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louis c

(8,652 posts)
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 10:34 AM Nov 2017

Tax Cuts for Corporations Don't Increase Wages, Unions Do

Last edited Sun Nov 5, 2017, 12:38 PM - Edit history (1)

As the CNN commercial with the apple points out, facts matter.

I'm a union Rep and I have been negotiating union contracts for 25 years. At hospitals, schools, municipal light companies, pharmaceutical companies, sports stadiums and more. Both in the Private Sector and the Public Sector. Most of them are maintenance workers (i.e. electricians, technicians, plumbers, carpenters, laborers and painters), some are security technicians (ADT, TYCO and Direct TV). I am also part of an organizing team. We are responsible for about 42 Collective Bargaining Agreements (CBA's) in and around Boston.

Tax rates for corporations are irrelevant to this discussion of wage growth. Companies can pass through any taxes to the consumer. The key factor to a company increasing wages is profit. Profits have never been higher in almost all the industries I work with. Our CBA's run between 3 and 5 years, with 3 years being the norm. Raises have run between 2.5% and 3.5%, with some contracts increasing benefits each year. The norm is 3% per year and increases in pension contributions, which happens in a majority of the CBA's. The Pharmaceutical Industry is the most generous. We have at least 8 contracts where the best health care plans are paid 100% by the employer. Let me repeat that, health care premiums for maintenance workers at 100%, with Harvard Pilgrim, Blue Cross and Blue Shield, and in some cases the union's health care plan, which is self insured.

Corporations consider labor a commodity. They will not pay more for any commodity than they have to. Hence, the union sets the rate in contract negotiations through collective bargaining and strike threats (I haven't had a strike in the 25 years I've been negotiating).

Licensed personnel (Plumbers, HVAC, Electricians) make, on average, between $85,000 a year and $100,000 a year, the unlicensed personnel make between $60,000 a year and $75,000, depending on the individual CBA. I represent some electrical engineers working at a municipal light company making between $135,000 and $160,000, but those are high end, highly educated positions.

So, to my point. The middle class has shrunk over the past 4 decades in a similar proportion to the reduction in union membership (we call it "density&quot . Profits are doing fine. Look at the stock market. The Market increases as profits go to the share holders. There is no need for a tax cut to increase wages. If the boards of directors wanted to increase wages, there's plenty of money to do so. Do you think the Walton's don't increase wages and benefits at WalMart because they don't have enough money? Do you think that they will do it now because they can leave their offspring their fortune without paying taxes on it?

And Unions don't only increase wages at union locations, but at non-union locations as well. When we start an organizing drive to get a majority of workers to vote in a sanctioned election to become union, the company always promises to increase wages and benefits in order to say to the workers "see, we're good employers. you don't need the union." They can't actually do it during the election drive, as that would be an unfair labor practice (ULP). Kinda like a bribe. But they can make that promise.

In the past 25 years, federal and state laws have made it more difficult to unionize a work force. "Right to Work" laws decimated unions in 28 states. Right to Work makes paying dues optional. Yet, the union must still give full service to every member, whether they contribute or not. The Labor Dept. estimates that a union worker makes between 24% and 28% greater wages and benefits than workers, performing similar work at non-union location. Dues run between 2% and 3% for a union worker. You do the math. Who do you think is better off? That's not including all the other services that a union provides, like seniority, protection against discrimination and arbitrary termination.

Tax cuts have always meant higher profits and higher dividends. But only in a union environment, can profits translate into wage growth, and there is already more than enough profits to accomplish that.

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Tax Cuts for Corporations Don't Increase Wages, Unions Do (Original Post) louis c Nov 2017 OP
The decline in union membership continued mountain grammy Nov 2017 #1
States also make labor law louis c Nov 2017 #2
yes indeed and mountain grammy Nov 2017 #3
Some of it is our rank and file's fault louis c Nov 2017 #4
Oh, I remember the constant battles. mountain grammy Nov 2017 #7
Amen. shockey80 Nov 2017 #5
Corp. Profits and Tax Cuts Are Used for Stock Buybacks and CEO Compensation-Not Higher Wages dlk Nov 2017 #6
GREAT quote RandomAccess Nov 2017 #8
Tax cuts for the rich do not work Gothmog Nov 2017 #9

mountain grammy

(26,620 posts)
1. The decline in union membership continued
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 10:44 AM
Nov 2017

even with Democratic majorities in Congress and Democratic administrations. This, I think is where the Democratic party, in the never ending quest for corporate cash, let down their base.

http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2015/02/23/385843576/50-years-of-shrinking-union-membership-in-one-map

 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
2. States also make labor law
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 10:54 AM
Nov 2017

The Democrats controlled Congress, the Senate and the Presidency for only 20 months over the last 30 years.

States also make labor laws, and they changed each time when Republicans took complete control of legislatures and Governorships.

There's a reason why union membership is 20% in Massachusetts (with higher wages and standard of living) than in North Carolina, at less than 1%. it's the state laws.

mountain grammy

(26,620 posts)
3. yes indeed and
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 11:05 AM
Nov 2017

in the 90's when I was working and a union steward, we were fighting against a Republican majority in our state legistlature. We managed to win battles, but ulitmately lost the war.
I feel the battles in Madison, WI were the chance for the national Democratic party to get involved and on board with unions, but Obama backed down. I believe he could have brought some real muscle into that fight.

I think, after the 1992 and 2008 elections, the national Democratic party pretty much ignored union struggles at the state level and that's why we're where we are today.

 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
4. Some of it is our rank and file's fault
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 11:10 AM
Nov 2017

They started to prioritize non-economic issues, like guns and other social issues that aligned with Republicans.

I know I argued with many a brother on this topic.

mountain grammy

(26,620 posts)
7. Oh, I remember the constant battles.
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 12:01 PM
Nov 2017

and my sons are now trying to fight the good fight.. My older son is so disgusted, saving like a madman so he can retire in 5 years.
But, he and my younger son, still union, still active, still working for their members, many of whom appreciate nothing and are too ready to remain willfully ignorant.. sexism and racism run deep.

 

shockey80

(4,379 posts)
5. Amen.
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 11:45 AM
Nov 2017

I have been saying the same thing for decades. Unions are about the big picture. Balance of power. Without unions, workers have no power. For some reason most working people cannot figure that fact of life out. People quickly point out the flaws of unions and ignore the benefits and the fact unions are necessary. Period.

dlk

(11,566 posts)
6. Corp. Profits and Tax Cuts Are Used for Stock Buybacks and CEO Compensation-Not Higher Wages
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 11:49 AM
Nov 2017

U.S. corporations are sitting on record high levels of cash but have not significantly raised wages or benefits as a result. The profits and gains stay at the top, in the form of stock buybacks and executive compensation. Larger tax cuts and profits will not change their behavior but will only reinforce it. That's why unions are vital to restoring balance to the workplace, and why the GOP fights so hard against them. People and corporations don't change until they have to.

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