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ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 04:22 PM Sep 2017

Serious question: If Manafort "accidentally" falls on a bullet

How does that affect Mueller's investigation? Remember Denis Voronenkov who had a similar "accident" a couple months ago when he was going to squeal on Manafort? I refuse to put it past them to take out the man himself, and I think this is the reason behind his not having flipped yet. But the question remains, Does Mueller actually need Manafort to give testimony, or would his testimony just expedite the process?

Edit: I'm not trying to promote a conspiracy theory. My concern in asking this is to find out if Mueller really needs Manafort as a live witness. I have no idea what having a live witness versus only documents means in a case like this.


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Sanity Claws

(21,815 posts)
1. Maybe this is why Mueller seized the documents
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 04:25 PM
Sep 2017

The documents can tell a story without Manafort. They can be authenticated through the banks or other sources they lead to.

doc03

(35,078 posts)
2. He probably just made the Putin/Trump hit list expect anything. He may accidentally fall
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 04:26 PM
Sep 2017

out of a hotel window, get poisoned or get run over by a truck.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
5. He hasn't flipped yet, so maybe he is still safe?
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 04:42 PM
Sep 2017

Is he just stalling the inevitable? I like to think there is more to it than that, like there are some blank spots in the story line that Mueller needs filling in.

Yes, I realize this is speculative. My original intent for this post was to ask if having him as a live witness was essential to proving Mueller's case. If he isn't alive, then are those documents circumstantial?

Eliot Rosewater

(31,087 posts)
3. Manafort could testify that Trump is a traitor and has participated in
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 04:31 PM
Sep 2017

murdering children in the Ukraine and he would still have 50 million rabid supporters.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
7. Not conspiracy theory
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 04:46 PM
Sep 2017

I want to know if Mueller needs him alive to give testimony in order to finish his case. If Manafort is the linchpin, can cases be brought against tRump, Pence, etc solely on the basis of existing documents.

I might as well have said, "If Manafort flees to another country". The circumstances don't matter. I only want to know how much weight his testimony has, how necessary it is.

BigmanPigman

(51,365 posts)
8. Can 45 pardon him too? The guys arrested in Watergate weren't pardoned but 45
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 05:02 PM
Sep 2017

isn't Nixon either...he is even crazier and worse in so many areas and on so many issues (personal dirty financing/income, mob connections, treason, nepotism, ethics, etc.). The Watergate criminals and major players served some time in jail...not nearly enough considering the magnitude and extent of their crimes. Will Manafort allow himself to go there out of duty to the fake prez? Where does his loyalty end and saving his own ass start?

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
11. Mueller is pressuring him for sure
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 05:42 PM
Sep 2017

And this excitement over the possibility of indictment has everyone on edge. Still, does it mean that Mueller needs Manafort's testimony badly, or is he trying to put the screws to everyone else who will potentially need to testify?

What you've said raises another issue. Is he really concerned with tRump at this point? I mean, we have tapes of Manafort and Pence, too. Maybe he is trying to save dozens of others and tRump could be expendable to keep more important people in power.

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