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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRemember when Cornel West tweeted about "Brother Trump"? I do. Reason enough
not to ever listen to anything he says, ever.
Bernie's supporters should be outraged that West lumped him in with Trump.
Link to tweet
melman
(7,681 posts)Do you seriously think it's not obvious what you're doing here?
pnwmom
(108,994 posts)no matter who they supported in the last election.
Cornel West spoke favorably of Trump. That should make you sick.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Has Cornel West done something recently to annoy you, or is this a trip down memory lane?
pnwmom
(108,994 posts)and 2015 is when he started to run for President.
Cornel West bears part of the responsibility for Trump's election, along with Jill Stein and anyone else who encouraged progressives to vote for Trump or throw their votes away.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)Response to maddiemom (Reply #51)
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betsuni
(25,618 posts)used to oppose gay marriage, and who campaigned against Obama using racist dogwhistles) are immediately forgiven and any mention of them treated as right wing smears." And calling us "so called progressive people."
Um, this is a forum for Democrats.
JHan
(10,173 posts)accomplishing what I don't know -Personally, I've despised West for approx 4 years now. His fuckeries in 2016 just confirmed what I already knew.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)Response to maddiemom (Reply #78)
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betsuni
(25,618 posts)(say a certain former Senator who not only voted for the Iraq war but who advocated for it, and who used to oppose gay marriage, and who campaigned against Obama using racist dogwhistles) are immediately forgiven and any mention of them treated as right wing smears." You're bashing Hillary Clinton.
Why is this still here?
melman
(7,681 posts)If it were you could just post that tweet by itself.
Instead, you deliberately included the tweet from bravenak, along with the hateful hashtag that goes with it.
pnwmom
(108,994 posts)Cornel West is a phony, just like Jill Stein.
Not buying this. Your intention here is clear.
pnwmom
(108,994 posts)VermontKevin
(1,473 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)You see it there don't you?
melman
(7,681 posts)VermontKevin
(1,473 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)VermontKevin
(1,473 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)lol
George II
(67,782 posts)...about it? That would be easy, wouldn't it?
betsuni
(25,618 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)Don't you?
George II
(67,782 posts)...I have a facebook signon but haven't used it in years. I needed it to subscribe to a magazine years ago.
melman
(7,681 posts)Just click on where it says BernieMemories and it will show every tweet that includes that tag.
George II
(67,782 posts)"Brother Bernie and Brother Trump are authentic human beings in stark contrast to their donor-driven opponents"?
Few seem to want to address that, but put up smoke screens and diversions instead.
Remember, Cornell West was an early supporter and surrogate for the Senator. He seem to have nicer things to say about trump than the Democratic candidate.
melman
(7,681 posts)I believe the whole point was to post that hashtag and the tweets connected to it.
George II
(67,782 posts)Cary
(11,746 posts)Do you seriously think it's not obvious what you're doing here?
Sorry that doesn't work...or really even make sense tbh.
Cary
(11,746 posts)I agree.
George II
(67,782 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)Response to pnwmom (Reply #2)
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Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)We must never forget how Trump was elected and who helped...be watchful for 18 and 20. West will stab us in the back again and again.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Oh, dear. Reminds me that West endorsed Jill Stein and her whackadoodle co, Ajamu Baraka. Baraka was hardly an admirer in return. He said West was "sheep-dogging for the Democrats" by "drawing voters into the corrupt Democratic party." Of course he would.
Seriously, though, in 2018 and 2020 these types will be trying to dissuade voters from supporting Democrats and they should be discussed. Those their messages ping with will join them as before, but they'll also be trying to draw newcomers to politics who don't yet have the info they need to evaluate them.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)Trump the destructor was a very bad move and have repented.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)How he gets to be a professor in an ivy league school is beyond me.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)pnwmom
(108,994 posts)how he ever got to be at Harvard and Princeton is beyond me.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)a lot more carefully in his early days, like most eager, ambitious bright young people. He would have been much more disciplined and earned his appointments by producing conscientiously.
There's a long list of public people still around who elevated themselves then self destructed.
Look at Gingrich, once hugely powerful speaker of the house, reduced to years of gadflying, pushing for attention to his keep name brand from expiring so he could sell scummy books and fake cancer cures. He's been mentioned in a lot of discussions of personality disorder, speculation of course but by knowledgeable observers.
(Another gadfly payoff, of course, is that his wife was just named ambassador to the Vatican. Only in a trumpster-fire administration, though. Poor Vatican.)
mdbl
(4,973 posts)will wonders never cease.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)though perhaps never anyone so ruthlessly lacquered.
no doubt.
MariaCSR
(642 posts)disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)divider none the less... go figure
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)This what that extremism expert meant who summarized left wing extremists as "hating themselves" (as in the systems they see themselves belonging to and as opposed to their counterparts on the right who "hate everyone else." . It also displays the profound dishonesty typically required to support their twisted attitudes.
You're so right West's readers should have been outraged and too many weren't, yet another example. Most burn-down-the-establishment populist types and anti-mainstream leftists undoubtedly skipped directly to the insult to everyone but themselves and wallowed in this silly political bigotry.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)Last edited Wed Oct 18, 2017, 05:52 AM - Edit history (1)
I won't. We need to win the next election...I hope we can take the Senate in 18 ...and we must by 20 or we lose the judiciary..and then it doesn't much matter who wins...the GOP has 30 + years to ram their agenda through with the courts. The year is 2017 not 1968...and by the way folks, the Republicans won in 68 (Humphrey),72 (McGovern),80(Carter),84(Mondale,88 (Dukakis)...think about that. Clinton saved the courts...then back to Republicans because Gore just wasn't good enough for the green and left left riffraff...eight years of George Bush...previously the worst president. Then we had our own version of FDR...President Obama who saved our economy, the auto industry and gave us our only healthcare program in the history of this country. The Green riffraff and left left attacked him mercilessly. They had a collective Temper tantrum over single payer which was not possible and we lost in 10...poof any chance we had of getting anything done goes up in smoke. To be fair any party that touches healthcare pays a price so the GOP may well fine after they kill thousands that they killed their electoral chances as well...hope so.
2016 Comes along. With help from the Green riffraff and the usual suspects ET AL, Hillary Clinton, one of the most accomplished women ever to run for president is defeated...with some help from the Russian too of course. And now we have probably the most dangerous president of them all...a sexual predator that Cornell West found 'authentic' ...fuck Cornell West.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Neither competent balanced judgement nor ethical behaviors are associated with tendencies to extremism.
Personally, as I worry every day about the survival of our democracy, I appreciate "boring" candidates more than ever. Give me a serious, ambitious policy wonk over an exciting demagogue any day of my lifetime. When I want charisma and entertainment, I can watch a movie.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)I don't want a revolution (17 years waiting now)...just a win for my party.
Brogrizzly
(145 posts)N/t
betsuni
(25,618 posts)Still becomes unhinged over Hillary Clinton.
On Real Time with Bill Maher earlier this year:
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Drahtaardogs called him. In full trumpian mode, actually.
This is yet another excellent example of the intellectual dishonesty extremism requires. He lied and grossly distorted reality every bit as much in the first half I listened to as Trump does.
betsuni
(25,618 posts)He's triggered by the mention of Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton, maybe all Democrats.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)or what he remembers of it, triggered by the audience? Signs of dementia? It's very hard to imagine this person ever impressing anyone at Princeton, wouldn't happen.
I'm guessing all Democrats. If this nastiness toward the people we vote for isn't turned directly on us it's only because we're held in too much contempt to split attention on.
He also had a little problem, I recall, with all the "Jews" supposedly surrounding Obama. A big fluorescent warning flag, not that yet another had been needed.
pnwmom
(108,994 posts)no matter what they say in the future.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)In West's case, he's no kid. He's not still "finding" himself.
He has a real brilliance that combined with ambition and desire for acclaim elevated him, but he self destructed as his behaviors became more scrutinized.
Wait and see, Brogrizzly. He went quiet for a while after blowback from 2016. He went to counterprotest in Charlotte, and good for that. Interestingly, though, he claimed his life was seriously endangered. That's certainly possible, but it seems a little strange for such a public figure that it was never corroborated.
Maybe watch and judge for yourself if he's changed?
Addendum: Just watched that Betsuni's video with Maher. Oh, my! Well, watch him coming up to 2018 anyway. First-person observations are always desirable.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)And what he said about Pres. Obama which I won't repeat here...look it up is unforgivable.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)though his vast disapproval was no doubt real, and certainly a black "intellectual" criticizing Obama was an easy way to get national attention. Most people would have no idea who he was if not for that.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)Everyone says how smart he is...personally, I don't see it...he throws big words around that are meaningless unless used to insult or defame...word salad. He is the Sarah Palin of the intellectual community. No one understands a god damn word he says most of the time...but they nod encouragingly.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)has always been useful for expressing ideas with only a shred of viability as more than they are. Tweets don't enable that verbal forest.
But the man who can no longer get an appointment at Harvard or Princeton in his 60s was a different man when he worked there in his 20s and 30s.
Sarah Palin? Have to confess I don't see it, Dems. Bernie Sanders, though more educated, is the one who strikes me as more of her counterpart. They're both very charismatic and effective motivational speakers but that's mostly all. Both proving astonishingly, shockingly (him anyway) ignorant about how they would accomplish their goals. Whatever you say about what West has made of it, he was very well educated and studied everything he could find on his passions, something we learned the others never did.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)meaningless really. He is certainly smarter than she is...but not very wise if you know what mean.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Just heard some word salad on that video and see what you mean there also. I remember a different, more eloquent and coherent West from the past.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)know what happened to him...vanity, intellectual laziness...attention seeking?
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)But I'm guessing this guy's behaviors probably also arise from various characteristics of his personality, as all ours do.
I suspect that anyone who develops a strong, chronic belief system that can only be supported with lies, lies, and more lies and that requires continual rejection of obvious truths, things that literally can be measured or are documented on video for instance, has more than one wire misconnected.
We're talking about this guy, of course, because he is behaving in controversial and attention-grabbing ways, not because he's one of thousands of university professors and other intellectuals who don't.
unc70
(6,119 posts)Really?!
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)each other, of course. Plus, he's definitely one of a kind, far too individual to be replaced or subbed by anyone else.
But as I watched Sanders over time and he was compared now and then to various people, the most similar public figure who came to my mind was Palin.
The huge, most striking similarity, of course, is the fabulous talent both they have for inspiring and exciting audiences. If Hillary had Sanders' talent, she'd have wiped the floor with Obama, and he's hardly a slouch on a stage himself. If Martin O'Malley had it instead of of Sanders, Sanders'd still be just a face in pictures with an I by his name. As it is, though, when it comes to influencing audiences, Palin and Sanders are far above all recent others. Including Trump.
It was only later that a second similarity leaped out at me: during the NYT and WaPo editorial interviews, when Sanders revealed he had no idea HOW he would use executive power to achieve his goals, in spite of arguing for them for over 40 years, including 25 in congress.
(Finally get a use for this.)
Of course, no one ever bothered to ask Palin how one might use the Fed or any other department of government for anything at all, much less how to make single payer happen. Would have taken too long just to explain to her what the Fed was. Sanders has some understanding.
But, in any case, compared to all other recent candidates, they were each alone in their own special class in their stupefying lack of preparation for the positions they were running for or might in future.
They also strick me more alike than not in their great conviction in the righteousness of their cause, hers right wing religious faith of course, his left wing, but both absolutely certain that only they have the answers and the Democratic Party is wrong about everything.
Oh, well.
unc70
(6,119 posts)Yours seems to be a very negative one.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I started extremely interested in Elizabeth Warren, moved to Sanders when he presented himself to us, watched him closely and eagerly, and now I'd hope he'd never be my best choice to run an animal shelter, much less be president in 2020.
It's not issues. We share most of those, and income disparity and destroying uberwealthy class are at the top of my agenda these days. My objection is specifically to him. He does not meet my standards in several critical areas. If he ever wanted my vote, he should have kept the issues but behaved more, in fact, like a typical Democratic candidate.
But to each their own.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)maddiemom
(5,106 posts)JHan
(10,173 posts)he expected special treatment from Obama, he wanted to be lauded, to be given a seat at the table.
When he didn't get it, he started to turn nasty.I suspect that's the level of petty we're dealing with.
lillypaddle
(9,581 posts)coolsandy
(479 posts)That is why mistakes are repeated throughout history.
Sienna86
(2,149 posts)I believe this hurts the party.
JHan
(10,173 posts)West despises the Democratic Party.
Orrex
(63,224 posts)Ask him if he recants that wrong statement, and ask about his recent anti-Hillary diatribes, and ask why he continues the decisiveness.
And please share his responses here. Thanks!
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)Nothing wrong with being able to make decisions quickly.
You know what hurts the party? Crazy idiots who pump up Republicans and Greens while trashing Democrats. That is called divisiveness and it is Wests specialty. Dude went round the looney bin a long time ago.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)pnwmom
(108,994 posts)and not be duped by him again.
JHan
(10,173 posts)Ever since his delusional belief that Obama made some promise to him that was broken, he became bitter - especially after 2012 , when his beef with Obama took a personal turn.
He is now an arsonist.
I hope he's satisfied that he helped destroy the candidacy of the "neoliberal" , because Trump is so "authentic" and the same as his opponent or better - ( wrap your head around a mind that would think that foolishness)
The way he wielded his influence in a razor thin election should serve as a reminder of how he's forever on shit.
Renew Deal
(81,871 posts)LexVegas
(6,094 posts)democrank
(11,104 posts)Post after post after post after post.
Stir the pot
Whack the hornet's nest
Widen the gap
Highlight the differences
Haven't we had enough division?
Isn't it time to unite to fight Trump and his enablers?
yardwork
(61,703 posts)Ignoring them didnt work. Now we have to call them out and soundly renounce their tactics.
VermontKevin
(1,473 posts)pnwmom
(108,994 posts)phleshdef
(11,936 posts)Dude sits around and memorizes shit out of the dictionary. Thats all there is to his tired gimmick. I can't stand to watch Real Time when he is a guest. He doesn't know when to shut the fuck up.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)The dude has lost his fucking mind.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)so he'll always have a reserved seat at the purity left table...
still_one
(92,395 posts)irrational they are
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mountain grammy
(26,648 posts)the House of Representatives, the Senate, and, soon, a SCOTUS majority. But, by all means, let's vilify Cornell West.
pnwmom
(108,994 posts)mcar
(42,372 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,008 posts)Its one of those timeless comments that will stay disgusting forever
ecstatic
(32,731 posts)his recent smackdowns of Paris Dennard on CNN. Still, when CW gets called out on his activity in the last election, he deflects and still refuses to take responsibility. He bashed Pres. Obama relentlessly for petty personal reasons. He has never given a shit about the poor, working, or middle class. He had no problem taking money from truly corrupt corporations like Wells Fargo (he should give that money back!!!). Uggh. Next!
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)being authentic. That said, if West is speaking to anything but the bigotry, misogyny or callousness Trump wears on his sleeve, nothing else about that man is even remotely authentic or sincere, and never has been, so for West to be that wrong on this man's character would be pretty baffling.
pnwmom
(108,994 posts)But we all know the kinds of things he was saying about Hillary and Obama.
Link to tweet
?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailykos.com%2Fstory%2F2016%2F5%2F28%2F1532080%2F-If-you-praise-Sanders-and-Trump-that-is-good-If-you-compare-Sanders-to-Trump-that-is-bad