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Sat Nov 4, 2017, 12:24 PM

Twisting in the Wind

“I think we ought to let him hang there. Let him twist slowly, slowly in the wind.”
John Ehrlichman; 1972.


Since joining in 2003, DU has been my favorite internet site. I've enjoyed “meeting” many individuals who have become good friends ….some of whom are still part of the DU community, and others who are no longer here. I like the the discussions about important topics where one can learn new things, including other points of view, regardless of if I agree dully with them. There are some people who always make me think. One of these people is “grantcart,” and his response to my last OP reminded me of a story that Rubin once told me.

An isolated tribe of people came upon an airplane that had been left in the wilderness. The first man who climbed into it was amazed by the comfortable seats within the plane. In time, another man figured out how to start its engine, and began using it as a convenient car. But because they were satisfied with comfort and convenience, the tribe never understood that the plane could fly.

I thought of this, because frequently, “grantcart's” posts take discussions to a higher level. They soar above the more common communications found on OP/threads. In the current post, he noted – in detail – some of the history of another large nation, a century ago. Because, as historian Arthur Schlesinger, Jr. documented, history tends to go in cycles.

Back in the “good old days” of DU:GD during the Plame scandal, a significant number of community members posted high-quality essays and posts that drew upon their personal knowledge of history, political science, sociology, psychology, and other areas of interest. These helped the larger community “connect the dots,” and more fully understand the national and international events that were spinning out of control under George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and assorted neoconservatives in their administration.

This got me thinking about some current events that I'd like to focus on now. The general topic is how the Mueller Team is approaching the on-going investigation, based in part on their understanding of the personality structures of three of the criminals – Flynn, Manafort, and Trump. Let's take a brief view.

Michael Flynn is a strange case, but certainly not unique. People of my generation are reminded of General Edwin Walker. (Robert Mueller, for example, is fully aware of this.) Both were products of military schools, both had rigid, authoritarian personalities, and that combination allowed both to function within the structure of the military. Both would be promoted to high levels, which eventually led to their personality deficiencies being exposed. In their post-military careers, each became involved in right-wing politics.

Paul Manafort provides an example of serious anti-social personality disorder. He belongs to a group of corrupt people, who only have an allegiance to each other, primarily because they work together on various criminal enterprises. People with personality characteristics such as Manafort are often drawn to working with a psychopath.

Trump is a psychopath. More, he belies the mistaken belief that psychopaths are “evil geniuses.”

Now, the current manual for diagnosing mental illness in the United States makes psychopaths a part of ASPD. This is relatively new. It is because insurance coverage was far more available to pay for treatment of ASPD, which can be successful in certain circumstances, than psychopathy. Hence, the change. But, to be sure, investigators and prosecutors understand the distinction, and attempt to use it to their advantage.

Team Mueller is aware that both Flynn and Manafort attempt to live by a code that is distinct from that of the larger society. Flynn views Mr. Mueller as an “enemy of the state,” and thus hesitates to cooperate with him. Manafort views Mr. Mueller as “the law,” and likewise hesitates to cooperate. Neither wants to be a “rat.” But, in both cases, they have sons who are identified as being in legal jeopardy, and have thus the human impulse to protect their offspring. And that is exactly where Team Mueller will apply maximum pressure to turn them.

Trump's son, daughter, and son-in-law are also at risk of being indicted. One can easily identify a number of questions that Mr. Mueller will ask Donald, Jr., For example, what exactly did Junior mean a few years back, when he said that “Russian money is flowing in” to the family business? We know his father dictated the lie about his “adoption” meeting, which on the surface could be mistaken for a dad trying to protect his son. But that isn't the way Trump rolls.

When push comes to shove, Trump is the most cowardly of men. He lacks the trait that would allow him to even consider accepting responsibility for his actions, even if doing so would potentially protect his spawn. For he has no conscience, no meaningful concept of “family,” beyond as an extension of himself. And he will sacrifice any such extension – be it family or friend – to save himself.

When investigators and prosecutors approach a case with such dynamics, they identify such personality traits. They focus on those weak links in the chain, both within the group and within the individuals involved. This includes the weak spots within the individuals who are considered “strong” by the group.. Those weak spots are known as “keys.” And we are seeing Mr. Mueller playing those keys like a master plays a piano.

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H2O Man Nov 2017 OP
MLAA Nov 2017 #1
H2O Man Nov 2017 #2
Me. Nov 2017 #3
H2O Man Nov 2017 #4
Me. Nov 2017 #5
H2O Man Nov 2017 #16
Me. Nov 2017 #17
Alice11111 Nov 2017 #26
Scarsdale Nov 2017 #48
Alice11111 Nov 2017 #59
kgnu_fan Nov 2017 #6
H2O Man Nov 2017 #27
KitSileya Nov 2017 #47
ehrnst Nov 2017 #50
Post removed Nov 2017 #60
KitSileya Nov 2017 #61
LiberalLovinLug Nov 2017 #7
H2O Man Nov 2017 #28
bluestarone Nov 2017 #8
H2O Man Nov 2017 #29
cachukis Nov 2017 #9
H2O Man Nov 2017 #31
Mr. Evil Nov 2017 #10
csziggy Nov 2017 #21
Mr. Evil Nov 2017 #24
H2O Man Nov 2017 #35
H2O Man Nov 2017 #34
Mr. Evil Nov 2017 #41
peggysue2 Nov 2017 #11
H2O Man Nov 2017 #37
calimary Nov 2017 #12
H2O Man Nov 2017 #38
calimary Nov 2017 #58
SCantiGOP Nov 2017 #13
H2O Man Nov 2017 #39
Hekate Nov 2017 #14
H2O Man Nov 2017 #40
panader0 Nov 2017 #15
H2O Man Nov 2017 #52
GoneOffShore Nov 2017 #18
H2O Man Nov 2017 #53
pandr32 Nov 2017 #19
H2O Man Nov 2017 #54
shraby Nov 2017 #20
erronis Nov 2017 #22
MuseRider Nov 2017 #23
denbot Nov 2017 #25
Solly Mack Nov 2017 #30
PatrickforO Nov 2017 #32
jpak Nov 2017 #33
malaise Nov 2017 #36
democrank Nov 2017 #42
Sensitive soul Nov 2017 #43
NBachers Nov 2017 #45
NBachers Nov 2017 #44
pwb Nov 2017 #46
orangecrush Nov 2017 #49
SHRED Nov 2017 #51
Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #55
Nitram Nov 2017 #56
Enoki33 Nov 2017 #57

Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Nov 4, 2017, 12:49 PM

1. Thought provoking. I appreciate it. I look for your threads and comments.

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Response to MLAA (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 4, 2017, 12:50 PM

2. Thank you.

I appreciate it.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Nov 4, 2017, 12:51 PM

3. Fingers Crossed Those 'Keys'

Open many doors

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Response to Me. (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 4, 2017, 01:08 PM

4. They will.

This month, the Mueller Team will be placing pressure directly upon Trump.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 4, 2017, 01:12 PM

5. Already Better Tha Fitzmas

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Response to Me. (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 4, 2017, 02:53 PM

16. Right.

I think that the felony conviction of Scooter Libby was outstanding. It ended the influence of Cheney in the Bush White House. Still, I'd have loved to have seen Rove and especially Cheney charged. Rove's lawyer brought "last minute" information to Mr. Fitzgerald that saved Rove. And I think Patrick was frustrated by the FBI investigators' interview with Cheney, when -- for over an hour -- Dick said, "I can't recall" more than once per minute. I suspect that they could have pressed the old fart harder.

Mr. Mueller's team is, in my opinion, superior to what Mr. Fitzgerald had.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #16)

Sat Nov 4, 2017, 03:00 PM

17. I Think The Case/Cheney Hinged On Fitz Turning Libby

But Cheney promised Scooter he'd get 43 to pardon him. He tried and to his credit, 43 didn't budge. Though, IMHO, commuting the sentence was bad enough.

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Response to Me. (Reply #17)

Sat Nov 4, 2017, 05:57 PM

26. Yeah, but Libby was benign compared to Cheney. Libby

Took the fall for everyone, but especially Cheney.
DT could pardon him.

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Response to Alice11111 (Reply #26)

Sun Nov 5, 2017, 10:15 AM

48. I can not think of anyone

who is so loyal to tRump, that they would risk prison time for him. Loyalty is not a driving force in the gop, MONEY is.

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Response to Scarsdale (Reply #48)

Sun Nov 5, 2017, 05:39 PM

59. Absolutely. While he demands loyalty, sycophant style,

he shows very little. Money 💸💰.

It is the no 1 for Repubs.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Nov 4, 2017, 01:18 PM

6. So good to see your name on this site

Yes, “good old days” of DU:GD has been gone for awhile so I rarely come here but I am always delighted to find your post whenever I stop by. You are always wise and patient, ready to find an opening for "helping the larger community “connect the dots,” and more fully understand the national and international events that were spinning out of control".

It is easy to spot "psychopathic behaviors" in others whom we consider our enemy, but we often forget to reflect and look ourselves in mirror to see the same self betraying behaviors. How can we stop rotting from within? Responses so far by "Democrats" to Donna Brazille's revelation has been quite disappointing.

How can we renew our commitment to truly democratic conversation during such crucial time in our history?

Again, I am most grateful for your being here. Thank you for your beautiful spirit.

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Response to kgnu_fan (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 4, 2017, 06:00 PM

27. Thank you!

I haven't been posting as often as I used to, partly because I have been busy, and partly for the same reasons that you aren't here as much. But the next 12 months are crucial, in order for our constitutional democracy to begin to heal. And there is no chance of that happening, unless citizens are willing to reverse the tide of divisions that are making the nation vulnerable to a group of criminals, headed by a psychopath.

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Response to kgnu_fan (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 5, 2017, 07:37 AM

47. I wouldn't go so far as saying Brazile is a psychopath,

but either a betrayer or a sell-out, that is a given, considering how her "revelation" has been torn to shreds with facts. She put fake information and mendacious attacks on Hillary and the Democratic party out in the press just before crucial elections, stabbing us in the back as we are fighting for our very lives.

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Response to KitSileya (Reply #47)

Sun Nov 5, 2017, 11:12 AM

50. Vindictive, and is being given credence by other vindictive people. (nt)

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Response to Post removed (Reply #60)

Mon Nov 6, 2017, 12:38 AM

61. The intercept?

You use that as a basis for your smears? Rightwing sources are not allowed here on DU. Shame on you for falling for it.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Nov 4, 2017, 01:35 PM

7. Nice op

Interesting to get to the nuances behind the strategy.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 4, 2017, 06:01 PM

28. Thank you.

I'm glad that you enjoyed this.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Nov 4, 2017, 01:38 PM

8. very good read

TY

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Response to bluestarone (Reply #8)

Sat Nov 4, 2017, 06:01 PM

29. Thanks!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Nov 4, 2017, 01:42 PM

9. Nicely done.

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Response to cachukis (Reply #9)

Sat Nov 4, 2017, 07:11 PM

31. Thank you!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Nov 4, 2017, 01:42 PM

10. I've always thought of Donald Trump in that vain.

He's the type of shitbag that if a family member should suddenly, unexpectedly die, he wouldn't see it as a tragedy. He'd see it as a financial windfall. No longer having to worry about them or pay for them or be bothered with giving them consideration for anything anymore. He is nothing but a cold, empty black void.

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Response to Mr. Evil (Reply #10)

Sat Nov 4, 2017, 03:34 PM

21. Trump definitely acted that way when his brother died

The Trump Files: When Donald Took Revenge by Cutting Off Health Coverage for a Sick Infant
Classy.
Natalie SchreyerAug. 25, 2016 10:00 AM

<SNIP>

The story begins after the death of Trump’s father, Fred Sr., in 1999. As David Cay Johnston explains in his book The Making of Donald Trump, Fred Sr. had written a will after the death of his oldest son, Fred Jr., known as Freddy, in 1981. The will left the majority of Fred Sr.’s wealth to Donald and his surviving siblings. Freddy’s family was largely cut out.

When Fred Sr. died, Freddy’s children sued, claiming that the will “had been ‘procured by fraud and undue influence’ by Donald and the other surviving siblings,” according to Johnston.

Johnston writes that medical insurance had consistently been provided to the family through Fred Sr.’s company. This coverage was crucial for Freddy’s grandson (Donald’s grandnephew), who suffered from seizures and later developed cerebral palsy. So crucial, in fact, that a letter sent from a Trump lawyer to the insurer after the patriarch’s death in 1999 said that “all costs” for the sick child’s care should be covered, regardless of caps on the plan or medical necessity, according to Johnston. That didn’t last long.

A week after the lawsuit was filed in court, Freddy’s son (Donald’s nephew) received a letter informing him that the health insurance would be discontinued, meaning his ill son would be left without coverage. Donald openly admitted to the New York Daily News that he and his siblings took this action out of revenge.

More: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/trump-files-donald-sick-infant-medical-care/


Donald not only persuaded his father to write his sister in law and nephew out of his will, he also cut off the badly needed health insurance for a sick infant. What an evil fuck.

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Response to csziggy (Reply #21)

Sat Nov 4, 2017, 05:32 PM

24. Thanx for the info.

For what it's worth, it's reassuring to know I was right about this orange colostomy bag. Disgusting beyond the pale.

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Response to csziggy (Reply #21)

Sat Nov 4, 2017, 07:19 PM

35. This is huge.

Thank you for this!

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Response to Mr. Evil (Reply #10)

Sat Nov 4, 2017, 07:19 PM

34. Right.

When Iron Mike Tyson was out of control (think of Mike on huge amounts of cocaine), Trump attempted to buy his contract. At this time, Mike posed a risk to those who annoyed him. I so wish that Trump had gotten Mike's contract then.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #34)

Sat Nov 4, 2017, 08:01 PM

41. Trump... Splat!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Nov 4, 2017, 02:00 PM

11. Really Interesting Post

The Michael Flynn connection is particularly fascinating. His full turn to the dark side appears to pivot on his dismissal by President Obama, a president he didn't respect. I recall listening to Colin Powell's former aide Lawrence Wilkerson who knows Flynn well. He said he was shocked by the level of Flynn's rage, how he was hell-bent to 'get back at his perceived enemies' and had taken up a conspiracy-driven mindset. Wilkerson said he suggested Flynn get his anger in check or it would lead him into real trouble. Obviously Flynn didn't take the suggestion, instead going full-tilt into 'Lock Her Up' mode, hinky foreign alliances/deals and complete allegiance to Trump's authoritarian spiel. From the speculation I've read, his weak spot may be his son, his desire to protect Flynn, Jr.

As for Manafort and Trump? I agree that both men would sell their mothers to scramble out of a hole. Manafort is a thoroughly corrupt actor, rubbing shoulders with international mafia types for money and prestige. His family connections seem tenuous at best; even his daughter has bad-mouthed him on FB. Trump is similar in nature, his long reported collegiality with underworld types. But I agree--Trump is thoroughly unhinged., as in seriously deranged. We see it everyday. One can only imagine how his psychopathic nature will react to a true and unyielding legal threat, a threat where he's publicly exposed and humiliated. Maybe that's his major weakness: the need to always be right and perceived as a winner in all things. He appears wiling to do anything to maintain that illusion.

The drama continues. Thanks for the thought provoking post.

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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #11)

Sat Nov 4, 2017, 07:28 PM

37. Thanks, peggysue2!

What I am finding unsettling is that military officers who knew General Kelly quite well have started saying that, in the past few weeks, they are seeing an angry side of him they hadn't ever seen before. I had hoped he had the core strength to put Trump in check, or resign in protest if he had no control of the president. But he appears to be undergoing a change not that different from Flynn's. And that can be dangerous. That type of rigid personality, with the tendency to obey authority without question, is a real downside to too many generals. (A good friend who is retired military often tells me that he has never trusted a single general.)

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Nov 4, 2017, 02:02 PM

12. MOST interesting, H2O Man.

It’s always wise to examine character, background, and motivation when it comes to assessing (and hopefully out-thinking and out-maneuvering) individuals like these.

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Response to calimary (Reply #12)

Sat Nov 4, 2017, 07:34 PM

38. Thank you!

Because I am old and of feeble mind -- and never very smart to begin with -- please excuse me for talking about boxing now .....but, I remember a friend being surprised when Floyd Mayweather, Jr., said that as he prepares for a fight, he always studies his opponent's family structure. He evaluated his foe's relationship with their family members, in order to understand the guy's character. My friend didn't understand why that was important. I suppose that, in this case, Mr. Mueller's understanding of Flynn and Manafort's character (and Trump's total lack of character) would help my buddy appreciate what Floyd was saying!

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #38)

Sun Nov 5, 2017, 01:55 PM

58. Hey, I've often talked about sparring class and what it taught me about

not allowing myself to be distracted by "shiny objects" or, in the case of one unfamiliar sparring partner, fluttering fingers way off to the side furiously trying to get me to look over there, so he could come around with a hook or uppercut from the other direction and thereby nail me.

I've told that story before. Working toward my black belt about 20 years ago, I had to take a different adult class one evening because I had an appointment that morning that prevented me from attending my usual morning class. In that evening class, I was paired up with a different opponent I'd never met before, a 20-something guy who was strong, nimble, and an obviously careful and meticulous student. We started in on our sparring match, and I tried valiantly to hold him off and deflect and bob 'n' weave and all that. I tried to keep my eyes focused on the middle of his chest. At one point, out of the corner of my eye, I became aware that he'd stretched his arm WAY out to his side and was wildly flapping and waving his hand and wiggling his fingers. I instantly suspected he was trying to get me to glance over there and "watch the birdie" because then, WHAM, his other fist could come around from the opposite side, while I was looking away, and nail me. I decided not to take the bait. Kept focusing right there on the money spot (center of his chest) and just kept jabbing. That's really all I could think of, to do. One of our sensei's guidelines, that he repeated often, was "keep 'em busy! Keep jabbing! Jab Jab Jab! Keep 'em busy! Keep 'em busy!" So that's what I did.

And I outlasted him. Furthermore, he only tried that trick once. Didn't attempt it again because he quickly surmised that it wasn't gonna work on me. He was at least half my age, strong and fit as could be, and - sorry to sound sexist here but - I found something consistent in all the karate classes: the boys and the men liked the sparring parts more, while the girls and the women, myself included, preferred the forms parts. And since the boys and the men liked the sparring parts more, they tended to be better at it and more enthusiastic about it. I HATED sparring. And I felt like it wasn't one of my strengths, since I LOVED-LOVED-LOVED the forms. But to climb up the belt ladder toward black belt, sparring was required as part of the curriculum. At least we were well-padded.

But the point was: STAY FOCUSED. DON'T let yourself become distracted. DON'T pay any attention to the side crap or the shiny object or the fluttering fingers way over there or the distraction that breaks your concentration or tempts you to run off on some wild goose chase. EYES ON THE PRIZE. MAN is that ever true! And for me, anyway, it was an excellent metaphor that I discovered was perfectly applicable to many other things and realms than just sparring class. STAY FOCUSED. DON'T GET DISTRACTED. EYES ON THE PRIZE.

Robert Mueller would probably be an ACE sparring partner. Maybe even LETHAL.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Nov 4, 2017, 02:03 PM

13. Thanks for a real post

A nice break from the “Bernie isn’t a Democrat” and “Hillary cost us the election” standard fare.

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Response to SCantiGOP (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 4, 2017, 07:38 PM

39. Thank you!

That standard fare you correctly note may be comfortable or convenient for some here, but it doesn't offer the potential for meaningful change. It's one thing to learn from the past. It's quite another to be stuck in it.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Nov 4, 2017, 02:08 PM

14. Very thought provoking and hopeful. Thanks as always.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #14)

Sat Nov 4, 2017, 07:39 PM

40. Thanks, Hekate!

Much appreciated.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Nov 4, 2017, 02:15 PM

15. Recommended.

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Response to panader0 (Reply #15)

Sun Nov 5, 2017, 11:37 AM

52. Thanks!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Nov 4, 2017, 03:08 PM

18. Well thought out and expressed.

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Response to GoneOffShore (Reply #18)

Sun Nov 5, 2017, 11:37 AM

53. Thank you!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Nov 4, 2017, 03:17 PM

19. Best piece I've read today!

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Response to pandr32 (Reply #19)

Sun Nov 5, 2017, 11:38 AM

54. Thanks, pandr32!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Nov 4, 2017, 03:21 PM

20. Then it was easier to finger the enemy, the fly in the ointment was Rove and the perps were fewer in

number.
Today it's a whole new ballgame with the Russian agitators working out in many forums like this and spreading discord and false statements.
It's harder to "see" the fly in the ointment.
Thanks for an excellent post (as always).

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Nov 4, 2017, 03:41 PM

22. Spawn. Trump's kids.

I always imagine some random lower male vertebrate swimming by and loosing a gob of gametes over a potential set of oocytes. That is the picture of people like Trump and Weinstein and many others that I see.

The "spawn" are afterthoughts and unintended consequences. The wives, lovers, etc. are nothing more than convenient targets.

Congrats, Ivanka, DonJr, and many others. Your "fathers" are only biological - not real. And they'd sacrifice you on their own personal alters of greed if needed.


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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Nov 4, 2017, 04:45 PM

23. Well done!

I am glad I kept this up on my screen as I went to rehearsal. I knew it would be worth coming home and reading.

I agree that Trump will sell out Donald Jr. and Kushner but I don't know if he will sell out Ivanka. Women have a specific place with The Donald, it is not a good one by anyone's means but his. I think he expects to get what he wants with them no matter what but will likely stop before letting her be blamed. She won't be his whatever it is that she is to him (I don't really want to know that) if he sells her out and I think she is probably his biggest supporter. Maybe that will change if he sells out her husband, that will be interesting to watch. I don't really know, just a feeling.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Nov 4, 2017, 05:49 PM

25. Old school post H2O Man.

Well done.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Nov 4, 2017, 06:01 PM

30. K&R

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Nov 4, 2017, 07:14 PM

32. As always, we can count on you for a thought provoking post.

I've seen the article going around that says Americans are more stressed about our government than anything else.

But this particular constitutional crisis is the true test of our republic. Will it hold? Will the checks and balances built into the Constitution by the founders succeed in rooting out Trump and his band of treasonous criminals? Will it be the death knell of the GOP (certainly, most Republican leadership is now tainted by the Russia scandal)?

I have gone back and forth, but now am tending to optimism as the wheels of justice continue to grind.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Nov 4, 2017, 07:15 PM

33. Yes - I remember the Old Days of DU

and thanks for this

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Nov 4, 2017, 07:25 PM

36. Those weak spots are known as keys. And we are seeing Mr. Mueller playing those keys like a master

plays a piano.

Perfect.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Nov 4, 2017, 09:00 PM

42. When you write, I think.

Back in the day, DU consistently offered discussions of a caliber that elicited thought-provoking replies. I can't put into words how much I learned from so many of the posters back then. Thank you for your contributions.....then and now.

After reading your Twisting in the Wind, I wondered what role Trump's disturbing psychological detachment might play in Mueller's investigation. What will happen when Mueller's (potential) questions to Trump create a request for answers with no escape route? What will happen when Mueller forces Trump out of his Fox-News, Speak-To-His-Base-Only world? There will be no paper towel rolls to throw, no disabled reporter to mock, no soldiers as props, no "My Generals" to bail him out. Just a man of integrity sizing up a soulless bully.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Nov 4, 2017, 11:01 PM

43. Agree with your comments

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Response to Sensitive soul (Reply #43)

Sun Nov 5, 2017, 04:15 AM

45. Welcome to Democratic Underground, soul. I look forward to seeing you here.

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Sun Nov 5, 2017, 04:14 AM

44. As Mueller keeps chopping away at Trump's trunk, Trump will gyrate further & further out of balance,

until eventually he topples.

I don't know who's there to keep his finger off the nukes and the Tomahawks. We have several extinction-level events plugged into Trump's short circuits. I hope he, and his traitor henchmen, can be defused in time.

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Sun Nov 5, 2017, 07:31 AM

46. Good one.

I enjoyed reading your post very much. Wish i could express myself like that. Peace.

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Sun Nov 5, 2017, 10:21 AM

49. K&R

Well written!

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Sun Nov 5, 2017, 11:14 AM

51. Well said

 

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Sun Nov 5, 2017, 11:52 AM

55. H2O Man! So interesting! Thanks for posting your thoughts.

 

Want to share this timeline with you: http://billmoyers.com/story/trump-russia-timeline/

Shows that Manafort, Stone & Trump go way back to the 1980's

Also both sons made comments about Russian monies coming in to them.

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Sun Nov 5, 2017, 12:53 PM

56. Thanks for the analysis.

You have some very thought-provoking insights.

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Sun Nov 5, 2017, 01:18 PM

57. Thanks for the post that keeps the little grey cells active. Interesting

how people like dotard always surrounds himself with others of like mind and seems intent on bringing out the worst in them. Maybe their currency based morality feeds off each other.

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