He just tweeted calling Mayor Cruz an "Ingrate"

[orangecrush]

Link to tweet

and patting himself on the back again...

Link to tweet

Can we survive this administration?

[COLGATE4]

1. Psychopathic piece of shit

[orangecrush]

5. This is so far off the rails

I'm wondering how much more damage he will be allowed to wreak.

[COLGATE4]

7. Unfortunately remember the 11th Commandment:

IOKIYAR

[orangecrush]

16. Truth.

[Hortensis]

37. I believe he's talking to his base at the instigation of those who whisper in his ears.

Anyone else would do it a little more respectably sounding, of course, but if you go check right wing media and forums where "the base" talk you're going to find a very different view has been developed of this mayor. By the way, they're also reporting and believing that San Juan teamsters were refusing to drive trucks to distribute supplies, disgusting beyond words but it's being believed and repeated.

By the way, although I believe "the base's" views are scum and not worth the electronic 1s and 0s it takes to express them, AND I would never doubt the mayor's sincerity, AND the people of San Juan were and are in very serious trouble, some things I've heard from her directly and from others there make me want to hold on a full-out belief in her statements and competence. Sincere, yes, but in her distress she may been not have presented a dependable picture of what was happening in San Juan.

Attack the pubs all you want, but maybe use other representations to back up your arguments. And your beliefs?

[Generic Other]

43. Stop Now Please

I think she's entitled to be concerned. And on the edge of hysteria. We need to support not tear down like Trump has done.

She lost her home. She's living in a shelter. Red tape is slowing down the process. Tax collection at the point of entry. Overcharging to get off the island by plane. Threats to take passports for those who manage to get to the US unless they repay the plane fare. Humanitarian aid with a pricetag.

I think you and many of the rest of us on DU would be hoarse from shouting. She's been on the ground from the start. We are on the sidelines.

My nephew an ex-lobster boat captain from Massachusetts is in there with the Red Cross. He says it looks like a nuke hit the towns and villages, that no one is getting in to help. They have supplies but can't get to the areas of need. A slow horrific disaster unfolding. Trump's Katrina. Only worse. When they do get in some of the smaller outlying areas just a few miles from San Juan, the people report no other contact with first responders or FEMA.

We need to cut her some slack. Point fingers later.

Trump praises the male governor while blasting the female mayor.

The president tweeted. "The fact is that Puerto Rico has been destroyed by two hurricanes," he said on Twitter. "Big decisions will have to be made as to the cost of its rebuilding!" WTF???

[Hortensis]

46. Do you believe for a minute that our sensationalist media would fail

to show bodies floating around in that water? That if they could only find one body they'd display it on every news program all day every day? Sure people died during and after the hurricane from injuries and somevafter from needs not met. Just maybe things are bad but not as bad as her emotings suggest.

390,000 people in San Juan's city limits, 3.4 million people on an island ravaged by the worst hurricane ever. It's a matter of perspective, and maybe just look at other reports to develop one that approaches reality.

Of course I"m not going to "just stop" suggesting we be competent masters of our own minds.

[Generic Other]

47. Hortensis do you think media are getting any easier access?

Long lines, no power except in limited areas, authorities unable to communicate...

I lived in Guam as a kid when we had a storm that flattened the island. The military SAVED the day. The local authorities were overwhelmed. On military bases, we cleared our own streets of debris very quickly, but we had water trucks twice a day, free food distribution at mess halls and commissaries, massive collections of clothing and bedding for others, etc. All efficiently coordinated by democratic administration.

Two lives lost in initial typhoon. 80% of homes damaged or destroyed.

Puerto Ricans are in survival mode all over their island. Let us hope we do NOT see what you describe. Let us hope there are not more casualties after the fact that we have yet to see.

How easy it is for you to dismiss the deaths of even one individual as simply not that bad! I am disgusted by that response. When we have the resources and manpower to prevent such deaths, our military needs to make sure they do the job and to hell with the red tape and other BS.

Send in General Honore. I trust him to tell it like it is. I trust my nephew who is posting when he can find cell service. Not you. Unless of course you have your boots on the ground there to tell me differently.

[Hortensis]

50. Sure media are there. There is NO doubt that Puerto Rico is not getting

the support Texas and Florida did, and I believe this is for completely amoral, venal political reasons devoid of altruism.

Where we part is in whether it's appropriate to listen only to the passionate cries of one official and believe them implicitly without seeking other sources to develop a more detailed, rounded picture.

Just one of the things that made me wonder was a football player's wife on TV saying the mayor asked her to "send people!," "lots of people!," very emotionally. Not plumbers, not electricians, lab techs, not truck drivers, just "people." Literally, "people" unspecified.

This from the mayor of 390,000 "people, at least adults half out of work and needing food, water, housing, medical care organized relief projects to join. Other reports say people are pitching in eagerly when they see something they can help with. What I would expect to hear from her might be that she had organized citizen work crews but needed materials for them to work with and people with skills in short supply, but instead just a passionate "people!" "send people!" This wouldn't meet my standard for someone I'd appointed to head up the subcommittee setting up the tables for a PTA bake sale.

[Generic Other]

54. The less panicked she sounds

the less other Americans think there is need.

Remember Bush and "heckuva job" Brownie?

[Hortensis]

59. Know what you mean, but you can overdo anything.

There are diminishing returns on passionate emoting, and in this case it didn't work that way for everyone. I had tears in my eyes the first time and doubts welling instead as time went on. Confidence in her certainly wasn't encouraged by her backing off somewhat on her statements the very next morning, when believers might have expected reports of many more people dying and the whole city 12 hours closer to widespread "genocide." Nor did the statements of other officials on that island that in some cases specifically did not support hers inspire confidence.

As for those who need to be "swept away" with hyperbole to care, should the media pander to them by filling news programs with emotional hyperbole instead of facts?

Critical thinking. More needed these days than ever.

[Generic Other]

61. So go after the real enemies not the poor suffering people

TRUMP is the one golfing while Puerto Ricans are suffering.

Only Faux News and Geraldo saying there have been few casualties REPORTED by the way.

Lt. Gen. Buchanan is saying it is the worst he's ever seen. He says he doesn't know how much worse it is in the countryside.

I am through trying to argue with you. I need to find a way to send my nephew and the Massachusetts Bay volunteer Red Cross workers money because Him I trust.

[Hortensis]

65. But "going after" poor, suffering people is SUCH fun. I'll never stop, never!

[NastyRiffraff]

68. So you take the word of a "football player's wife"

over someone ON THE GROUND, wading through water with a bullhorn, and desperately pleading for help for her people? You have NO IDEA what the "football player's wife" heard from the mayor. Except, of course, you take her word as gospel because that's what you WANT to believe, that she, and not the mayor, meets YOUR "standards."

Try, just TRY, to picture yourself as someone responsible for 390,000 people, scared that there will be deaths because of lack of water, food, and medical equipment. You're going to sit behind your keyboard and type that you would be "emoting"? You're going to type that you wouldn't be scared and begging for help? My god.

[Hortensis]

69. The player's wife wasn't contradicting, she was spreading the mayor's message,

calling for others to join in to help. She and her husband were already working in PR relief -- with the mayor, had already been to PR after Maria, came back and were both about to leave for PR again. The statement she related came after she asked the mayor what she would be able to do if they wrote her a check for $25K earmarked for some kids who needed medical attention. The mayor said it wasn't money that was needed right now, don't send money, send people, they need people.

This is all making me wonder why some enterprising person hasn't created a left-wing Fox. The simple message that people should apply critical thinking to their viewing is rejected out of hand.

By the way, psychologists say the typical politically engaged person bypasses thinking altogether to go straight to pre-programmed emotion when political subjects come up. Might give that one thought also.

Are most of US actually effectively stupider and MORE ignorant than the average person who pays no attention to politics?

[NastyRiffraff]

71. Oh. My. God.

Isn't there ANY way of not rec-ing a post? That one is just plain evil. But, you sure do know how to underline! Congrats!

[Hortensis]

72. Here's another one: This mayor's become an icon.

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Any suggestion that she might not be perfect thus becomes evil and is not just rejected out of hand, but the person who spoke becomes an enemy.

How is this different from the right-wing's behavior, and intellectual vacuum, when their icons, such as Trump, are criticized?

It's no different.

CBS, Saturday evening: "After asking for volunteers to drive trucks due to a shortage of drivers, the governor watched today as truckers pulled out of gates at the port of San Juan, hauling supplies to grocery stores around the island. More than 50 percent of gas stations are back up and running. Home phone service has been restored to 30 percent of the island, and 10,000 people are still living in shelters.

That's out of a population of 3.4 million.

USA Today, 8:14 this morning: "In Old San Juan, signs that the capital city's historic district is slowly coming back to life began to emerge Saturday, with people walking through the narrow, brick roads and cars lining the streets. Many restaurants in the district were open -- with limited menus -- and a drug store and a grocery store, both still without power, were open for business."

Money.CNN: The Department of Defense said Saturday that 62 of Puerto Rico's 69 hospitals have been assessed, though only one is fully operational. It added that 55% are partially open and at least five are shut down.

I heard better numbers for the hospitals on TV today, more than that 55% substantially up but not all services restored.

These numbers are undoubtedly improved by now, after another full day of impending genocide. The recorded death count is still at 16, but of course will rise substantially into the dozens, perhaps hundreds.

[NastyRiffraff]

74. You're sure spending a lot of time on this

trying to prove your "point." NOBODY is saying there hasn't been improvement; it would be very odd if there hadn't been, largely because of the people of Puerto Rico, not because of typists trashing a Puerto Rican mayor.

[LuckyCharms]

45. wtf

[anneboleyn]

53. Fuck those posts are 💩 I have had it with this shit!!! Even FOX NEWS IS SAYING THIS IS HORRIBLE

Fucking Fox News is saying that is a horrific catastrophe and showing all of the people stranded in sweltering buildings without water or electricity or medicine or food -- saying that gas lines are still over four hours long. And a DU poster wants to sow doubt about the fucking mayor?! Claim that we need "more sources" to determine if the images before our eyes are "true?"

They, as in Fox fucking News (showing more compassion than a DU member?), highlighted one story as it was said there are thousands just like this one -- of an elderly woman with a broken hip who is trapped on the seventh floor of her building as the elevator does not work. Her two elderly relatives are doing their best to bring her water and food. She has urinated on her sheets. She is crying and moaning in agony without proper medications. No washing machines to clean sheets. Medications not available as THOUSANDS ARE SUFFERING. I think some people have no fucking idea and frankly it makes me sick. They should retreat back into their fantasy worlds this Sunday. I'd like to say a lot more...

Just fuck.

[Generic Other]

57. Thank you

I agree. People without insulin die. People without dialysis die. People without meds die. People without water die. People without food die. Poor people who depend on Trump die. These are facts. Not opinions.

[LuckyCharms]

66. For the life of me...

If someone says they need help, then they need help. No need to inject anything else into it. I am not sure why people online tend to do that.

Good response by you. Thank you.

[RKP5637]

2. The guy is so damn mentally ill just to begin with ... n/t

[orangecrush]

8. And he just keeps going

Headlong to his undoing.

[rockfordfile]

3. Un-American Trump

[orangecrush]

11. Un - Earthling Trump

From Planet Asshole.

[bdamomma]

48. and inhumane

he only cares about himself....he will/can burn in HELL!

He has so much hate I hope it consumes him.

[spanone]

4. is he flying down there just to flip them off? wouldn't surprise me one bit.

i'm sure by 'ingrates' he means the mayor of san juan who refuses to kiss his ass.

[orangecrush]

12. Wonder what kind of reception

He thinks he'll get now?

[spanone]

13. hey should stay the hell away from there...it's just a photo op...he'll only be in the way

[orangecrush]

15. And divert desperately needed resources.

[spanone]

17. exactly

[HipChick]

6. All building have not been inspected...

why is he spouting this crap?

[orangecrush]

10. Psycho

Is all I can come up with.

[anneboleyn]

55. As usual, he's blathering blatant lies. Disgusting. The media knows this isn't even remotely true.

[hlthe2b]

9. I think the death counts are being "blocked" from being accurately reported

There need to be updates-- accurate ones. Granted this is difficult, but would normally be ongoing.

[orangecrush]

14. I took a CERTs course

If protocol is followed, a reasonably accurate count shouldn't be impossible.

If the numbers are being cooked, it's probably Trump appointees higher up the chain.

Just my guess.

[marylandblue]

35. They probably have more important things to do than tally deaths

[orangecrush]

60. like consult with their lawyers for upcoming Mueller interviews

[tblue37]

25. Jerk Geraldo Rivera told San Juan mayor Carmen Yulin Cruz,

"I don't see people dying," as though she were lying about how dire the situation was!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

51. Jerry Rivers can go to hell with the rest of his Faux News thugs!! What a worthless POS!!

[Not Ruth]

34. Even if you do not have a "death" count, you should have an accurate "missing" count with names

For instance, your town has 1000 people listed as residents, you know where 500 are. The others may have evacuated, sheltered, or are sick or dead. Regardless, they are missing and should be named.

Facebook also has a disaster plan that would complement this.

https://www.facebook.com/safetycheck/hurricane-maria-sep17-2017/about/

[bdamomma]

49. Is there another news media out in

Puerto Rico reporting the truth perhaps the BBC they probably have a lot more to say.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41452995

[HipChick]

58. I wondered about that...with Katrina, I thought there were daily public updates

from folks in charge....not heck-of-a-job FEMA dude.

[Va Lefty]

18. To answer your question... I doubt it.

[njhoneybadger]

19. Is the pos potus channeling Bagdad Bob

[orangecrush]

22. More like Putin

[C_U_L8R]

20. We are all ingrates

Trump only appreciates the Trumpsuckers.

[orangecrush]

23. Truth

[Algernon Moncrieff]

21. Remember when he said he wouldn't have time to golf?

[orangecrush]

28. We have determined

That was a lie.

[Dave Starsky]

36. That's really disappointing.

He seemed so honest.

[TheCowsCameHome]

24. I'll be gentle and tactful here....

FUCK YOU, TRUMP.

How's that?

[rzemanfl]

27. +1 n/t.

[Moostache]

29. A little too gentle if I do so say...

Fuck your entire gene pool Trump, the world becomes a better place the very second you stop breathing forever....please make the world better soon.

[orangecrush]

31. pretty accurate

I did better after I read his asshole twees, though.

[flygal]

40. shit that's too nice

even my 75 year old mother has said that. LOL

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

52. Say what you really mean!

[irisblue]

26. I imagine that the clearing of the runway @ the airport

for AF1 is the only useful part of this photo op planned trip.

[orangecrush]

32. That's about it

[Motley13]

30. She is not criticizing the hard work that FEMA & others are doing, it was a slow response

AND PEOPLE ARE DYING.

[orangecrush]

33. I really like her

Trump is a psychopath and can't understand a woman like that.

That's why he has Melaniabot.

[Sugar Smack]

38. Carmen Yulin Cruz makes donald trump look like phlegm on the sidewalk.

She's doing exactly what she must, getting no sleep, and doing her job saturated, waterlogged, with pressure beyond belief. She loves every single one of her people. Just wants to protect them.

And Donald trump isn't worth shit & a woman of color is "threatening" his little ego.

I'm speechless.

[colsohlibgal]

39. This Spoiled Creep Has No Shame

He is so many things....spoiled, rich, perverted, sociopathic, narcissistic, mysogynistic, racist, creepy, unlkeable.

His going after Mayor Cruz like this is sick even for him, and all of it lies and fiction.

I hope the USA survives this horrible aberration, this nightmare.

[Shrike47]

41. Ingrates? Americans should be like dogs and be grateful for every scrap he throws.

[pangaia]

42. Can we survive this administration? NOT if we don't wake up...fast.

And more importantly.... since I'll bet a much higher percentage of folks here know what is going on than those not here.... wake OTHERS up.


It doesn't matter, in a way, what it is each day, or what happens tomorrow
It goes much deeper than that...
It is NON-LINEAR WARFARE.

PR, POC, immigrants, NFL, library books, grocery store selling diapers on the wrong day.. nothing matters to the enemy in this battle... EXCEPT disruption... disruption of society. disruption of government.

It is intended to be too much for a person to absorb... exhausting, distraction-- THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT. Confusion, get people to just give up.

It is a tactic to bring down western democracy!!
Well, WE WON"T GIVE UP.

We need to deal with the day to day insanity, but at the same time, and maybe even MORE importantly, keep our eyes focused on the big picture of what is happening..


Surkov, Dugin- look them up.. plus Putin and Bannon and others..

[orangecrush]

62. Duginism

I have posted several o.p.s on it.

Yes, they want to bring down the West, and what we are witnessing is their strategy.

[pangaia]

73. Bravo!!!

I think over and over we have to keep hammering this point.. here and outside here...

get people to not be blinded by all the vines in the jungle and get on top of it and see the big picture...


I doubt 1% of Americans know what is really going on. Hell, I don't and I know 1000% more than most.

[procon]

44. He's lying, there are people in remote areas that still have no access roads.

No one has reached many of those small communities or isolated homes. And the FEMA guy is more concerned about a roll call headcount of Puerto Rican officials attending his morning stage shows than getting out in the field.

[Scurrilous]

56. K&R

[orangecrush]

63. Thanks

[underpants]

64. Wow. Just wow.

[Docreed2003]

67. All buildings now inspected...???

A). Is he saying every building on PR has been inspected??

B). If point A is correct, that dude is out of his damn mind....a lie of epic proportions!

[LuckyCharms]

70. He thinks he can just tweet this shit out with no scrutiny.

All buildings inspected.

Sure.

[orangecrush]

80. reality

is completely subjective to him.

He's that much of an asshole.

[Nevernose]

75. I'll rephrase this thread so Republicans can understand

Presidents aren't supposed to act like this. It's small, mean, and petty, and makes Trump look far worse than whoever he's criticizing. Neither does he need to defend himself or "go after" anyone who "attacks" him. He's already won. He's the president. The election is over. "Defending himself" is completely pointless and is done purely from insecurity.

[orangecrush]

79. well said

thanks.

[Tumbulu]

76. I don't think we will, at least as a nation

The goal from day one was to disband the union, second goal was to drive liberals crazy.

[Eliot Rosewater]

77. Human garbage and worse is 50 million of our neighbors and coworkers LOVE that he

shows this much HATE for brown people.

[MFM008]

78. I don't want HIM to survive

This administration.

One day someone is going to snap....

[Blue_Tires]

81. Nazis...

[orangecrush]

82. exactly