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Tue Sep 5, 2017, 02:18 PM

 

OK, I have been extremely mean to Lindsey Graham over the years

But he stepped up today, gave a joint conference with Dick Durbin, and called on the orange shitstain to do the right thing regarding DACA.

Now, Twitler won't listen, but Graham at least stood up and took a stand. More than I can say for almost every other Repuke.

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Reply OK, I have been extremely mean to Lindsey Graham over the years (Original post)
rufus dog Sep 2017 OP
riversedge Sep 2017 #1
Bleacher Creature Sep 2017 #8
rufus dog Sep 2017 #19
Bleacher Creature Sep 2017 #21
rufus dog Sep 2017 #24
The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2017 #2
exboyfil Sep 2017 #9
The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2017 #22
still_one Sep 2017 #3
msongs Sep 2017 #4
jrthin Sep 2017 #27
madamesilverspurs Sep 2017 #5
Adrahil Sep 2017 #6
sharp_stick Sep 2017 #7
gratuitous Sep 2017 #11
rurallib Sep 2017 #20
NurseJackie Sep 2017 #10
TDale313 Sep 2017 #12
FreeStateDemocrat Sep 2017 #13
Iggo Sep 2017 #14
RhodeIslandOne Sep 2017 #15
Trust Buster Sep 2017 #16
BigmanPigman Sep 2017 #18
Leith Sep 2017 #17
MANative Sep 2017 #23
maxrandb Sep 2017 #25
Skittles Sep 2017 #28
Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #26
LuckyCharms Sep 2017 #29
liberalmuse Sep 2017 #30
awesomerwb1 Sep 2017 #31
Skittles Sep 2017 #32
raccoon Sep 2017 #33
CakeGrrl Sep 2017 #34
Barack_America Sep 2017 #35

Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Tue Sep 5, 2017, 02:20 PM

1. Lindsey also said that Trump should get involved-be a leader.

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Response to riversedge (Reply #1)

Tue Sep 5, 2017, 02:29 PM

8. That's like saying I should grow another foot and become an NBA center. NT

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Response to Bleacher Creature (Reply #8)

Tue Sep 5, 2017, 02:58 PM

19. how would you move with three feet?

 

Seems like you would be tripping a lot.

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Response to rufus dog (Reply #19)

Tue Sep 5, 2017, 03:00 PM

21. Nicely done.

I needed a good laugh today. Thanks!

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Response to Bleacher Creature (Reply #21)

Tue Sep 5, 2017, 03:12 PM

24. We are all just trying to survive

 

Hell I am defending Lindsey Graham.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Tue Sep 5, 2017, 02:22 PM

2. Me, too. I don't agree that Obama overstepped when creating DACA in the first place.

The Emancipation Proclamation was an executive order, and nobody but the fringe right-wingers who are still fighting the Civil War are claiming Lincoln exceeded his authority; I don't see how DACA is different. Otherwise I agree with everything Graham said.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #2)

Tue Sep 5, 2017, 02:30 PM

9. I don't think the analogy holds

Remember the EP was only applied to the slave states because they were in open rebellion. In a sense he was using his powers as Commander in Chief to prosecute the war. He was taking an essential support of the rebellion's war fighting ability away from them.

Obama's DACA does not meet that hurdle.

Actually the Copperheads argued against the EP and a whole lot more.

Copperheadism found particular support in areas near the Ohio River, and in larger cities. There they spread their message through newspapers like the Chicago Times. The Times was published by a man named Wilbur F. Storey, and it often employed inflammatory language criticizing the war, black Americans, and Abraham Lincoln’s administration. Unsurprisingly, the Times excoriated Lincoln after the preliminary Emancipation Proclamation was issued in September 1862:

“We protest against this proclamation, in the name of the constitution, in behalf of good faith to the conservative millions of the northern and border states, and for the sake of the only means by which it has at any time been possible to restore the Union. We protest against it as a monstrous usurpation, a criminal wrong, and an act of national suicide.”

http://www.brooklynhistory.org/blog/2014/02/25/the-emancipation-proclamation-copperheads-respond/

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #9)

Tue Sep 5, 2017, 03:00 PM

22. Of course it's not an identical situation, and I know there was a lot of opposition

at the time. Lincoln justified it under his wartime powers and was aware it might be challenged in the courts, but the ratification of the 13th Amendment took care of the controversy, and hardly anybody complains about the Emancipation Proclamation any more (except for the usual suspects). My point was just that EOs have been used many times to accomplish things Congress didn't or wouldn't do; they are valid as long as they are constitutional. Some, such as Truman's nationalization of the steel mills during a strike, have been overturned as a violation of the separation of powers principle. There are a lot of gray areas.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Tue Sep 5, 2017, 02:23 PM

3. I suspect his motivations have more to do with losing Hispanic support than actually concern about

their welfare.

He talked a "reasonable" game when it came to the recent ACA vote, but when the vote came down to it, he sided with cutting healthcare for millions.

In this case I think he will vote to keep the DACA, because he views it as the republicans losing votes


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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Tue Sep 5, 2017, 02:24 PM

4. lindsey is a mccain - class coward. watch his votes not his vocal BS nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #4)

Tue Sep 5, 2017, 03:29 PM

27. Exactly. n/t

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Tue Sep 5, 2017, 02:24 PM

5. I was right there with you,

right until Graham said that Trump did the right thing, imputing to Trump a concern for constitutional process that he clearly lacks the wit to comprehend. Graham's remark may have been intended to placate Trump's easily offended tender sensibilities; but damned if it didn't put Graham right back into the stack of hypocritical GOPers who will say anything to make themselves look good.


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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Tue Sep 5, 2017, 02:27 PM

6. Graham is an asshole....

 

but he is a fairly consistent asshole, and he has stuck to his guns when he opposes Obama, at least mostly.

He has my grudging respect on this matter so far, but the fight is not over.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Tue Sep 5, 2017, 02:28 PM

7. I'll consider him to have stepped up

when he actually does something more than pay lip service to the DACA mess.

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Response to sharp_stick (Reply #7)

Tue Sep 5, 2017, 02:32 PM

11. Precisely

Before he was a senator, Graham was on the Impeachment Team in the House that delivered the case to the Senate. When I see that level of involvement against Trump for real crimes, I'll say that he stepped up. Until then, he's at the bottom of a very deep hole.

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Response to sharp_stick (Reply #7)

Tue Sep 5, 2017, 03:00 PM

20. Me also - making speeches is easy

actually doing something and taking the heat - that's what we're looking for.
Until then he's just another republican to me.

ETA - it took his buddy McCain to have cancer to finally do the right thing.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Tue Sep 5, 2017, 02:32 PM

10. I can't stand him. His mannerisms and demeanor...

... he's so smug. Not a sincere bone in his body.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Tue Sep 5, 2017, 02:33 PM

12. Lindsey Graham seriously frustrates me

Because he says the right things often enough that you *know* he knows the right thing to do. But when it comes time to vote he too often falls in line.

The DACA issue is very interesting to watch. My heart breaks for the Dreamers personally affected by this, and hope Congress makes this right. From a political standpoint, Trump just gave Congressional Republicans a huge mess to clean up by kicking this back to them. This was not something they wanted to deal with. Will there be enough Repugs to join Dems in doing the right thing to pass a version through Congress?

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Tue Sep 5, 2017, 02:40 PM

13. I can't believe that anyone falls for his shuck, he will vote party line ALWAYS to be re-elected in

 

in a deeply Red(neck) state. He must occasionally have an attack of moral conscientiousness but he never lets that affect his voting record in the end, when it truly counts. Fuck him, he's a prick that would not hesitate to wipe out 10 million S. Koreans by launching a preemptive strike against the North.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Tue Sep 5, 2017, 02:41 PM

14. He's Klan.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Tue Sep 5, 2017, 02:43 PM

15. Even if this SOMEHOW gets thru the House ans Senate

 

Trump will veto it. He's an evil man.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Tue Sep 5, 2017, 02:48 PM

16. You weren't listening closely. Graham tied DACA legislation to wall funding. A non-starter.

 

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #16)

Tue Sep 5, 2017, 02:56 PM

18. Does that mean it is on the back burner for the next 6 months?

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Tue Sep 5, 2017, 02:53 PM

17. Talk Is Cheap

His voting record says much more. He's a rethug through and through.

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Response to Leith (Reply #17)

Tue Sep 5, 2017, 03:03 PM

23. THIS

Same goes for John McCain, 99% of the time.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Tue Sep 5, 2017, 03:25 PM

25. Fuck that

That attitude is exactly how we ended up with Retrumplicans in charge of all branches of the Federal gubmint and a large majority of State houses.

Here's a Fucking clue...if they have a fucking R after their name, THEY NEED TO BE DESTROYED - Period!!!

This is War! There is no room for half measures.

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Response to maxrandb (Reply #25)

Tue Sep 5, 2017, 03:30 PM

28. CORRECT

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Tue Sep 5, 2017, 03:29 PM

26. It is possible the house and senate could resolve this and make it even better

but too many teaparty assholes in power for that, they will purposely block anything that is decent or American.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Tue Sep 5, 2017, 03:33 PM

29. Can't stand him and don't trust him, BUT, he is the only

Republican that I have ever seen that has a sense of humor.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Tue Sep 5, 2017, 03:35 PM

30. He's like McCain...

Once in awhile he'll say the right thing, but most of his votes are lock-step with his party. Words can be powerful if there is action behind them. Otherwise they are useless.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Tue Sep 5, 2017, 03:38 PM

31. Meh.

Nothing's changed with this a-hole.

All talk, he knows he doesn't lose either way.

In 2018, fuck you if you don't get off your butt to vote these reps assholes out. Country over Hillary and over Bernie.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Tue Sep 5, 2017, 07:09 PM

32. he can fuck himself

at the end of the day he still pimps for repukes

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Tue Sep 5, 2017, 07:28 PM

33. In July 2017 Graham and Durbin of Illinois

In July 2017 Graham and Durbin of Illinois introduced dream act of 2017, which would grant legal status and a playoff to citizenship for "dreamers." I don't know if it's going anywhere probably not yet.

Makes me feel good he's from my state. Even if he is a Republican.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Tue Sep 5, 2017, 08:40 PM

34. No credit from me. Still using any opportunity to bash President Obama

and toe the GOP party line at the end of the day.

The GOP script apparently dictates that all of them frame this as Trump correcting President Obama's "overreach".

But the occasional upside is that, for their efforts to defend Trump and simultaneously bash Obama, Trump 'revises' his original position to make them look like the party-line sycophants they are.



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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Tue Sep 5, 2017, 08:53 PM

35. Viva les moderates!

Yes, I know I didn't translate "moderates".

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