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BainsBane

(53,180 posts)
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 01:23 PM Oct 2017

Who is the indictment for?


22 votes, 0 passes | Time left: Unlimited
Manafort
14 (64%)
Flynn Sr.
2 (9%)
Flynn Jr.
1 (5%)
Don Jr.
0 (0%)
Jared
1 (5%)
Carter Page
1 (5%)
Roger Stone
0 (0%)
Hillary Clinton
0 (0%)
Lee Harvey Oswald
0 (0%)
Other, name below
3 (14%)
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Who is the indictment for? (Original Post) BainsBane Oct 2017 OP
Some Trump moron on MSNBC C_U_L8R Oct 2017 #1
LOL BainsBane Oct 2017 #2
Just call the RNC and they will give you a lying ass clown marylandblue Oct 2017 #3
Some tool on MSNBC MontanaMama Oct 2017 #4
Lol. No. bearsfootball516 Oct 2017 #5
I know it is crazy MontanaMama Oct 2017 #7
Wanted to choose two: cilla4progress Oct 2017 #6
Manafort was told that he would be indicted, his house has been raided, and is a long time big shot Not Ruth Oct 2017 #27
Vote for Page (easy to flip) but think there could be someone else erronis Oct 2017 #8
Someone's personal assistant. sofa king Oct 2017 #9
Interesting BainsBane Oct 2017 #10
Absolutely. sofa king Oct 2017 #11
You may be right. NT fleur-de-lisa Oct 2017 #20
Who says... GeorgeGist Oct 2017 #12
No one, precisely BainsBane Oct 2017 #14
Rebekah Mercer Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #13
We can dream. BainsBane Oct 2017 #15
Yes! Starting to think she had more of a hands on role than we thought before. Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #16
If she is to be indicted BainsBane Oct 2017 #17
Yep but it has been done! Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #18
No one voted for Oswald BainsBane Oct 2017 #19
Probably a name we haven't heard of. n/t musicblind Oct 2017 #21
a distinct possibility. nt BainsBane Oct 2017 #22
Until they indict Meredith McIver... sagesnow Oct 2017 #23
Yep, I do believe this ghost of a woman is Mastermind Extraordinaire. 2gether w/her hubby John Baron Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #25
Col Mustard, w/ the Candlestick, in the Libeary Nevernose Oct 2017 #24
Seriously: Buzzfeeds Manafort money laundering report Nevernose Oct 2017 #26
Hope you posted this in LBN or sagesnow Oct 2017 #29
There is no question Manafort will be indicted BainsBane Oct 2017 #31
How about the Keebler Elf? Kleveland Oct 2017 #28
I did think of including him BainsBane Oct 2017 #30
It's for US! It's our Halloween treat. The bigger indictments will be our Xmas present-- tblue37 Oct 2017 #32
Manafort ClarendonDem Oct 2017 #33
He had a contract in the Ukraine BainsBane Oct 2017 #34

C_U_L8R

(45,101 posts)
1. Some Trump moron on MSNBC
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 01:25 PM
Oct 2017

just declared that it would be Tony Podesta.
Where do they find these lying-ass clowns?

BainsBane

(53,180 posts)
2. LOL
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 01:26 PM
Oct 2017

My imagination is sadly limited, so I failed to include Podesta. Still, Hillary and Oswald are options in the poll.

MontanaMama

(23,432 posts)
7. I know it is crazy
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 01:50 PM
Oct 2017

but we are in the season of CRAZY. The Dem panelist talking counterpoints with the woman who claimed Podesta would be indicted agreed that it could be possible. WTF? Nobody called her on her nutzo claim.

When the conversation switched to the Clinton camp's funding of the Steele Dossier this week, it made me wonder what was really going on behind the scenes. I take nothing for granted any more.

cilla4progress

(24,965 posts)
6. Wanted to choose two:
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 01:45 PM
Oct 2017

Manafort and Page.

One big fish to scare the bejeezus out and show tRumpsters he's serious.

Smaller fish who strikes me as someone easy to flip.

On our way - as someone here said earlier.

Let's hope!

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
27. Manafort was told that he would be indicted, his house has been raided, and is a long time big shot
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 10:45 AM
Oct 2017

Page is nothing compared to him. If you want to flip someone, that someone is Manafort.

erronis

(15,844 posts)
8. Vote for Page (easy to flip) but think there could be someone else
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 02:02 PM
Oct 2017

Hoping that there is someone with a very insider view of this "operation".

I Am Not of course A Lawyer, but how much protection does being a privy counsel to anyone (especially a pResident) give against a grand jury indictment?

The old story about the deaf mafia boss who buried all the treasure in the back yard and told his lawyer. When the "boys" came to find out about where the funds were stashed, the lawyer told the them boss said "Go F yourself." Boss gone, lawyer richer. Trump being the deaf and dumb boss.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
9. Someone's personal assistant.
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 02:06 PM
Oct 2017

I've had some glimpses inside of what goes on in DC's politics. Long since, I've given up resisting the urge to correct statements like "Paul Manafort contacted X and met at Y" and simply gone along with it.

But that's not how it really works. When we toss around the names of DC heavy-hitters, what we're really talking about is an administrative team--at least one person and sometimes dozens--who execute the plans. They maintain the contact information, do the back-channel and low level planning, organize and know the details, make the flight and hotel reservations, clean up the information trail, and so on.

Many of those heavy hitters have more than one staff, one for their personal work and one for their professional office, and sometimes one for their criminal work, and when that's the case, there's always someone who ties it all together, who knows or can find out who was responsible for what.

That's who I would identify and nail to the wall first. Do that and everyone who contacted that person, which includes everyone involved, says, "oh, shit!"

BainsBane

(53,180 posts)
10. Interesting
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 02:10 PM
Oct 2017

but wouldn't the assistants cooperate and avoid indictments? Isn't their involvement more like a witness than a target?

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
11. Absolutely.
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 02:22 PM
Oct 2017

That's a very likely reason why the FBI director was fired: to buy time to obscure and destroy documentation.

But there is an international spin on things in this investigation and therefore the staff-level people are not in control of much of the information they produced, nor are investigators limited to domestic sources of information.

For example, any email or text could have easily been routed through an allied nation and captured and recorded. We or an ally could be deep inside Russian communications, and we may have recovered the other half of the communications. If the chatter was encrypted, we have people for that. We might have flipped someone caught in the middle of some other political hell, for example in the Ukraine. And so on.

There isn't a bottom in the espionage pool, and since this entire investigation clearly surrounds some form of collusion with a foreign nuclear power, the gloves have been off the whole time. It's only a question of what sources of information the prosecutor chooses to use.

My guess is that the real cases have been churning through FISA for most of the year.

BainsBane

(53,180 posts)
14. No one, precisely
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 02:36 PM
Oct 2017

CNN's reporting has referenced "an indictment," but they've been very vague.

The poll has a limited number of options, but you can always post about the combination of people whose indictment may be imminent.

 

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
16. Yes! Starting to think she had more of a hands on role than we thought before.
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 02:46 PM
Oct 2017

After some news we got yesterday.

BainsBane

(53,180 posts)
17. If she is to be indicted
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 03:16 PM
Oct 2017

or her family, it will be late in the process. It's harder to take down the super rich.

 

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
25. Yep, I do believe this ghost of a woman is Mastermind Extraordinaire. 2gether w/her hubby John Baron
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 10:40 AM
Oct 2017

Thanks for the OP recc!

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
24. Col Mustard, w/ the Candlestick, in the Libeary
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 10:40 AM
Oct 2017

It’s been obvious all along. Follow the clues, people!

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
26. Seriously: Buzzfeeds Manafort money laundering report
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 10:44 AM
Oct 2017

From this morning makes it kind of obvious.

“Law enforcement sources say the companies sent funds in round-dollar amounts without explanation of what the money was to be used for. The countries where these transactions originated — notably Cyprus and the Caribbean nation of St. Vincent and the Grenadines — are notorious for money laundering. Federal law enforcement officials said they saw evidence of “layering,” the process by which the origin of money is obscured behind many layers of companies. Much of the money ended up in the US, sent to American home improvement contractors, a hedge fund, and even a car dealership”

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jasonleopold/fbi-probe-of-paul-manafort-focuses-on-13-suspicious-wire?utm_term=.blx99dKWQd#.geKNNzXk5z

BainsBane

(53,180 posts)
31. There is no question Manafort will be indicted
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 12:26 PM
Oct 2017

but rather if he will be the first indicted. We are told prosecutors start low on the totem pole and move up.

Still, he's probably the best bet.

BainsBane

(53,180 posts)
30. I did think of including him
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 12:25 PM
Oct 2017

but had limited options. My guess is it's not him. Besides, Trump would probably love that.

tblue37

(65,829 posts)
32. It's for US! It's our Halloween treat. The bigger indictments will be our Xmas present--
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 12:26 PM
Oct 2017

unless, of course, it all fizzles out to become another Fitzmas.

 

ClarendonDem

(720 posts)
33. Manafort
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 12:42 PM
Oct 2017

How would anyone conclude that Podesta is being indicted? What the hell would Podesta have to do with an investigation into Trump?

BainsBane

(53,180 posts)
34. He had a contract in the Ukraine
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 01:05 PM
Oct 2017

as did Tad Divine. I suppose that's the connection. Or else because Podesta's emails were hacked, and the lie is that it's a false flag? I can only imagine how stupid the deplorables must be to believe that shit.

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