Were on the verge of learning who assassinated JFK

[deminks]

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/09/were-on-the-verge-of-learning-who-assassinated-jfk/#.WcbMWoj0V2g.twitter

Two senior Capitol Hill Republicans plan to introduce a congressional resolution calling for full disclosure of U.S. government records related to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy in 1963.
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Rep. Walter Jones (R-N.C) and Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa) will introduce their JFK resolution before the end of the month, according to Jones.

“I want to make sure that the information that is owed the American people is made available,” the veteran North Carolina conservative said in an exclusive interview with AlterNet. “The American people are sick and tired of not being given the truth. “

The JFK Records Act of 1992 mandated full disclosure of all government records related to the assassination within 25 years. Some four million pages of records were released in the late 1990s and early 2000s. Another 100,000 pages of assassination-related material from a dozen government agencies must be made public by the statutory deadline of Oct. 26, 2017.

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Asked why the issue still matters more than a half century after JFK’s assassination, Jones replied. “If you don’t know history, you have no future.”

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[spanone]

1. interesting.

[milestogo]

2. We should have learned this over 50 years ago.

[bearsfootball516]

3. I still believe it was Oswald, acting alone

Occam's razor.

[Awsi Dooger]

5. The ultimate litmus test

I don't respect the opinion of anyone who doesn't believe Oswald acted alone

[bathroommonkey76]

10. +1

[Hamlette]

13. Agree

[Spider Jerusalem]

23. Yep.

There's just too much evidence that says it was Oswald, and none that says it was anyone else.

Oswald's rifle, found on the scene, with his prints on it. Bullet recovered from the car, matched to Oswald's rifle. Bullet fragments, matched to Carcano ammunition. Not to mention Oswald leaving almost all of his money (which, he was, by all accounts, tighter than a fish's arsehole, so that was very much out of character) and his wedding ring on the nightstand for his wife to find (as though he didn't expect to be coming back or to see her again). Eyewitnesses who saw a man in the window of the Depository with a rifle (a description that went out over police radio and led to Officer JD Tippit stopping Oswald, and getting shot...which, if you're innocent, why kill a cop?), etc.

[sharedvalues]

25. But likely with past training/radicalization from Russia/Cuba

Just like the Boston bomber Tsarnaev, who traveled to Russia and was radicalized there,
and al-Zawahiri who was imprisoned/trained in Russia,

Oswald had contact with radicals in Cuba who probably stirred up hate in him, causing him to act.

There's also a chance that some US govt agency had some kind of contact with Oswald or his pals in Cuba in some not-totally-aboveboard way -- lots of provocation going on back then. If so, gov't probably would try to cover some stuff up because they don't know exactly what their agents or allies might have done.

All that said - I agree all signs point to him acting alone. But there's probably some color to that statement we don't know.

[Dave Starsky]

47. I think THAT'S what the cover-up was about.

Oswald seemed to flit between the Soviet Union and the US like you and I might go to Hawaii for a weekend, at a time when it should be almost impossible. I think he was either an agent/double agent for their side or ours, and that's what the powers-that-be got panicked about when he went off the rails and killed the President. They didn't want all THAT stuff to come out.

[sharedvalues]

59. sort of

You could be exactly right.

But if I had to bet, I'd bet that Oswald wasn't considered smart enough or stable enough to be a real agent -- my guess is that he was a schmo who one or more countries tried to radicalize. And the US didn't want THAT to come out.

high five

[Dave Starsky]

66. You may be closer to the truth.

But I think we're both on the right path. The cover-up was really about the fact that intelligence agencies had been actually grooming this unhinged nincompoop.

[hedda_foil]

39. How old were you then?

[Cold War Spook]

50. I was 20 and in the army.

All of us studying to be Russian linguists were in the Steinbeck theater on Cannery Road in Monterey watching the Russian opera, Pikovaya Dama, Queen of Spades. After it ended, we learned that JFK had been shot.

[RobinA]

45. I Can Cut People

a little slack as long as they aren't running around promoting alternate theories. I held out for a long time thinking maybe something else could have happened, maybe. Then I met a hardcore conspiracy theorist who urged me to look into it, even recommended a couple books. I looked into it, read the books, and became totally convinced it was Oswald alone. Not my friend's hoped for outcome, but the total lack of evidence and faulty reasoning presented by even the people saying it was somebody/something else was glaring to me. So for people who haven't done some research, I can overlook them being a little wishy washy, given how prevalent the conspiracy theories are in our culture.

[Dave Starsky]

58. Stephen King came to the same conclusion...

when he was writing 11-22-1963.

He researched it for years, keeping an open mind about what might have happened, because if it DID look like a conspiracy, he could weave that into an even more compelling story. Ultimately, he gave up on that. The evidence really isn't very convincing.

I think the key is consistency in the "alternate" versions. I'd be willing to accept that ET spacecraft are real tomorrow, if a half dozen or so truly independent sources could produce videos, photos, etc., of the SAME THING. Instead, we've got 60% of the planet literally running around with cameras in their pockets, and... nothing.

[FLPanhandle]

49. Yep

Conspiracy loons the lot of them.

[lastlib]

65. I'm starting to lean toward the theory that...

Oswald acted alone, but that the fatal bullet was fired accidentally by a Secret Service agent. It doesn't make sense to me that the fatal bullet was fired by Oswald, when his "magic bullet" passed thru two bodies with comparatively little damage; But the damage done to JFK's head was consistent with what a bullet from a SS assault rifle would have done. Just my personal belief.

[WinkyDink]

9. Occam's Razor is completely irrelevant here. Indeed, were it used, it would be the exact

opposite conclusion: Too many wounds and wounded men, and too many witnesses looking away from the TBD for there to have been but one shooter.

The same conclusion the SECOND govt commission reached.

[stopbush]

17. Wow. You need to do some research, especially when it comes to

the Congressional investigation.

[Major Nikon]

42. You do realize the sole reason the HSCA reached that conclusion has been debunked?

The only reason the 2nd govt commission in which you speak issued a conclusion of conspiracy was solely because of the dictabelt audio recording, which has since been soundly debunked. Had they had a competent analysis of the recording they would have reached the same conclusion as the other two govt commissions which found no evidence to support more than one shooter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_assassination_Dictabelt_recording

[stevenleser]

14. Agreed. nt

[stopbush]

16. Bingo. Bugliosi pretty much closed the book on this case.

[EffieBlack]

31. Me, too

I thought I was the only person left on earth who thinks so. It's good to have some company.

[ProfessorGAC]

4. Wait A Second

We need a resolution to make government release the records that 25 year old legislation said they have to?
Why is only 2.5% still unreleased?

[SharonClark]

6. Grassley? He must think there is evidence Obama did it.

[MFM008]

26. Lol

.....

[Kaleva]

7. Oswald?

[L. Coyote]

8. Misleading OP title.

You presume we will learn something new.

[Kaleva]

11. There'll be enough there to keep the conspiracy cottage industry going.

[Major Nikon]

43. There will always be those who come up with nutty shit to make money

It doesn't really matter what the government does or does not release. They will still be throwing the same turds against the wall in hopes that something will stick.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

12. Please let me find out before I die. First President I really knew of. Big impact on my life....

[roamer65]

15. There has been 50+ years to dispose of any specifically incriminating documents.

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I doubt the release will bring any significant resolution. I suspect it will be just a lot of finger pointing between government departments.

[bathroommonkey76]

18. LBJ destroyed the physical evidence shortly after he took office. n/t

[jalan48]

19. Why now by two Republicans?

[JHB]

32. simple: Blame Democrats.

They'll find something they can criticize and use that to smear current Democrats.

[jalan48]

34. Could be -I was thinking distraction also.

[xor]

54. They're going to pin it on Obama or the Clintons.

[CanonRay]

20. I believe a rookie Secret Service agent accidentally fired the fatal shot after Oswald wouneed him.

[exboyfil]

51. The Mortal Error argument

You would have to account for the three casings in Oswald's firing location. Also the damage to Kennedy's head has been simulated using the same type of ammunition that Oswald used. The "magic bullet" shot has also been simulated.

What I can't understand is why a trained Secret Service agent braked after hearing shots. Also why the Secret Service detail was pulled from the running boards of the limo - after much confusion at the airport.

[Cracklin Charlie]

56. I think this is a possibility.

The error does not remove the possibility that Oswald and/or others were also shooting. I just think there is a chance that the fatal shot came from directly behind the President's car.

[CanonRay]

57. I think Oswald got lucky and did hit Kennedy, but not the fatal shot.

[Awsi Dooger]

21. We need at least 95 million more variables

Then the truth will begin to unfold, contingent on at least 95 million more.

Too bad TruthIsAll no longer is welcome here. He was a JFK conspiracy nutcase.

Probability is not exactly a strength of the populous. I always knew that, but the extent didn't become obvious until the internet exploded.

Make that 295 million.

[Xolodno]

22. Look! Squirell!!!

....that should get some people off our back about the Repeal, Dump, etc.

[UTUSN]

24. Repukes want to pin it on LBJ

[oswaldactedalone]

27. We already know who assassinated JFK

Oswald acted alone. More likely, he was trying to assassinate Connally but missed him and hit Kennedy. He got lucky that one bullet struck them both but not bad enough to take out Connally. He had a grudge against Connally, never said anything negative about Kennedy. JFK was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[trackfan]

37. I've thought this for at least 40 years;

and this is either the first time, or maybe I've forgotten, but at least one of the very few times I've ever seen, that someone else thinks the same thing.

[Chasstev365]

28. Oswald is exactly what he said she was : A Patsy!

3 shots in 5.3 seconds from a bolt action rifle? No way!

It was rouge elements of the CIA and mafia after the Kennedys shut down the plot to kill Castro, Operation Mongosse!

[NotASurfer]

29. Or as The Onion put it in their "November 22, 1963" edition

Kennedy Slain By CIA, Mafia, Castro, LBJ, Teamsters, Freemasons - President Shot 129 Times from 43 Different Angles

http://www.theonion.com/graphic/november-22-1963-10584

[JHB]

33. IIRC, in Robert Anton Wilson's novel Illiminati, it was all those...

... plus John Dillinger, whose own death was faked.

It was amazing there was anything left of his corpse, so many hands were in there.

[Kaleva]

35. Lol!

Sounds like a plot for a dark comedy. Where a bunch of different and unconnected groups arrive at the same place at the same time to commit the same crime. Hilarity and gunfire ensue!

[BlueIdaho]

30. Distraction...

Why announce this right now? Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to know what ever the government knows. But somehow I don’t see Chuck Grassley and Walter Jones as passionate seekers of the truth. Especially when it has to do with JFK. More like a big distraction from whatever is about to break in RussiaGate.

[Tiggeroshii]

36. I thought we already knew

Ted Cruz's dad, right?

[marybourg]

38. Another distraction. nt

[taught_me_patience]

40. Oswald was the lone shooter. n/t

[VOX]

41. Agreed. BUT...did he conspire with anyone prior?

That's what has bothered me for decades. Sure, I can understand how Oswald was most likely the lone shooter.

But did he just decide to act alone, or was he promised something, or threatened, or given any instructions? That's probably something we'll never know, one way or the other.

[sharedvalues]

60. Or merely radicalized by some intelligence service

And then left to act alone... like what might have happened with Tsarnaev.

[cbdo2007]

44. Now if we could only get the missing Lincoln assassination papers.

I still think his horse Old Bob played a bigger role than the "history experts" are letting on.

[JenniferJuniper]

53. Peanut John did not get enough scrutiny

And I've always had doubts about that Seward girl. Rumor has it she was dating Lewis Powell/Payne!

[LostOne4Ever]

46. I'll save you some time: it was Lee Harvey Oswald

You can thank me later.

[Scurrilous]

62. LOL

[aikoaiko]

48. My guess is that these documents won''t change conventional wisdom much

I'm sure there will be interesting details added to the JFK assassination mix and the documents will reveal unrelated info on people and institutions, but I doubt there will be a document that says, "And so we conclude it was X" followed by definitive proof.

[Greybnk48]

55. Why now? To discredit the CIA in the eyes of Americans?

Or the FBI? Or both? Why now out of a clear blue sky?

[Ken Burch]

61. It was a one-armed man....and Kristin Shepard...

...and Vickie Lawrence in "The Night The Lights Went Out In Georgia"...and "Bob" from TWIN PEAKS.

[Dan]

63. Wasn't it Ted Cruz's father?

humor..

[mvd]

64. I doubt they will let it be much

But I am a proud conspiracy theorist here. The one I don’t believe is LBJ was involved. I also believe aliens have come, but that is for another thread.

[CanSocDem]

67. This is why you have Donald Trump.

Americans are notoriously incurious. You don't ask who killed JFK, Bobby and MLK or who started the war in Vietnam. You don't ask who and how the war in the ME started. You accept the War on Terror and the War on Drugs and the infallibility of scienceINC without a second thought. And how is all that going for you?

One of the great lines in All the Presidents Men was when 'Deep Throat' said 'They wanted to run against McGovern...' which is why they destroyed the reputation of Ed Musky, a much more electable progressive. Much like what's going on now....



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[Orrex]

68. I believe that George W Bush did it, as a controlled demolition