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chaska

(6,794 posts)
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 01:47 PM Jul 2012

The Distant Sound of Tumbrils. Must read.

Every person on the left should read this.

I've said it before, John Michael Greer is the smartest person on the web. And when JMG speaks, we'd all do well to listen.

We need to realize that there is a very strong possibility of this (below) actually happening and that it will be nothing like a video game, it will be very ugly, and the aftermath will not end in a leftist Utopia. We need to start thinking about what happens after the revolution.


http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com/2012/07/distant-sound-of-tumbrils.html

I’ve commented more than once in these essays about the echoing gap between the fantasies of elite omnipotence so common in contemporary America, and the awkward realities of a nation where power has become so diffuse that constructive action is all but impossible....

That dimension? The cluelessness that so often afflicts ruling classes in the last years of their power.

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I sometimes wonder whether the members of America’s privileged classes will show any more insight into the forces behind whatever messy fate waits for them. Certainly they’re making all the same mistakes as their French equivalents. The power, wealth, and influence of the privileged classes in today’s America is a function of their ability to manipulate an elaborate structure in which government and what we jokingly call "private" industry are inextricably tangled. Most members of those classes have no skills worth mentioning other than those needed to manipulate that structure. They’re very good at manipulating the structure, and extracting wealth from it—that’s why they have the status and the influence they do—but they have forgotten, as most aristocracies forget when they reach senility, their own dependence on the structure.

Like the aristocrats of France before the Revolution, indeed, they’re busy undermining the structure that supports them—the culture of executive kleptocracy that pervades the upper end of American business these days is hard to describe in any other terms—and they’re equally busy trashing the last scraps of legitimacy the American political and economic system still has in the eyes of the people, for the sake of short term political advantage. It has in all probability never occurred to any of the people engaged in these activities that there could be negative consequences, or that the people in ugly clothes who bear the brunt of all this brinksmanship may eventually withdraw the support on which the entire structure depends. None of this can possibly end well: not for them, and probably not for the rest of us, either. I would remind those of my readers who think they would cheer the collapse of America’s ancien régime that what followed on the heels of 1789 was not the Utopia of reason promised by the radicals of that age, but the Terror, followed by the Napoleonic Wars.

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The Distant Sound of Tumbrils. Must read. (Original Post) chaska Jul 2012 OP
Very interesting bits excerpted from the comments section. All comments, except as noted, are... chaska Jul 2012 #1
Greer Is Always A Good Read Tace Jul 2012 #2
This deserves more eyes. chaska Jul 2012 #3

chaska

(6,794 posts)
1. Very interesting bits excerpted from the comments section. All comments, except as noted, are...
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 01:53 PM
Jul 2012

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JMG's answers to comments/questions from readers.


Void, depends on what you mean by the lower classes. The current system, for example, could keep running about as well as it is now -- which admittedly is no great prize -- after the extermination of every American who makes seven figures or more a year. Not that I'm suggesting that, please note, but the rich don't actually contribute that much to the functioning of the system -- a point they may discover the hard way in the future. 

CGP, I'd encourage you to think about just who actually has access to all those technologies of control; it's not the elite, it's a bunch of employees hired from the polyester-wearing class, who are being paid low wages to sit in front of the screens and do the scut-work of managing a security state. Their interests are not necessarily the same as those of their bosses. The French monarchy had a very extensive system of secret police, domestic spies, and soldiers, and the great majority of them simply refused to do their jobs when push came to shove, because the collapse of legitimacy affected them as much as anyone. 

I'd encourage you to remember the collapse of East Germany a few decades ago. The East German state had arguably the most comprehensive system of repression ever put in place, with something like half the population spying on the other half, and it fell over, twitched, and died in a matter of weeks because not even the secret policemen believed in the system they were hired to uphold. That's the way revolutions unfold -- and it's also the reason why Orwell's 1984 is a great novel and an inaccurate prophecy. 

Robert, there were significant factions in French society who supported the aristocratic party against the claims of the crown and its bureaucratic supporters, for much the same reasons that lower middle class Americans support the Tea Party against the Democrats and federal bureaucracy. The swing toward condemnation of the entire elite class came only after the revolutionary process got under way, and I think you'll see the same thing this time around.

Odin's Raven said...
The leading American aristocrats have transferred their productive estates, and their vulnerable persons, offshore. When America's cities burn, they may expect to watch the display on television, from the comfort of a yacht moored at a well guarded Greek island, or a Paraguayan ranch,or in a tower block in say, Shanghai; whilst sipping a Chateau Lafitte, and texting each other about the dumb behavior of the low class cattle.

John Michael Greer said...
Raven, sure, and a week after they no longer have the US to protect them, all those rich exiles will be quietly interned "for their own protection" and never seen again. It's part and parcel of the upper class sense of entitlement that so many people fail to realize that money isn't real power any more than it's real wealth.

John Michael Greer said...
Raven, you're quite right that there will be plenty of opportunities for the able and ruthless. That's why the current American aristocracy is doomed; all they know how to do, again, is manipulate a hypercomplex and idiosyncratic system, which is coming apart around them. It's not today's bankers and corporate bureaucrats who will lay the foundations for the feudal system of Dark Age America, but a mix of Hispanic drug lords, successful gang leaders, midlevel military officers, and here and there an unusually gifted mayor or county commissioner.

Justin, there's anarchy in theory and anarchy in practice. Anarchy in theory is wonderful. Anarchy in practice is so far to the opposite extreme that most people will embrace even the harshest tyranny in its place. 


Jennifer D Riley said...
The latest excuse in favor of the 1% came last week from a unemployed conservative: "There's no reason to attack or get rid of billionaires. If you do, then another set of rick, wealthy people will just pop up in their place. The billionaires will always be with us." As if billionaire and mushroom DNA has cross-bred.
John Michael Greer said...
Jennifer, is your unemployed conservative friend a Christian? If so, you might mention to him that he's got his Bible exactly backwards -- Jesus said "The poor ye always have with you." One more data point for my suggestion that the GOP is a pack of Satanists...

Tace

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