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louis c

(8,652 posts)
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 10:05 AM Oct 2017

Wow. A quote that explains so much with so few words.

Democracy Quotes

There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.

Isaac Asimov 1980

Link:
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/84250-anti-intellectualism-has-been-a-constant-thread-winding-its-way-through

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Wow. A quote that explains so much with so few words. (Original Post) louis c Oct 2017 OP
Asimov's a hero of mine lagomorph777 Oct 2017 #1
A negative side effects of democracy, perhaps.. whathehell Oct 2017 #2
True, and I've been thinking a lot about that lately.. mountain grammy Oct 2017 #8
Think about what Winston said.. whathehell Oct 2017 #25
what we have is elite rule maxsolomon Oct 2017 #11
Yes not fooled Oct 2017 #15
The wealthy elite, as we can see with Trump, can be as ignorant whathehell Oct 2017 #23
That "cult of ignorance" is not limited to America, as whathehell Oct 2017 #29
Agreed! n/t Myrddin Oct 2017 #47
if more people voted it wouldn't be this way. Mosby Oct 2017 #45
Winston is with you Lucky Luciano Oct 2017 #22
Yes.. whathehell Oct 2017 #24
Also.... tomp Oct 2017 #31
Ahh yes - another great one!! nt Lucky Luciano Oct 2017 #43
education should be the cure but the financial elite are kneecapping that yurbud Oct 2017 #38
"The cult of ignorance" YES hvn_nbr_2 Oct 2017 #3
So true Clarity2 Oct 2017 #4
Jon Stewart spoke of that in respect to President Obama bigbrother05 Oct 2017 #28
He spoke to the ignorant man. Tobin S. Oct 2017 #40
It SO did not start with 45 Cosmocat Oct 2017 #52
Don't you know that being educated is a bad thing? zanana1 Oct 2017 #5
A majority of Republicans now believe that colleges have a negative impact on American tblue37 Oct 2017 #33
USA Today is one of the MSN that has the story Virtual Burlesque Oct 2017 #48
K&R smirkymonkey Oct 2017 #6
I keep this on my desktop....and send it to people who mtngirl47 Oct 2017 #7
An incredibly true quote, thank you. Left-over Oct 2017 #9
What has changed since 1980 is that the ignorant have more/bigger soapboxes. thesquanderer Oct 2017 #10
Asimov is one of my favorite writers and not just in Science Fiction lunatica Oct 2017 #12
Not only in fiction, but non-fiction. Dave Starsky Oct 2017 #18
K&R! KPN Oct 2017 #13
+ 1 iluvtennis Oct 2017 #14
"Ignorance is Strength" alterfurz Oct 2017 #16
Asimov has always been one of my heros, he gets it. lark Oct 2017 #17
Ignorance has been promoted by Republicans, with "insults" such as "egghead" (Adlai WinkyDink Oct 2017 #19
And before Asimov was Richard Hofstadter and the 1963 book "Anti-Intellectualism WinkyDink Oct 2017 #20
I read that in college. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2017 #26
In this case: Alas. I used to tell h.s. students that thinking is hard work. If it weren't, more WinkyDink Oct 2017 #35
Wow again tiptonic Oct 2017 #21
"willful ignorance as a badge of honor" Motley13 Oct 2017 #27
I love Asimov. CrispyQ Oct 2017 #30
There is a famous book about American anti-intellectualism: tblue37 Oct 2017 #32
See Post #20. 😀 WinkyDink Oct 2017 #36
and it is getting worse every single day. niyad Oct 2017 #34
You can lead a person to knowledge, but you can't make them think. WheelWalker Oct 2017 #37
And the reason is... TwistOneUp Oct 2017 #39
Much too simplistic an analysis. Try again. Hekate Oct 2017 #51
I like it! KPN Oct 2017 #53
Wisdom does not lie bucolic_frolic Oct 2017 #41
From the comic strip Frank and Earnest Bob Loblaw Oct 2017 #42
I'm with you... Wow. liberalla Oct 2017 #44
K&MFR! Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2017 #46
A toast to Asimov -- so sad, and so true Hekate Oct 2017 #49
Asimov never imagined dealing with so many Deplorable Dumbfucks. oasis Oct 2017 #50

mountain grammy

(26,621 posts)
8. True, and I've been thinking a lot about that lately..
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 11:09 AM
Oct 2017

looks like the side effects may turn out to be fatal.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
11. what we have is elite rule
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 11:30 AM
Oct 2017

with a veneer of democracy.

the elite are the wealthy elite, the kakistocrats and their hirelings, not the scientific or cultural elite.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
15. Yes
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 11:55 AM
Oct 2017

100% agree. The installation of dump and the more open looting of the country under his "presidency" just makes it a little more obvious. What is good for the American people and what they want--e.g., health care--gets little or no serious consideration. What the wealthy and corporations want prevails.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
23. The wealthy elite, as we can see with Trump, can be as ignorant
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 01:07 PM
Oct 2017

as the poor. Were Assimov now alive, I think he'd agree.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
29. That "cult of ignorance" is not limited to America, as
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 01:18 PM
Oct 2017

as the recent post BREXIT Google search for the definition of the European Union illustrates.

 

tomp

(9,512 posts)
31. Also....
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 01:30 PM
Oct 2017

..."
the best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter."

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
38. education should be the cure but the financial elite are kneecapping that
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 03:20 PM
Oct 2017

through privatization, standardized testing, and everything possible to suck the life out of it--and suck the money out if and divert it into their own pockets.

hvn_nbr_2

(6,486 posts)
3. "The cult of ignorance" YES
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 10:32 AM
Oct 2017

We should be hearing this phrase every day, and we should be using it every day.

Trumpzis = cult of ignorance = deplorables = cult of ignorance = ...

"Fake news" is the mantra of the cult of ignorance.

Clarity2

(1,009 posts)
4. So true
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 10:35 AM
Oct 2017

So many trumpsters that voted for Trump because he spoke to the "common man". He dumbed things down.

Except we should NEVER accept an ignoramus as president. We WANT them to be smarter than us. A lot smarter! Drop your ego and get over yourselves. Someone running this country better know wth they're doing. I realize nothing can prepare you completely for the job of President, but you best be intelligent enough to catch on fast & you best have some kind of political background to prepare for the job.

I personally think trumpsters translate "elites" as intellectuals. Meanwhile we see the rich & powerful as elites (which includes their beloved leader).

bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
28. Jon Stewart spoke of that in respect to President Obama
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 01:17 PM
Oct 2017

Paraphrasing, "you bet I want an 'intellectual'. I want someone so smart he can read my mind or levitate the White House".

Tobin S.

(10,418 posts)
40. He spoke to the ignorant man.
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 05:16 PM
Oct 2017

I'm the common man and I have a good understanding on who better represents my interests when I step into the voting booth. Trump used social conservatism and outright regression on people to appeal to their ignorance and prejudices and conned them into voting against their own interests. Either that or they are the white supremacist true believers who will take the hit on the destruction of social programs that benefit them personally, and knew that was coming, to instigate what they thought would be actions taken by Trump to start the preservation of the white race in America. But although there is that element out there, I don't think most of them are that complex in their thinking.

About 40% of the electorate didn't cast a vote in the last election. They are mostly common people who don't feel like anyone in government truly represents them. Democrats need to start talking to those people. Those of us who keep up on political issues are often highly critical of those who do not even bother to vote. We see it is as their failure and say all kinds of unkind things about them. This is actually a failure of the political establishment in America. Establishment Republicans really like things just as they are in America right now. They are not going to try to try to represent that 40% because they know they aren't getting anyone there on board with them unless they make some serious changes, which they won't. As Democrats, we have in the history of our party the kinds of policies that will appeal to a great many of these people.

I spoke to one of those people here recently. He said he didn't bother with politics because he thought that most politicians were corrupted by special interest money and high dollar donors, and were more interested in trying to stay in power than doing the kinds of things that really help ordinary people. That is a politically astute observation.

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
52. It SO did not start with 45
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 07:43 AM
Oct 2017

17 years ago, the republicans foisted a hapless son of priviledge on the country with the proud refrain, parroted by the jackass media a million times, "a guy you would like to have a beer with!"

Cause, the super intelligent, capable and decent opponent was an elitist, can't have that!

You are right on the last point generally.

And, that is a nut that I have no clue how to crack.

zanana1

(6,113 posts)
5. Don't you know that being educated is a bad thing?
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 10:46 AM
Oct 2017

That's what's wrong with you smug, liberal elites. You should be ashamed to have a high school diploma. If you went to college, you must be punished.
I'm so tired of the "silent majority" mouthing off about intelligent people. We don't fight back about important things. So they think we look down on them? We should look down on them! For years, I tried to hold back for fear of hurting people's feelings. The hell with that; now I'll sound like a walking dictionary.

tblue37

(65,357 posts)
33. A majority of Republicans now believe that colleges have a negative impact on American
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 01:49 PM
Oct 2017

society. (A poll reported on a couple of weeks ago revealed that.)

thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
10. What has changed since 1980 is that the ignorant have more/bigger soapboxes.
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 11:15 AM
Oct 2017

So many more "news" sources, plus social media. It's so much easier now for people to share and spread their ignorance-based information.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
12. Asimov is one of my favorite writers and not just in Science Fiction
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 11:33 AM
Oct 2017

He was a brilliant man! I heard he's the only writer who had books published in every genre. I wonder if that's still true.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
18. Not only in fiction, but non-fiction.
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 12:21 PM
Oct 2017

Everything from science and math (naturally) to history, theology, and even collections of jokes.

I don't think anyone has rivaled his breadth and output. The only writer who I can think has approached it is Stephen King, and his nonfiction works center around writing.

lark

(23,099 posts)
17. Asimov has always been one of my heros, he gets it.
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 12:05 PM
Oct 2017

I was lucky enough to get a signed copy of one of his books from a friend that was good friends with Asimov and his wife.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
19. Ignorance has been promoted by Republicans, with "insults" such as "egghead" (Adlai
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 12:34 PM
Oct 2017

Stevenson) and "Harvard boutiques" (41, about Dukakis), and so on.

Republicans have always known that an uneducated electorate is easy to dupe into self-destruction.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
35. In this case: Alas. I used to tell h.s. students that thinking is hard work. If it weren't, more
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 02:04 PM
Oct 2017

people would do it.

tiptonic

(765 posts)
21. Wow again
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 12:48 PM
Oct 2017

I wish I had said that. Pretty much covers the state of the union and why we are, where we are. Hope that makes sense!!

CrispyQ

(36,464 posts)
30. I love Asimov.
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 01:23 PM
Oct 2017

The first scifi book I read was Asimov.

on edit:

The Last Question

http://multivax.com/last_question.html

My first sci fi short stories were an Asimov collection.

TwistOneUp

(1,020 posts)
39. And the reason is...
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 04:26 PM
Oct 2017

Organized religion.

Science flies a man to the moon;
Religion flies a man into a building.

KPN

(15,645 posts)
53. I like it!
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 10:25 AM
Oct 2017

Maybe as Hecate said, it isn't a complete explanation -- but it's definitely a big part of it today. I'll be using that one for sure!

BTW, welcome to DU.

bucolic_frolic

(43,161 posts)
41. Wisdom does not lie
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 05:27 PM
Oct 2017

in, as the Founders called it, mob rule, rule by the masses

The Electoral College was supposed to prevent this. As was Senators elected by state legislatures, one-man one-vote.

Mass media, gerrymandering, money in politics they did not foresee or prevent very well.

This one-party country has been engineered and planned for over 50 years, by many politicians, domestic and foreign.

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