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Sun Nov 5, 2017, 06:06 PM

When was the last time a thought or a prayer stopped a bullet?

When was the last time a thought or a prayer brought back a child - or anyone else - blown away by a bullet?

They roll out "thoughts and prayers" it seems like once or twice a month.

What, exactly, does it do?

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Reply When was the last time a thought or a prayer stopped a bullet? (Original post)
NNadir Nov 2017 OP
delisen Nov 2017 #1
lindysalsagal Nov 2017 #8
delisen Nov 2017 #33
lindysalsagal Nov 2017 #38
delisen Nov 2017 #45
lindysalsagal Nov 2017 #48
Codeine Nov 2017 #13
delisen Nov 2017 #34
3catwoman3 Nov 2017 #2
NurseJackie Nov 2017 #3
Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #4
NurseJackie Nov 2017 #5
rickford66 Nov 2017 #6
CatMor Nov 2017 #26
LeftInTX Nov 2017 #31
Codeine Nov 2017 #7
NurseJackie Nov 2017 #10
Angry Dragon Nov 2017 #14
cwydro Nov 2017 #42
NurseJackie Nov 2017 #9
Angry Dragon Nov 2017 #11
doc03 Nov 2017 #12
Codeine Nov 2017 #15
Snake Plissken Nov 2017 #16
Horse with no Name Nov 2017 #20
cwydro Nov 2017 #43
Snake Plissken Nov 2017 #46
Doodley Nov 2017 #17
NNadir Nov 2017 #18
Doodley Nov 2017 #35
fescuerescue Nov 2017 #19
NNadir Nov 2017 #21
fescuerescue Nov 2017 #22
NNadir Nov 2017 #23
fescuerescue Nov 2017 #24
madville Nov 2017 #25
NNadir Nov 2017 #30
Mackey208 Nov 2017 #27
better Nov 2017 #28
Glamrock Nov 2017 #29
LeftInTX Nov 2017 #32
pintobean Nov 2017 #36
liquid diamond Nov 2017 #41
cwydro Nov 2017 #44
WinkyDink Nov 2017 #37
NCTraveler Nov 2017 #39
calendargirl Nov 2017 #40
Alea Nov 2017 #47
NNadir Nov 2017 #49

Response to NNadir (Original post)

Sun Nov 5, 2017, 06:11 PM

1. without the prayers millions would have been killed.

Prayer has stopped WWIII many times. can you prove me wrong?
God works in mysterious ways and all that.

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Response to delisen (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 5, 2017, 06:24 PM

8. It's your obligation to prove your statement. Show me god and I'll believe. You can't.

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 6, 2017, 03:43 AM

33. No one has an obligation to prove a statement of belief.

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Response to delisen (Reply #33)

Mon Nov 6, 2017, 06:30 PM

38. Belief is not fact, and so is irrelevant.

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #38)

Mon Nov 6, 2017, 07:26 PM

45. Of course belief is not fact, but it may be relevant.

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Response to delisen (Reply #45)

Mon Nov 6, 2017, 10:19 PM

48. Not to me.

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Response to delisen (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 5, 2017, 06:29 PM

13. One cannot prove a negative.

You've made an assertion. It is upon you to make any necessary proofs.

And it's an absolutely ridiculous assertion, btw.

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Response to Codeine (Reply #13)

Mon Nov 6, 2017, 03:45 AM

34. No one has an obligation to prove a statement of belief.

You are stating opinion which is your right.

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Response to NNadir (Original post)

Sun Nov 5, 2017, 06:11 PM

2. "What, exactly, does it do?"

Diddly squat.

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Response to NNadir (Original post)

Sun Nov 5, 2017, 06:12 PM

3. ###

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Response to NNadir (Original post)

Sun Nov 5, 2017, 06:13 PM

4. To be fair, though, it is just as effective as his "extreme vetting" - called for

in the wake of then NYC attack with a car.

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Response to NNadir (Original post)

Sun Nov 5, 2017, 06:15 PM

5. ***

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Response to NNadir (Original post)

Sun Nov 5, 2017, 06:20 PM

6. It's Texas. At least one person in the church had to be carrying.

I've spent lots of time in Texas and most of the South. I have relatives down there. I bet in a group of three, at least one person has a gun close by. My Dad was on a business trip in Louisiana in the 60's. He and another manager at the factory randomly asked an employee to open his trunk. Told him they were interested in how much storage space there was. Several guns. Rifles and handguns.

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Response to rickford66 (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 5, 2017, 10:43 PM

26. What kind of a country do we live in when you carry a gun

in to church. If you're going to church I would think you follow the commandment that says thou shall not kill. It all seems so hypocritical.

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Response to CatMor (Reply #26)

Mon Nov 6, 2017, 02:12 AM

31. Some people carry their handgun everywhere

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Response to NNadir (Original post)

Sun Nov 5, 2017, 06:22 PM

7. There are none more useless than those

who seek answers on their knees, with their eyes closed.

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Response to Codeine (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 5, 2017, 06:27 PM

10. Damn.

Excellent.

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Response to Codeine (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 5, 2017, 06:30 PM

14. good point

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Response to Codeine (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 6, 2017, 06:51 PM

42. I am not religious.

Mom was agnostic and Dad an atheist.

However, NEVER would I sneer at another personís faith.

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Response to NNadir (Original post)

Sun Nov 5, 2017, 06:27 PM

9. !!!

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Response to NNadir (Original post)

Sun Nov 5, 2017, 06:28 PM

11. Only in the movies

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Response to NNadir (Original post)

Sun Nov 5, 2017, 06:28 PM

12. That is because they were not true beleivers.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 5, 2017, 06:30 PM

15. If only they had let Jesus into their lives. nt

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Response to NNadir (Original post)

Sun Nov 5, 2017, 06:33 PM

16. I guarantee you almost all of the survivors in that church believe God saved them

and will never question why God did nothing to save those who died.

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Response to Snake Plissken (Reply #16)

Sun Nov 5, 2017, 09:27 PM

20. Lots of truth in this statement. n/t

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Response to Snake Plissken (Reply #16)

Mon Nov 6, 2017, 06:53 PM

43. You will guarantee that, will you?

Do you know anyone at that church?

Smh. What an awful thing to say, especially with no standing to say it.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #43)

Mon Nov 6, 2017, 07:45 PM

46. Yes I not only guarantee it, I offer 100% of your money back if you're not satisfied

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Response to NNadir (Original post)

Sun Nov 5, 2017, 07:52 PM

17. I'm an atheist, but I can see the benefit in prayer. Prayer is an expression of love. Politics and

assholes take the positive that can be found in prayer and belief and corrupt it.

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Response to Doodley (Reply #17)

Sun Nov 5, 2017, 07:56 PM

18. My point wasn't actually about prayer itself; to each his or her own: It was about the rote...

...an ineffective response that has become a set of code words for "Don't bother me."

The big lie is that nothing can be done. Something can be done, but we live in a culture of withered ethics.

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Response to NNadir (Reply #18)

Mon Nov 6, 2017, 06:03 AM

35. I see. Yes, I agree. Prayer is no substitute for empathy and action.

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Response to NNadir (Original post)

Sun Nov 5, 2017, 09:25 PM

19. It's as effective as talking about things on an Internet Chat board

We talk all the time about impeaching Trump, (or Bush back in the day), we talk about banning guns, talk about who we think should be a candidate etc. Sometimes we make rules and agree to NOT talk about things, in hopes that not talking about things will have an affect too. Lots and lots of talk.

It's almost a form of prayer. Doesn't really have an impact on the outside world, but it sure makes us feel better.

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Response to fescuerescue (Reply #19)

Sun Nov 5, 2017, 09:28 PM

21. I really don't find political discourse quite as ineffective as handing out preprinted cards...

...after each mass murder reading "thoughts and prayers."

Sorry, but there is a difference.

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Response to NNadir (Reply #21)

Sun Nov 5, 2017, 09:34 PM

22. Of course it's different

But real political discourse is active face to face discussions and demonstrations. People who change their mind over the Internet are as rare as hens teeth.

In general, internet forums attribute to themselves a FAR FAR higher level of importance than they actually have. We do the same thing with our "hopes". I've even caught myself saying "I know I should noy hope for XYZ"...before realizing that my simple hope doesn't matter a whit.

Internet forums can be extremely entertaining, and they self assuring, but have pretty much zero impact on the things that trouble us. Much like prayer.

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Response to fescuerescue (Reply #22)

Sun Nov 5, 2017, 09:42 PM

23. I don't buy what you say for a New York second. The written word, no matter what format, has...

...always been a powerful force for change.

Your argument sounds like "The Federalist Papers were wishful thinking..." etc.

I will admit that there are some people who are barely literate even if they can spell and sound out words. But there still are a large number of people who can and do think.

My mind has been changed by many things I read on electronic media, and I hardly expect that I'm alone.

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Response to NNadir (Reply #23)

Sun Nov 5, 2017, 10:28 PM

24. That's fine

But I don't think we are writing the Federalist papers here. Ultimately I believe that our discussions have about the same impact as a good prayer.

But opinions vary.

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Response to NNadir (Original post)

Sun Nov 5, 2017, 10:34 PM

25. When was the last time a law stopped a bullet?

Sounds like the shooter was already prohibited from owning firearms due to domestic violence convictions.

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Response to madville (Reply #25)

Mon Nov 6, 2017, 12:52 AM

30. From traveling or from being fired?

A nonsensical person of the "guns don't kill people" ilk, mindless, sound bite twitter types might focus on the former and think that they're being cute or even clever.

they're not. They're asses.

As for the latter, a bright person with a ounce of intelligence and insight might look at the gun murder rates of any of 50 or 60 nations with intelligent gun laws and easily discern the answer.

Have a nice workweek.

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Response to NNadir (Original post)

Sun Nov 5, 2017, 10:52 PM

27. Thoughts and prayers

It helps the NRA and Repubs to clear their conscious. They have the blood of every gun victim on their hands.

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Response to NNadir (Original post)

Sun Nov 5, 2017, 11:01 PM

28. When people are getting gunned down IN CHURCH

It's reasonable to assume that they weren't suffering from a lack of prayer.
A lack of effective gun control, however...

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Response to NNadir (Original post)

Sun Nov 5, 2017, 11:42 PM

29. Jules in Pulp Fiction maybe?

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Response to NNadir (Original post)

Mon Nov 6, 2017, 02:17 AM

32. I wonder what Pat Robinson will say?

"Las Vegas happened cuz it was Sin City".....

I guess he could say, "Sutherland Springs happened because it was a little rickety wooden church and not the home of a televangelist"

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Response to NNadir (Original post)

Mon Nov 6, 2017, 06:45 AM

36. It's more productive than bitching on the internet

as it gives some comfort to believers who are grieving.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #36)

Mon Nov 6, 2017, 06:45 PM

41. Im an atheist, and I agree.

 

This thread shows how low people can stoop by making fun of shooting victims.

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Response to liquid diamond (Reply #41)

Mon Nov 6, 2017, 06:58 PM

44. Thank you.

Iíve learned a lot about how cold some peopleís hearts are here, just in the last couple days.

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Response to NNadir (Original post)

Mon Nov 6, 2017, 06:37 PM

39. It helps many of the living.

 

Few, outside of real crazies, say a thought or prayer will stop a bullet. Though it would be correct to say that tomorrowís killings will only stop with honest thoughts today.

Itís also why itís often followed up by ďfor the friends and family of...Ē Itís a statement directed at the living with thoughts of healing in mind.

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Response to NNadir (Original post)

Mon Nov 6, 2017, 06:44 PM

40. It is as effective as healing white light and positive vibes nt

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Response to NNadir (Original post)

Mon Nov 6, 2017, 07:45 PM

47. Sometimes the hate on this forum rivals the most hateful forums on the web

Democrats are suppose to be more compassionate than their rivals but you wouldn't know it by reading some of the threads and comments made over the past 2 days, or even since Nov 8, 2016

I'm a young democrat and I admit I don't know all the ins and outs of politics, but I know hate when I see it.

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Response to Alea (Reply #47)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 06:15 AM

49. I personally apologize to you if my anger comes across as hate but as an old...

...democrat I feel great anger, certainly sometimes bordering, frankly, on hatred, for the idea of hiding immorality behind professions of faith.

Faith can be a very beautiful thing; I have seen it in my own family.

But indifference disguised as faith can be an ugly thing, a very dangerous thing.

Surely we must have compassion for the dead; and I believe that there are sometimes - much more rare - that we owe some measure of compassion for the killers.

We have mass shootings in this country as often now as we have new moons. I confess I do hate that. It's almost, as I noted elsewhere, as if our politicians have preprinted cards they hand out at every new moon reading "thoughts and prayers."

As you age, you may find that not all republicans are represented by the likes of Trump, nor, to be honest, are all Democrats sensible and kind and intelligent like, say, Obama.

You sound like a lovely person in just these brief words. I certainly hope we value people like yourself. Forgive us when we're at our worst.

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