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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHRC will never be running for elected office again. MOVE THE FUCK ON
Those of you caterwauling about HRC/Donna Brazillle/Bernie Sanders/Wasserman-Shultz/WhothefuckEver, STOP IT. You are doing exactly what YOUR ENEMIES within and without want you to do.
It is time to move on. Drop it. Let it go.
Stop fighting the last war.
Put your energy into winning the House and the Senate in 2018. Your calories are much better spent there than yelling into your rear view mirror.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)the whole story is nonsense.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,169 posts)That is a crazy suggestion.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)lark
(23,177 posts)Did she say this in writing? If she did, she lied and needs to correct the misstatement.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)It shouldn't matter anymore who you backed in the primaries...what matters is the future and finding the common ground and common program necessary to restore this party to the level of strength needed to truly make change in this country.
The only thing we can change is the future.
Squinch
(51,058 posts)But I suspect they won't.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)The OP was a general call to move on-admitting there's no reason to keep the hate going is part of that.
christx30
(6,241 posts)over Hillary. I was happy with my decision. But when Hillary got the nomination, I didn't feel one bit of anger. And I took my daughter to the polls 2 hours after early voting started and let her watch me vote for the first female president. She was excited. The only thing I regret is that she didn't win, and we're stuck with Trump for 4 years (or his impeachment, whichever comes first).
Salviati
(6,009 posts)We don't need to feed those narratives here. Don't be baited, alert and keep a level head.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Control-Z
(15,682 posts)Haven't seen an apology yet. And, of course, there are others who should apologize as well. Not expecting it though.
BannonsLiver
(16,527 posts)And then more discussions and then more apologies. Rinse and repeat. There is no way the threshold will ever be met. There is nothing the DNC or Hillary or anyone else can do or say that would satisfy those most up in arms over this. There will always be those who covet grievances.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)lark
(23,177 posts)This am on MSNBC they said that 15 of the 20 most active threads on this were from bots, not people. Folks, Russia is still very very active and trying to fuck us over. Stop falling for their ploys.
PJMcK
(22,059 posts)I agree with you.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,169 posts)Thumbs up on this one, stinky.
Dems will lose again if this bullshit keeps up.
EarthFirst
(2,905 posts)redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)I love Hillary but we need new blood!
OregonBlue
(7,755 posts)old Hillary. Let's stop fighting and figure out who those people are.
OregonBlue
(7,755 posts)we have another election coming up and Hillary won't be on the ticket so who gives a rat's ass what happened. I personally think Donna made up lots of stuff to make her book more interesting but so what. Hillary will not be on the ticket. I think that Debbie was very bad at her job but she won't be there and Hillary won't be on the ticket.
Could be all start working to find a really good set of candidates that WILL be on the ticket and WILL win and just stop with rehashing and rehashing and rehashing and rehashing ad nausea.
Everyone had their favorite. None of them won. Can we PLEASE move on and find new favorites that we can all support? Our country is in real trouble and we're fighting over who said what to whom and when. Are we 12?
Demsrule86
(68,733 posts)Kamela Harris and Corey Booker...but I will support any Dem candidate.
sprinkleeninow
(20,268 posts)Not in the way it's sounding!
(Alright, a tad!)
Curbing my enthusiasm now....😇
pandr32
(11,635 posts)He is measured and deliberate, and oh so intelligent! He comes across as someone who is incapable of bs.
sprinkleeninow
(20,268 posts)kysrsoze
(6,024 posts)We all look like idiots with this continual rehashing. People need to learn to let go and concentrate on something slightly more important - like figuring out how to take a slew of seats in the next election.
tiredtoo
(2,949 posts)This is on point!
Greywing
(1,124 posts)Think to the future and concentrate on 2018. We have to join forces, get ethical people back the House and Senate and get the mess in our Nation's capitol put to rights.
Demsrule86
(68,733 posts)good candidate is...so I have my own method...is there a "D" next to his/her name? If the answer is yes, than vote for said candidate.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)That's my biggest concern. That has to do with the future too.
Demsrule86
(68,733 posts)Also, during Obama's time there were rules about who could give money...lots of our Dem financiers were out in the cold...bad idea. It has been changed by perez.
Kaleva
(36,371 posts)Texasgal
(17,048 posts)No shit Stinky!!
I am so tired of this shit I could THROW UP!
Time to go after Cheeto and his crazy band of minions!!
C Moon
(12,223 posts)LexVegas
(6,120 posts)Stinky The Clown
(67,832 posts)And it wasn't whining, it was yelling in anger.
Welcome to DU. Thanks for contributing.
MFM008
(19,826 posts)Selling a book.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)wants of course -- it's ridiculous.
jrthin
(4,840 posts)boston bean
(36,224 posts)are doing a service.
Save your wrath for those spreading lies. Thank you very much.
We use to defend dems from attacks and lies here. I think it should be that way. YMMV.
Stinky The Clown
(67,832 posts)boston bean
(36,224 posts)radical noodle
(8,016 posts)the GOP seizes on every little thing and we sit back and say nothing in response. While Donna and Sean Hannity and Trump bash the DNC and make it into a sideshow to distract from Trump/Russia, we should be stepping up to disprove this nonsense. Every time a story like this is all over the airways, we lose voters who become disillusioned because of the lies. We must defend Hillary and Democrats from crap like this. I remember a time on DU when we did.
VOX
(22,976 posts)Which is reason enough for any Democrat to knock off making the right wings job so goddamned easy.
Any Democrat with a thorough understanding of whats going on should know better than to go down the destroy Hillary trail. She is a private citizen now, for Christs sake.
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)Podkayne K
(145 posts)YHUGE LOSER!
1. Blew the 2000 election and ran one of the most sorry campaigns ever to lead a candidate who should have easily won into a stunning defeat.
2. Got caught stealing questions, helping Repukes and all the other Anti-Clinton Types such as the NY Times, Fox, and MSM further dump their vile and viciousness in their campaign to bury HRC>
3. Fired from her job(s), including the one at CNN, she has largely been ignored since, so...
4. She pulls an Ann Coulter-type outrage by printing an outright lie--uh, complete misinformation statement--in order to get noticed again; her name in the news and herself back on TV--even if it's Fox.
5. Gives not a DAMN about her "alleged" party, candidate, or country. And becomes just like Trump: caring only about money and self.
JUST ANOTHER DAMN DEPLORABLE!
Demsrule86
(68,733 posts)Gore1FL
(21,159 posts)Regardless, like 2016, 2000 is over too. Al Gore won't run again either.
Let's talk about how to win 2018.
sprinkleeninow
(20,268 posts)She might have a D connected to her, but she ain't walkin' that walk, as it is said.
(I really try to refrain from using that overwrought term.)
Glorfindel
(9,740 posts)n/t
BootinUp
(47,201 posts)Demsrule86
(68,733 posts)Why would some want to believe ill of the Democratic Party is beyond me.
Heartstrings
(7,349 posts)You are 100% correct.....move on!
Paladin
(28,279 posts)Gore1FL
(21,159 posts)I've been saying this for almost a year with no results to show for it.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,178 posts)That's where I sometimes get appalled by the Sanders bashing even while he is working with, and respected by, many other working Democrats.
I agree that it is pointless to wring our hands anymore about the Clinton/DNC collusion against Sanders...despite the honest to gawd reasons why Sanders supporters should have been upset by the finger-on-the-scales by the DNC in favor of Hillary, already established before the Brazille statements in the leaked DNC documents, as well as debate scheduling, and reductions etc... It does no one good to cry over spilled milk. I believe that Clinton would have won regardless. As soon as Sanders endorsed her, it should have been over, even if one had to swallow back a bit of bile. Because we needed to rally around our candidate. Politics can be a dirty game, but after every new development one has to re-evaluate and pivot if necessary for the greater good.
But what I can't fathom is that some fail to even accept the fact that Sanders is a working Senator still. Its almost like they think that if Hillary is not a factor anymore on the national scene then Sanders should voluntarily also be irrelevant. And every news item posted that praises Bernie's ongoing work, always has a cadre of haters that attempt to highjack the thread with insults, both towards Sanders, as well as anyone that admires and supports his ongoing work with Democrats. I think this is counter productive, spiteful, and serves no one.
Stinky The Clown
(67,832 posts)Nice choice of word. Such a special meaning these days.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,178 posts)That's what you respond to? Sorry, it wasn't meant to have any meaning other than the dictionary meaning.
How about connive? Too strong? Facilitate? Either way, I made a point of saying that is old news. ie...Those of us that had already accepted an unfair playing field have done so a long time ago. We knew the odds of backing Sanders against the well oiled Clinton machine going in. And those secret emails revealed previously only confirmed what we all suspected anyways. So this is not news, whether exaggerated or not.
My point was that one of them, Hillary, is still in the news mostly because of the Republicans and Trump still using her poisoned name to score political points with their base. IMO she is the most unfairly harangued, besmirched, politician in US history, now going on for decades.
The other is in the news because of his ongoing work, his speeches, his policies. Because he makes the news by his own present day actions. There is a difference.
radical noodle
(8,016 posts)Many men & women here relate to that and like her even more for standing up to all that and still moving forward. Any so-called collusion in the DNC was nothing compared to the massive collusion against her. We had the right and the far left to fight, along with misogynistic men, Putin and Comey.
We should have one point where we can all start. We don't bash Democrats.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,178 posts)I had my issues with her, and supported Bernie, but even IF there was some kind back room 'conniving' against Sanders. Its only what every other major candidate's team tries to do, in any country on the planet. Politics is a dirty game sometimes. Like I said, I think she'd have won anyways, ..too much of a lead. So I can't spend my time wringing my hands on something that may have been wrong at the time, and I was very upset at one time, but it bears no relevance to today. The threat of the orange dotard in the WH is much more important.
There is a difference however in that we should still be able to examine, and even criticize, the directions that the Democratic party as a whole has taken in the last 20 years. Beyond and outside of this election. Especially considering how much of the country has been lost to our control during that time. And one cannot get around the fact that the Clintons and their third way strategy, was a big influence on that direction during that time.
radical noodle
(8,016 posts)I'm not being snarky... just wondering what ideas you have.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,178 posts)What do I find problematic? That's a huuuuuuuge question. I don't know exactly what you specifically are asking. Problematic with what? Losing so much in Governorships and local elections all across the country? Yes I do. And the strategy, since Bill Clinton, to out-Republican the Republicans by implementing a "third way" strategy. In effect, join the Republicans in wooing big business and Wall street into their (our) tent, even if it crowds out a big swath of grassroots Democrats that are uncomfortable with that. Moving towards the GOP playbook of prioritizing 1 percent of the population as more valuable than 99 percent of the rest, when it comes to the economy. (While differentiating themselves on social issues).
They could see the GOP get huge donations from the corporate class, and wanted in on the cash. Hence things like support for the TPP, for the oil pipelines, while catering to conservatives on social issues like traditional marriage only, pot prohibition..all of those reversed only when it became safe to do so, or there was too much criticism.
Backing DINOs in State elections instead of actual Democrats with progressive ideals, even though if the choice is a Republican or a faux Republican, voters will vote for the Republican almost every time. The fear of simply standing up for progressive forward principles and having faith that people will come around eventually with enough information. That the top brass of the Democratic party has fallen for the false Fox News meme that America is a conservative country, when if you ask each person specific questions on liberal policies, like minimum wage, SS, medicare, public education, hell, even the ACA, they support them.
So to me, I have a problem with the cowardice of giving up, and trying to act all family values, (Hillary: my favorite book is the Bible), and being coy about $200,000 dollar speeches to Goldman Sachs, declaring that Single Payer "is never going to happen"...... I say be bold. Be positive about the possibilities. Be proud of being liberal thinking people. Sanders proved that if you are honest and show people that you stand by your convictions, even someone who openly calls himself a socialist, can be the most popular politician in the country. The establishment Democrats in Washington are still clinging to their failed 'third way' top down strategy in a lot of ways. Embrace your liberalism. Don't be afraid of it. Or you look wishy washy and are easy targets for RW hate media. If they are going to hate you anyways, why not actually give them something to get mad about.
I know you are not being snarky. You are one of posters with maybe an alternate opinion that is more civil about it, I appreciate that.
radical noodle
(8,016 posts)start labeling Democrats with "DINO" or "neoliberal" or "third-way."
It seems that now is the time to ditch the old divisions and work together for all Democrats because any Democrat is better than a Republican. Is there a way to get past this desire some have for purity? We are never going to find a "pure" Democrat because purity is in the eyes of each different person. As a big tent party, we have a lot of different opinions.
We can't stop being the party of social justice. We can't stop being the party of women's rights and gay rights. Maybe we should all work together to settle on what we can all agree on and go from there.
Thank you for your answer.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,178 posts)Its almost comical the way Hillary was was not deemed pure enough for some to vote for because of her more right of center approach to business. And Bernie was not deemed pure enough because he wasn't a real Democrat.
Although I would say that as far as "neoliberal", and "third way" those are actual terms that describe actual political strategies. And in light of all the losing the party has been doing the last number of years, I think ignoring their influence is counter productive to moving forward to being an effective force for social justice, women's rights and gay rights.
But yes, there must be a way to have these discussions without it being a "who is more pure" p#@#ing contest.
cheers
Beartracks
(12,821 posts)... That seems to be a prevailing attitude among some.
And yeah, that "war" was/is manufactured by the foreign bots, so it's not worth fighting for TWO reasons: 1) it doesn't help us going forward, and 2) the war is fake.
I kinda think, when people say we need to keep churning over the last election so we can learn what went wrong, that the only thing we'll actually learn -- the hard way -- is that we were played for fools. TWICE, if we're not careful.
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Stinky The Clown
(67,832 posts)You okay with that?
It is not smart to fight the war your enemy wants you to fight and the way he wants you to fight it.
Beartracks
(12,821 posts)... keep fighting lat year's primaries. I used it sarcastically.
I guess it wasn't that obvious...?
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SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)I've tried to convey that to several people, but they'd have none of it. They want to continue the "good" fight, as they see it, and nothing is going to placate them but the public execution of HRC. This is absolutely my final word on this subject. Onward to the mid-terms!
scuciti
(33 posts)Bernie would have beaten Trump.Hillary with Bernie as running mate would have beaten Trump. If the DNC wasn't so corrupt and the Hillbots could actually process "what happened" and actually take responsibility then the Dems would have a chance of winning, in the future. Hilary was a weak and corrupt candidate, and that got us to Trump. There is a direct connection.
Progressive dog
(6,922 posts)then perhaps I will move on. One thing we should have learned is that lies about prominent Democrats should be forcefully repudiated by Democrats.
IronLionZion
(45,579 posts)I was happy to be rec #100 but there are people who would like the primary process to change before the next election
And we do have enemies within. There are liberals trying hard to lose a winnable governor's election in Virginia Tuesday.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)In fact I think a rematch in 2020 would be wonderful and give her the justice she deserves.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,169 posts)just...."no"
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)But if she wins, it would be extremely sweet
sellitman
(11,608 posts)I don't know who you are talking about but I suspect whoever they are they are both anti 45.
kimbutgar
(21,226 posts)I commented back, shame on you.
c-rational
(2,596 posts)House and Senate and hope the Dumpster is gone long before that.
Javaman
(62,534 posts)just mention, the election of 2000 and watch people go crazy.
there are some here on DU that hang onto things like grim death.
such is life.