New report confirms what Hillary said in her memoir about Sanders:

[fallout87]

"Bernie Sanders’s Revolution Will Doom Democrats’ Hopes of Ever Defeating Trump, Warns Think Tank"

Adopting populist economic policies like those championed by Senator Bernie Sanders will keep the Democratic Party locked out of power, according to a report published Tuesday by centrist think tank Third Way.

The report, based on findings of online focus groups with voters who switched support from Barack Obama in 2012 to Donald Trump in 2016, as well as persuadable African-American, Latino and millennial voters, urges Democrats to instead become “the jobs party.”

The report comes amid much soul searching within the Democratic Party following its crushing losses last November in the presidential election, as well as those for the House, Senate and state legislatures. In the aftermath, a battle is being waged over the party’s direction between establishment moderates and progressive firebrands like Sanders and Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren.

The takeaway from Third Way’s three-day focus groups, conducted by polling company Global Strategy Group in May, was that the party has lost touch with its core message in recent years.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/bernie-sanders-revolution-doom-democrats-203058553.html

http://www.thirdway.org/report/get-to-work-democrats-become-the-jobs-party

[karynnj]

1. Third way???

Are you really surprised with conclusion?

[fallout87]

3. I dont know much about them

What's their deal?

[DeminPennswoods]

5. Republican lite

nt

[dflprincess]

10. Beyond that

they'd make Eisenhower look like a Communist.

[HopeAgain]

4. LOL!

[QC]

22. Next thing you know the American Beef Council

will be saying people should eat beef!!!

[shanny]

23. +1

[JimGinPA]

2. .

[elleng]

6. 'Adopting populist economic policies like those championed by Senator Bernie Sanders

will keep the Democratic Party locked out of power.'

[shanny]

14. IKR?

[NurseJackie]

7. Not at all surprised with that analysis or those conclusions.

[shanny]

8. "...the takeaway from Third Way's...focus groups..."

Does "Third Way" = the Democratic Party? And if it does, should it? Is there any evidence that Third Way is all about more--and better--jobs? Isn't this the puke philosophy: that what is good for business (the job creators!) is also good for workers? I.e. we have to be more Business Friendly!? and the good stuff will just trickle down?

Give me a fucking break.

I do agree that the party has lost touch with its core message in recent decades.

[hedda_foil]

12. Third Way is bazically the old DLC, conservative, businezs-buddy Democrats.

[shanny]

13. Yup, I know.

What I don't know is why anyone would want to listen to them.

[hedda_foil]

18. You and me both!

[sharedvalues]

27. Focus groups are short term focused.

[shanny]

28. True. My problem is with

the Third Way, short- or long-term. They have "helped" enough.

[sharedvalues]

36. +1

[4now]

9. We have to be smart this time.

[dflprincess]

11. The Third Way said this?

[aikoaiko]

15. I thought Third Way closed up shop.

Who knew they were still around peddling their wares?

[leftstreet]

16. '...published Tuesday by centrist think tank Third Way.' LOL n/t

[CousinIT]

17. "Third Way" is why so many flocked to Sanders to begin with...

...I'd suggest discarding anything they say.

[Jake Stern]

19. Can summarize nearly every Turd Way report in one sentence:

"Be more like Republicans"

[shanny]

24. Sounds like a great plan, doesn't it?

[Hell Hath No Fury]

20. Bernie's economic focus was anathema to corporate Third Way Dems --

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And there is only one person responsible for HRC's loss of the Presidency: HRC herself. The buck stops with her. Period. Some very bad choices were made that came back to bite her -- and the country -- in the ass.

“For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia, and you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin.” - Chuck Schumer

"We need to be elevating the Pied Piper candidates so that they are leaders of the pack and tell the press to (take) them seriously."

Famous last words...

[shanny]

25. That quote from schumer is a real

Eye-opener, isn't it? Absolutely shocking.

[Expecting Rain]

21. This groups conclusions are valid...

Americans want jobs, good jobs, and when those who are associated with our party convince Americans that they are anti-business, the people equate that with an anti-job position.

The Democratic Party should be the pro-job party.

[shanny]

26. Yes, what is good for business

is good for America. A rising tide lifts all boats...be nice to job creators!

Where have I heard that stuff before?

[Expecting Rain]

29. You have heard it from the side that's won elections...

Demagoguing job creators as greedy and evil, and alienating small business people while attacking corporations with a broad brush, makes those populists look anti-business and anti-jobs in the minds of most of the American people.

In advanced social democracies, ruling party politicians don't engage in class warfare to divide their citizenry, they seek cohesion. They also embrace and encourage wealth-creation in the private sectors because it is a sector that helps fund the generous social programs that help define social democracies.

We do need to protect workers, protect consumers, vigorously go after corporate criminality, and grow jobs.

Americans want good jobs. The study is spot on about this point.

[shanny]

30. no, I have heard it from Republicans.

you have noticed, have you not, that our side hasn't been winning elections of late? The Democratic Party is now seen as the party of the rich (yea us!) so I have to disagree with your characterization regarding "the minds of most of the American people" (got a poll or some proof of that, btw?).

As for "Americans want good jobs"--did Third Way need a poll to come to that earth-shattering conclusion? Empty platitudes like that are a big part of the problem imo. Everybody wants, and promises, "good jobs"; delivering them is the problem.

[Expecting Rain]

34. Yes, we win elections when we win the trust of the people that we are the party that will grow...

the economy. When the other party captures that message (no matter how cynically) they win.

When we are associated with those who appear to be anti-capitalists who would crash our economy, we lose. Simple.

The Democratic Party need to be a mature party that works to optimistically expand the economy and to expand job-creation, while vigorously tackling crony-capitalism and white collar financial criminality.

A strong economy builds the wealth that pays for the generous social programs most of us support.

That platform is in striking contrast to the platitudes of populists who engage in fruitless scapegoating.

[LanternWaste]

32. I heard it from the guy who said it would be a solution to kids hanging out on street corners...

" A rising tide lifts all boats...be nice to job creators"

I heard it from the guy who said it would be a solution to kids hanging out on street corners, and the people who claimed it would solve racism...




I guess ours are simply accurate illustrations that anecdotal evidence is hardly reliable, and that our "I heard/I saw" predicates are more a cause for mere skepticism than for actual investment of further research.

[shanny]

33. lol

pretty sure there has been plenty of real-life "research" on this subject already (i.e. the last 40 or so years of economic policy in this country).

[Expecting Rain]

35. And this guy was wrong that teen employment wouldn't give young people an option...

to hanging out on the streets facing unemployment and low hopes for their futures?

"Guys" like this are not wrong. And our young people do need jobs and hopes for their futures'.

Ridiculing these ideas is a path to political destruction.

[geek tragedy]

31. not sure if I were a Hillary fan I'd be touting Third Way agitprop as validation nt