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Since 2010, the Democratic Party has lost hundreds of congressional and state legislative seats. (Original Post) YoungDemCA Oct 2017 OP
The DNC is 180 from your position Chasstev365 Oct 2017 #1
That's a rather obtuse statement crazycatlady Oct 2017 #14
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ sheshe2 Oct 2017 #15
Thanks for sharing that. Very encouraging. n/t Tarheel_Dem Oct 2017 #26
Thanks for being fact based emulatorloo Oct 2017 #32
They just purged some Sanders supporters and stacked the the deck to get back to their status quo. CentralMass Oct 2017 #29
THANK YOU! Chasstev365 Oct 2017 #36
The Democratic National committee has absolutely nothing to do with Democratic policy. emulatorloo Oct 2017 #52
The Democratic National Commitee does not set Democratic policy or agenda. emulatorloo Oct 2017 #51
Because we admittedly suck at fearmongering and scapegoating minorities... Blue_Tires Oct 2017 #2
Maybe we ought to start the fearmongering and blaming the real criminals meow2u3 Oct 2017 #48
I think it best to examine why the seats were lost delisen Oct 2017 #3
Check back in come November 2018 and count how many hundreds of those seats we have regained. LonePirate Oct 2017 #4
Let's remember too that 2010 maxrandb Oct 2017 #12
We aren't supposed to remember that... Blue_Tires Oct 2017 #13
We're supposed to forget lots and lots of facts. emulatorloo Oct 2017 #33
What?!?!? EllieBC Oct 2017 #46
Was more subtle than that. I suspect that most were GOP operatives pretending to be our friends emulatorloo Oct 2017 #47
I think there is overlap. EllieBC Oct 2017 #53
++++++++ JHan Oct 2017 #35
I for one didn't expect any ponies. shanny Oct 2017 #50
I know I might get in trouble for saying this, but I am proud to be a Democrat. Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #5
I remember hearing of a 50 state strategy. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #6
You mean the one that created a Democratic majority in the House? underpants Oct 2017 #7
Yes, that was the one. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #8
Well truth be told, both parties like gerrymandering underpants Oct 2017 #9
A nice point. Safe districts benefit most incumbents. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #10
I would consider that fact of purity in our party that could not handle the Dems elected in those Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #19
I agree but at least have someone on the ballot. underpants Oct 2017 #28
Interesting. Thanks. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #54
Excellent point, can you imagine the moaning and groaning by folks stevenleser Oct 2017 #44
It is all we would hear and it is wrong. It is wrong to put forth an argument but an argument that Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #55
That was a great strategy mcar Oct 2017 #16
Exactly. But, let's ignore the problem to and real issues to complain unencumbered. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #20
You'll find it tends to be the norm mcar Oct 2017 #37
Well, if this is going to be the norm then the Op should understand they are reinforcing their Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #56
That was a big part, yes bearsfootball516 Oct 2017 #22
Me too mcar Oct 2017 #39
Exactly right. Look at Heath Shuler. Drunken Irishman Oct 2017 #34
Happened over and over again mcar Oct 2017 #40
Lay the plan on us, Young Dem from CA maxsolomon Oct 2017 #11
There are a lot of legitimate reasons that has nothing to do with bad policy. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #17
Might get worse before it gets better, CT could go red at the state level in 2018 Lurks Often Oct 2017 #18
We may never lose another seat thanks to Trump. ileus Oct 2017 #21
Try to keep up. This issue has been done to death for why that has happened. SharonClark Oct 2017 #23
I agree with you. Willie Pep Oct 2017 #24
Shelby County v. Holder lapucelle Oct 2017 #25
Because Dems voted for the stimulus and universal healthcare. And were demonized by Koch brothers emulatorloo Oct 2017 #27
Rarely do people acknowledge those fact, thank you bettyellen Oct 2017 #30
I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired of revisionist history emulatorloo Oct 2017 #31
Post removed Post removed Oct 2017 #38
Bush invaded Iraq in 2010? emulatorloo Oct 2017 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author CentralMass Oct 2017 #42
Facts: Bush invaded Iraq in '03. All TARP money paid back with interest. ACA a big leap emulatorloo Oct 2017 #45
Nope, that is assuming a cause you have not proven stevenleser Oct 2017 #43
The DNC is limited in what it can do in campaigns. LiberalFighter Oct 2017 #49
This post is just a variation of the "Democrats-Suck" theme... please stop. NurseJackie Oct 2017 #57
I wonder how much gerrymandering and voter suppression laws raccoon Oct 2017 #58

crazycatlady

(4,492 posts)
14. That's a rather obtuse statement
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 07:11 PM
Oct 2017

An email I received today from the DNC

crazycatlady--

I want to take a quick moment to talk about the state of the party today.

From Florida to Oklahoma to New Hampshire, Democrats have won special elections these past few months in districts that voted for Republicans last November.

We're investing in every race -- and we're not going to win them all, but we miss all of the shots we don't take. So, it's our job to show up whenever there's a chance to help another Democrat win -- including two weeks from now in Virginia and 48 days from now in Alabama.

That's why we're staffing up like never before to defeat Republicans this fall, next year, and beyond. We're making major investments to strengthen our state parties and put organizers on the ground in all 50 states.

This is the new DNC, Caroline. You are the new DNC. Let's get to work.

emulatorloo

(44,332 posts)
52. The Democratic National committee has absolutely nothing to do with Democratic policy.
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 10:56 PM
Oct 2017

It is primarily a fund raising organization. It organizes the DEmocratic Convention during presidential years.

It is not the Democratic Party.

emulatorloo

(44,332 posts)
51. The Democratic National Commitee does not set Democratic policy or agenda.
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 10:53 PM
Oct 2017

It is primarily a fund raising group for supporting Dem candidates in elections.

It is an administrative group.

It organizes the convention during presidential years.

It is not the Democratic Party. It does not set policy

I know some have bought into a lot of false CT spread by bad faith actors.

However the it not some all powerful Cabal. Anyone who tells you that is either ill informed or a liar.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
2. Because we admittedly suck at fearmongering and scapegoating minorities...
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 06:51 PM
Oct 2017

But if you have some alternate proposals, I'll be happy to hear them....

meow2u3

(24,819 posts)
48. Maybe we ought to start the fearmongering and blaming the real criminals
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 10:39 PM
Oct 2017

Namely, the repunks and corporate criminals acting above the law.

We can always start sensationalizing the truth. We just can no longer afford to present the facts in an intellectual manner; we must appeal to emotion because voters don't always respond to mere facts.

delisen

(6,069 posts)
3. I think it best to examine why the seats were lost
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 06:55 PM
Oct 2017

and why what actions were taken in states where they were lost.

At least we are reaching the first step-which is acknowledging that loses did not occur suddenly in 2016 as many seemed to believe as soon as election 2016 was over.



LonePirate

(13,484 posts)
4. Check back in come November 2018 and count how many hundreds of those seats we have regained.
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 06:55 PM
Oct 2017

The seats were lost because mid-term voters, particularly those in 2010, turned out in force to vote in protest of the Democratic president amidst all of the ACA furor. GOP voters were motivated and Dem voters were not. In 2018, those roles will be reversed as evidenced by the couple dozen special elections held since last November.

I don't think you are going to find the scapegoat you're seeking or the magical Fix It All Wizard, either.

maxrandb

(15,529 posts)
12. Let's remember too that 2010
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 07:10 PM
Oct 2017

Was a census year. Sitting home because Obama didn't give you a pony fucked this country for a fucking generation.

Clinton won VA by 5 points, yet Retrumplicans took 12 of the 16 House seats.

Don't sit out elections, but if you do, don't do so in a year where redistricting can set you back 50 years.

At least I can be secure in the fact that I'll fucking get to die during Retrumplican rule, unless I live to 110.

I know the Browns won't win a Superbowl in my lifetime, but I had hoped I might see a Democratic government.

That hope is dashed. Maybe my kids and grandkids can fix the mess we've made.

emulatorloo

(44,332 posts)
33. We're supposed to forget lots and lots of facts.
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 09:43 PM
Oct 2017

I don't forget. Including how the Mannys on DU insinuated that we sit home in 2010 to "protest."

emulatorloo

(44,332 posts)
47. Was more subtle than that. I suspect that most were GOP operatives pretending to be our friends
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 10:37 PM
Oct 2017

I am inclined to believe a fair number were GOP operatives/or Conservative trolls posing as "progressives" trying to depress Dem voter turnout by attacking Dems from the left w lies. (Obama is a secret Republican who wants to cut Social Security, ACA is evil blah blah blah)

EllieBC

(3,074 posts)
53. I think there is overlap.
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 11:01 PM
Oct 2017

Between the trolls and some progressives. Some, like Sarandon, advocate a "let it all burn" approach. The idea being that some Phoenix/unicorn filled party and government will rise from the ashes.

They are either ignorant or apathetic though to the great number of innocent people who will burn in the inferno as well.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
50. I for one didn't expect any ponies.
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 10:51 PM
Oct 2017

Unless bankers going to jail for fraud counts as a "pony."

underpants

(183,461 posts)
7. You mean the one that created a Democratic majority in the House?
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 06:58 PM
Oct 2017

It went bye bye. The DNC doesn't want to fight more than a few battles each election cycle and they do THAT badly.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
8. Yes, that was the one.
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 06:59 PM
Oct 2017

Imagine if, instead of focusing only on the few that are considered winnable, the Party contested every election. But the GOP money advantage would need to be countered with an organizing advantage.

underpants

(183,461 posts)
9. Well truth be told, both parties like gerrymandering
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 07:02 PM
Oct 2017

It keeps a core set of seats for each party and protects Congress people who hold great power. Basically they agree that about 40 seats are really up for grabs.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
10. A nice point. Safe districts benefit most incumbents.
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 07:03 PM
Oct 2017

And most incumbents are re-elected over and over.

 

Mediumsizedhand

(531 posts)
19. I would consider that fact of purity in our party that could not handle the Dems elected in those
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 08:05 PM
Oct 2017

areas. They were not pure enough for a faction of our party and an effort to not support them and get them out of office all the while knowing the purity test was not going to win in these areas. Can't have it both ways, as much of a challenge it is when they vote against us sometimes. Not nearly, even close to as often as the Republican in that seat.

underpants

(183,461 posts)
28. I agree but at least have someone on the ballot.
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 09:31 PM
Oct 2017

When Cantor got beat the Dems didn't even have a primary so they had to scramble to get someone on the ballot. Granted this district is so gerrymandered that it's next for a Dem to win but Creigh Deeds did get relatively close.

BTW the gerrymandering was a big factor in Cantor losing. They dumped the reddest areas (really red) into his district to protect other Repubs. Also it was an open primary (with no Dem primary) so Democrats turned out. Brett's margin of 7,000 is about 5% of the 140,000 of the Dems who voted for Obama in this district.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
44. Excellent point, can you imagine the moaning and groaning by folks
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 10:28 PM
Oct 2017

today if we ran similar candidates that Deans DNC recruited and ran?

“LOOK AT THE CORPORATE CONSERVADEM THAT THE DNC RECRUITED TO RUN IN RED STATE DISTRICT X. Of course because the DNC is beholden to big money!!11!1!1!1111111”

That’s all we would be hearing

 

Mediumsizedhand

(531 posts)
55. It is all we would hear and it is wrong. It is wrong to put forth an argument but an argument that
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 11:29 PM
Oct 2017

has no substance or is fact based. That is unfortunately how these faction want their candidates to run and nothing close to what they vote for can possibly happen. Then you have either the side that blindly follows regardless claiming success, or regardless of what is accomplished dismiss it because it is not all that was wanted.

If there is going to be an argument for something, it should at least be based in reality.

mcar

(42,595 posts)
16. That was a great strategy
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 07:55 PM
Oct 2017

IIRC, some on the left began loudly criticizing the "Blue Dog Dems" who gave us the majority and who helped us get the ACA passed.

 

Mediumsizedhand

(531 posts)
56. Well, if this is going to be the norm then the Op should understand they are reinforcing their
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 11:31 PM
Oct 2017

reality and are part of the problem.

bearsfootball516

(6,378 posts)
22. That was a big part, yes
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 08:29 PM
Oct 2017

I'd rather have a Democrat in office who votes Democrat 70 percent of the time than a Republican who votes Republican 100 percent of the time.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
34. Exactly right. Look at Heath Shuler.
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 09:47 PM
Oct 2017

He won in the heart of conservative North Carolina, a district that was reliably Republican, and the left despised him. But he was pushed to run by Rahm and won over a Republican incumbent.

Because of the 2010 election, the majority GOP legislature in NC redrew his district and it became nearly impossible for him to win, so, he didn't rub again in 2012.

Same thing happened in Utah with Jim Matheson.

Was he a good Democrat? No. Was he 1,000x better than who replaced him? Absolutely.

mcar

(42,595 posts)
40. Happened over and over again
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 09:58 PM
Oct 2017

And many of the same people who praised the DNC's excellent strategy decried the DINOs!

maxsolomon

(33,582 posts)
11. Lay the plan on us, Young Dem from CA
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 07:09 PM
Oct 2017

Here in WA, the Dems had complete control of the State House, Senate, and Governor's office. Then 2 Democratic State Senators, Rodney Tom and Tim Sheldon, betrayed their party and went to Caucus with the GOP, giving them leadership positions and the Republicans control of the State Senate. That didn't happen in an Election.

Only dysfunction has ensued since.

If you know how to win back seats in districts full of deluded Trump voters who's chief joy in life is Stigginit, please share.

 

Mediumsizedhand

(531 posts)
17. There are a lot of legitimate reasons that has nothing to do with bad policy.
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 08:02 PM
Oct 2017

As a Democrat, I would imagine you are aware of the issue but certainly more trashing of the Democratic Party without fact is not the answer.

How did we do with the smearing of Democrats, by Democrats in 2016? Even that did not take us down. When not considering any of the circumstance and going with an agenda driven accusation, it will always be a lose and only helping the problems along instead of resolutions.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
18. Might get worse before it gets better, CT could go red at the state level in 2018
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 08:04 PM
Oct 2017

Last edited Wed Oct 25, 2017, 08:40 PM - Edit history (1)

The State Senate is split 18-18 between Democrats and Republicans and the State House is 79-72 with the Democrats having the 7 seat lead.

Governor Malloy has chosen not to run for re-election, probably because he would lose the election. CT is in serious financial trouble and companies and residents are leaving the state. If the Republicans run the right person, it is entirely possible that person could win.

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
23. Try to keep up. This issue has been done to death for why that has happened.
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 08:38 PM
Oct 2017

"Radical change' has little to do with it.

Willie Pep

(841 posts)
24. I agree with you.
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 08:43 PM
Oct 2017

I don't think we can just rely on "Trump is bad" to win either. A 50-state strategy is needed. No more writing off large parts of the country as "unwinnable." Where I disagree with some progressives, though, is on the need for more party purity. You have to let candidates tailor their campaigns to their area. Even in the age of mass communication "all politics is local" still rings true. Just as an anecdote, in my area the Democrats tried to defeat a local Republican state rep by "nationalizing" the campaign and making it about Trump. It failed. The Republican won because he had built up a strong local machine in his area by helping locals out with their everyday problems, going to fests and local gatherings. He was well known. This mattered more than his right-wing voting record to a lot of people.

The Democratic Party used to be great at this kind of local electioneering but it seems like we have let many of our state and local parties atrophy. Now the party seems to think everything is about Big Data and demographics. Technology is helpful but it can't get people out to vote for you. You still need to do the legwork to get people to come out and vote and you can't do that just by cooking up what Big Data says is the perfect candidate based on demographics. You end up with candidates and campaigns that come off as out of touch and insincere.

emulatorloo

(44,332 posts)
27. Because Dems voted for the stimulus and universal healthcare. And were demonized by Koch brothers
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 09:28 PM
Oct 2017

For saving the economy, revitalizing the auto industry. and getting more people access to affordable healthcare.

Kochs and other wealthy republicans lied about dems in a massive campaign raw sewage political ads.

Please include facts in your posts.

emulatorloo

(44,332 posts)
31. I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired of revisionist history
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 09:35 PM
Oct 2017

And these fact-free authoritative statements.

Response to emulatorloo (Reply #27)

emulatorloo

(44,332 posts)
41. Bush invaded Iraq in 2010?
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 10:09 PM
Oct 2017

Nice try but bullshit.

As to Bush tax cuts, more revisionist history. That happened after the "shellacking" of 2010. Elections have consequences. Republicans were negotiating from a position of strength.

That's what happens when binary-thinking ideologues and GOP trolls pretending to be "progressives" on DU insinuated Dems should sit home in 2010 while the Koch-fueled teabags came in droves.

You're welcome to all yr talking points about evil Obama and evil Democrats who are all worse than Republicans.

Don't expect that people won't push back though.

Response to emulatorloo (Reply #41)

emulatorloo

(44,332 posts)
45. Facts: Bush invaded Iraq in '03. All TARP money paid back with interest. ACA a big leap
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 10:30 PM
Oct 2017

forward from what we had before, even wbLiebermans sabotage of Public Option. Vastly expanded Medicaid. Coulda evolved easily into single payer, but now Trump killed it.

Have a nice night.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
43. Nope, that is assuming a cause you have not proven
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 10:21 PM
Oct 2017

You are assuming the fault lies with the Democratic Party.

There are dozens of realistic potential causes and combinations of those dozens.

Prove your theory of causation first before you prescribe a solution.

LiberalFighter

(52,019 posts)
49. The DNC is limited in what it can do in campaigns.
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 10:40 PM
Oct 2017

The ultimate responsibility is with the candidate. They drive the message. The DNC cannot force the campaign of a candidate to do something they don't want. And the DNC is not the only party that provides aid. There is also the state party, county party and sometimes the district party.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
57. This post is just a variation of the "Democrats-Suck" theme... please stop.
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 09:39 AM
Oct 2017

Step out from under that doom-and-gloom cloud.

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