffin for Trump since Republicans are ok with him destroying
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 08:56 AM
Aug 2017

the country.

dawg

(10,624 posts)
44. No. But it might help us in Arizona.
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 09:21 AM
Aug 2017

Arizona is, perhaps, our best chance at flipping a red state blue. The craven nature of Brewer, Arpaio, and the like, is not representative of the moderate nature of the state's electorate.

Dulcinea

(6,671 posts)
45. No.
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 09:21 AM
Aug 2017

As long as McConnell & Ryan's wet dream of dismantling the social safety net is a possibility, the GOP will prop him up. They were put in office to deliver huge tax cuts for the wealthy, & their campaign donors expect a good ROI.

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