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pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
Sun Oct 1, 2017, 01:00 AM Oct 2017

Maria's Puerto Rican dead are being under-reported. It's not 16 and may be in the hundreds.

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http://periodismoinvestigativo.com/2017/09/marias-dead-in-puerto-rico-are-underreported/

Cotté is one of the unaccounted victims of the Category 5 hurricane that devastated all of Puerto Rico last week, with its sustained winds and gusts of up to 200 miles per hour. On Wednesday, the Government of Puerto Rico, still held that the official number of deaths as a result of the catastrophe was 16, but the Center for Investigative Journalism (CPI, for its initials in Spanish) has confirmed that there are dozens and could be hundreds in the final count.

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CPI sources in half a dozen hospitals said those bodies are piling up at the morgues of the 69 hospitals in Puerto Rico, of which 70% are not operating. The majority of the hospital morgues that provided information including Doctor’s Center in Bayamón and Santurce, Pavía Hospital in Santurce, the Manatí Medical Center, Dr. Pila in Ponce, the Río Piedras Medical Center, the Mayagüez Medical Center and the HIMA hospitals in Caguas and Bayamón, are at full capacity. Those hospitals are among the 18 that are partially operational.

Furthermore, this media outlet learned that the Institute of Forensic Sciences is also full of bodies and that allegedly 25 of those are hurricane victims. On Tuesday, the IFS informed that it had increased its storage capacity for bodies with a trailer that was obtained through DMORT federal program.

It’s unclear what is happening with the deceased that are at the morgues of the 51 hospitals that have had to close their doors, with which it has been impossible to communicate.

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“We’re finding dead people, people who have been buried. Related to the hurricane (we have) 19 dead, which the governor reported, but (people) have made common graves. We’ve been told people have buried their family members because they’re in places that have yet to be reached,” the Secretary told the CPI, while visibly shaken.

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Meanwhile, thousands of doctors and nurses are literally at home unable to work, said Dr. Joaquín Vargas, president of the Puerto Rico Primary Physicians Groups Association, who was at the COE to see if the government would set up an operations center where they could at least answer calls from citizens.

The CPI also learned that a large portion of specialized physicians is unable to work because hospitals don’t have supplies and the ability to conduct their procedures, nor basic resources such as fuel or electricity to run their medical practices.
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Maria's Puerto Rican dead are being under-reported. It's not 16 and may be in the hundreds. (Original Post) pnwmom Oct 2017 OP
There are many dead. But how many are missing or swept out to sea? democratisphere Oct 2017 #1
Many are missing. Their families have no way of contacting them. nt pnwmom Oct 2017 #2
Sorry, but this reminds me of another DUer's hysterical claims regarding another hurricane. cwydro Oct 2017 #3
What is hysterical about the OP or about the article? n/t pnwmom Oct 2017 #6
Did you read the article? SunSeeker Oct 2017 #15
by the time all is said and done lapfog_1 Oct 2017 #4
OMG, The morgues in shuttered hospitals.... hedda_foil Oct 2017 #5
this needs to get out more gopiscrap Oct 2017 #7
Awful Not Ruth Oct 2017 #8
People are spread out and the gasoline shortages affect police, too. Also, there is no pnwmom Oct 2017 #9
Health checks keep people alive Not Ruth Oct 2017 #10
Not if there are no medical supplies or functioning hospitals. You don't seem to understand pnwmom Oct 2017 #13
Health checks could help. Igel Oct 2017 #23
Trump tweeted today that all the buildings have been checked which is horseshit elehhhhna Oct 2017 #17
Probably not, in the case of a disaster this widespread. MineralMan Oct 2017 #20
KnR Hekate Oct 2017 #11
K&R!!!!!! burrowowl Oct 2017 #12
After reading that article, it appears obvious the dead are in the hundreds, if not over 1,000. SunSeeker Oct 2017 #14
Can't refrigerate insulin, can't get dialysis, can't oxygenate premies and the elderly... Squinch Oct 2017 #16
Yep. nt SunSeeker Oct 2017 #18
But Geraldo Rivera scoffed at the San Juan mayor, saying "I haven't seen anyone dying." nt tblue37 Oct 2017 #19
35,000 people die in PR every year no matter what. former9thward Oct 2017 #21
But the numbers of hurricane deaths will be grossly understated if they include only those pnwmom Oct 2017 #24
Duh! malaise Oct 2017 #22
 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
3. Sorry, but this reminds me of another DUer's hysterical claims regarding another hurricane.
Sun Oct 1, 2017, 01:16 AM
Oct 2017

That person is banned so I'm not calling her out.

It's obvious Puerto Rico is in dire straits, but I'm going to hold off on believing this until I see official accounts.

lapfog_1

(29,205 posts)
4. by the time all is said and done
Sun Oct 1, 2017, 01:22 AM
Oct 2017

you will never get an accurate count of related deaths.

hundreds are not out of the question... over 3 million people were living there.

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
8. Awful
Sun Oct 1, 2017, 01:53 AM
Oct 2017

Are there no neighborhood police/fire around to do health checks on houses? I was 4 floors up from a small fire and the fire department did that almost immediately.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
9. People are spread out and the gasoline shortages affect police, too. Also, there is no
Sun Oct 1, 2017, 01:56 AM
Oct 2017

phone or internet.

The police who do have access to gasoline also have other things to do that take priority over counting dead people -- like helping to keep other people alive.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
13. Not if there are no medical supplies or functioning hospitals. You don't seem to understand
Sun Oct 1, 2017, 03:56 AM
Oct 2017

the scale of the disaster.

For example, from the article -- if he's sent home a "health check" wouldn't help this man:

The fatalities related to circumstances created by the hurricane are still mounting with each passing day, and official numbers are not counting patients who are not receiving dialysis, oxygen and other essential services, such as Pedro Fontánez, 79, who is bedridden at the Pavía Hospital in Santurce and who the institution is attempting to release since Saturday, while he lacks electricity at home to support the oxygen and gastric tube-feeding he needs to continue living. His daughter Nilka Fontánez showed up desperate at the government’s Emergency Operations Center asking for help, but was told they were not accepting patients there.

Igel

(35,309 posts)
23. Health checks could help.
Sun Oct 1, 2017, 11:14 AM
Oct 2017

But they have to be organized, and for that you need organization.

Imagine the health check you received occurring if

there was no electricity
there was virtually no gasoline
there was precious little interconnectivity, Internet or phone
there was no organization
and the checkers' houses were also trashed and their family members at risk.


It's an island something like 45 x 85 miles with the population of 3.4 million mostly along the shore, but just "mostly." The capital, San Juan, holds 12% of the population and is under 400k. They're spread out. Some of the coastal roads need to be bulldozed to become passable by most vehicles because the road bed was washed out in spots. It's sometimes worse up in the hills.

MineralMan

(146,309 posts)
20. Probably not, in the case of a disaster this widespread.
Sun Oct 1, 2017, 11:01 AM
Oct 2017

There are small towns and villages in Puerto Rico that really don't have such police and fire departments. Many are cut off from everything still. Clearing roads and reestablishing communications usually begins in heavily populated areas and then spreads out slowly.

I expect a death in the four figures when all are counted.

SunSeeker

(51,557 posts)
14. After reading that article, it appears obvious the dead are in the hundreds, if not over 1,000.
Sun Oct 1, 2017, 03:59 AM
Oct 2017

All of the morgues at the operating hospitals are full. They have not even been able to communicate with 51 hospitals.

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
16. Can't refrigerate insulin, can't get dialysis, can't oxygenate premies and the elderly...
Sun Oct 1, 2017, 08:11 AM
Oct 2017

Yeah. It's going to be big when we finally hear the true number.

I hate to say it, but if someone can compile a legitimate island-wide number of what we know now, it might galvanize the stupids here to send an army of help.

former9thward

(32,009 posts)
21. 35,000 people die in PR every year no matter what.
Sun Oct 1, 2017, 11:08 AM
Oct 2017

That is almost 100 every day. Not every person who dies has died because of the Hurricane. The article does not draw a difference between the two.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
24. But the numbers of hurricane deaths will be grossly understated if they include only those
Sun Oct 1, 2017, 01:09 PM
Oct 2017

who died on the day of the hurricane and not all those who died of hurricane related problems afterwards -- like no electricity, no dialysis, no oxygen, no medicine, etc.

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