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Tue Nov 14, 2017, 01:39 PM

I've been in denial.

I've been telling myself I was disgusted more than angry over the election, the seeming acceptance of the election, the attempts at normalization of Trump, his family, his cabinet, his conflicts - all things Trump, really. His supporters, the idea of good Nazis, the attacks on all things decent. Again, all things Trump and all things Conservative/Republican/Right wing.

But I'm actually very angry. Incredibly so.

I've missed or ignored the usual signs of anger in me. If I am angry and shed tears, I'm less likely to blow as the tears act as a release. I'm no less angry - just unlikely to lash out. My anger ebbs but my concern and caring don't. My humanity remains.

My anger has been cold, calm, and buried deep - but it is there and it has been acting on me. Tummy problems, headaches, and simply not wanting to bother with human interaction if it involves even the slightest chance of running across a republican of any persuasion.

I don't like me this way. There was a time when I could watch a hearing or press briefing or speech by a republican and maintain a sense of humor, even if only sardonic - my cynicism both a shield and a release. Now, I can't do it. It's too infuriating. I can still be mocking, but the release isn't there - only more anger. So I don't watch. I don't engage. I simply grow angrier.

I don't want to look at people through the lens of anger. It serves no purpose. And, of course, I get angry at myself for allowing it to happen. More anger.

Thank you for listening.

Solly

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 01:43 PM

1. I have a rather awful combination of anger and sadness/depression, myself.

It is taking away my energy levels and enthusiasm, my joy, my optimism. I recognize it in myself as a variable but finite loss of interest in my passions.

This has been a brutal year plus, no doubt. I suspect each of us here are variable in recognizing it in ourselves, and in how (if?) we are coping with it.

Hang in there....I am certainly trying to.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 01:45 PM

2. Yes, exactly. A loss of interest in my passions. Well put!

Thank you! You DO understand.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:53 PM

12. Same here.

That describes the way I feel perfectly. I thought last year was bad, but this year makes 2016 look like rainbows and sunshine. And, not just because of political things and national/world events. I lost my dad a couple of months ago, and my geezer kitty is rapidly declining. And, I hate this time of year. The one thing that sustains me is knowing that, at least with the political stuff, everything is going to come crashing down on those who have caused all this misery. I just hope the damage they are doing can be repaired, and that it won't take forever to fix things.

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #12)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:55 PM

16. .

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:59 PM

18. Thanks.

You, too.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:28 PM

33. I'm angry, more likely to lash out at Repubs over something

unrelated to politics. Never before, was I an angry person. I cry easily
I see the Syrian Refugees or contemate Lebanon, and I make tears, which I hide if othetsare around.
I'm distracted.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:26 PM

3. They talk about the stages of grief -- and this administration -- I don't EVER want to get to

acceptance. I am angry as well. I will never accept this is normal.

I totally understand where you are at.

I've been able to turn my anger into somehow being there for others who were never as vocal about things as I have been. I had to go to a family function up in upstate NY a few weeks ago.

Friends of mine who NEVER talk politics with me kept pulling me aside to tell me that even though they can't express themselves, they wanted me to know they too are disgusted and it helped them.

It helped me feel a bit better knowing we are far far from alone. I also helped me to know that my writings, posts, et all are helping people.

Hang in there Solly, so many of us share your anger.


Raine

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Response to Raine1967 (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:33 PM

6. Thank you, Raine.

It does help knowing I'm not alone. You are so right - I will never accept this as normal.

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Response to Raine1967 (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 04:13 PM

56. You are a bit mistaken about what acceptance means in the stages of grief

Acceptance is simply being able to acknowledge the truth about the facts of life as they are. When it's grief over a lost one it's the final stage when you can accept that they are gone. It has nothing to do with feeling normal or making anything normal. It's that time when you can actually do something about your life.

To accept the fact of Trump, et al in the grief sense means that you stop all forms of denying or trying not to deal with the facts. You ACCEPT the facts. That liberates you to do something about it in a constructive way. It has nothing whatsoever to do with normalizing the crap. Crap is crap.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:28 PM

4. I've been angry and pissed off since the election.

However I do take solace in knowing that the midterm elections will hopefully make Trump a lame duck. Although doing the Top 10 Conservative Idiots has given me an outlet to make fun of the news so I have that as well. Plus a large collection of bot and troll accounts that I've helped ban from Twitter for hate speech.

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Response to Initech (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:50 PM

10. I need an anger outlet. I haven't picked up my camera in a while, not with any real enthusiasm.

Photography was my calm activity - but the anger has gotten in the way.

Thanks! You brought a smile to my face.

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Response to Initech (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 04:25 PM

58. BTW, thanks for all you do!

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Response to Ligyron (Reply #58)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 04:40 PM

63. I'd love to see the Top 10 at the front of DU every week!

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:32 PM

5. Same here.

My whole mental make-up has changed since the election. Lots of anger. Lots of wondering how so many people are unable - or unwilling - to see the reality of Trump and his unconditional unacceptability. The gaping ill-logic of almost every response Republicans have to findings of their wrong-doing, insensitivity and incompetence.

You think you have it bad - try being a Hillary voter with a wife and brother-in-law who think Trump can do no wrong. It ain't pretty.

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Response to SpankMe (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:51 PM

11. Oh wow. You win. I couldn't do that.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:34 PM

7. I think that's true for most rational folks

I can't bear to hear them but I watch sometimes because I need to document their sheer evil and hubris

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Response to malaise (Reply #7)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:53 PM

13. I will sometimes watch after the fact, some clip online, but even that can be too much.



Small doses aren't as bad as the full assault. Still...

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:35 PM

8. Replace toxic hate with stone cold loathing. Much healthier and more effective. Take care. . . nt

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:54 PM

14. I usually can and am working on getting there. Thanks!

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:41 PM

9. You say it so perfectly.......and it IS EXACTLY HOW I FEEL AS WELL.......

Thank you.

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Response to a kennedy (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:55 PM

15. Thanks, a kennedy

& too!

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:56 PM

17. I don't have any good advice to offer, because I am right there with you

I have minimized all interactions with Republicans.

I read transcripts of any news regarding the white house so I don't have to look at their faces or hear the Aryan Twang of SHS - or even worse the gloating, ignorant, smug, nasal word vomit of the cheeto colored chancre himself.

I can't even tell if this helps. I am still pissed and tense all the time but I guess I'm less likely to break out in red faced rage attacks

Peace

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Response to The Polack MSgt (Reply #17)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:01 PM

19. Thanks, The Polack MSgt

It has to get better - even if only own a personal level.

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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #19)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:07 PM

20. I don't recommend drinking as much Rye as I do either...

I hear that cannabis has calming effects, but I still hold a clearance - so that's out of the question.

I like to walk the dog as well, but now it's getting cold and she is such a princess - doesn't like the cold and damp.

And unfortunately, cold and damp is the forecast round here until late March - Unless it's snow and ice storms instead

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Response to The Polack MSgt (Reply #20)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:17 PM

24. Not much of a drinker anyway. Walking the dogs does help.

Usually mild winters here, so that helps. I'm thinking of taking a road trip - getting out of my head is the goal.

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Response to The Polack MSgt (Reply #20)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:22 PM

29. I have been drinking too much

and putting on weight. That has stopped. I am out and active again.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:08 PM

21. Yeah, Me, Too

I've been depressed, disgusted, despondent (sorry for all the "d" words, it was not planned), but angry. Mostly angry.

We all learned long ago that there were a lot of willfully stupid people in the world. I just wish that they wouldn't vote, drive cars, or anything else that puts others in danger.

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Response to Leith (Reply #21)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:18 PM

25. lol! Seriously! Would be nice if they would stay home.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:12 PM

22. It took me over six months to get out of my funk over the election. But I see a way out of this ...

 

I am not shutting myself off away from it because there is no getting away from it until we change this crap and we still can do it.

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Response to emmett grogan (Reply #22)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:19 PM

26. You're right.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:14 PM

23. If you can, go out and do something.

I just finished circulating my petition for precinct committeeman.

My husband and I are circulating a nominating petition for a well-qualified candidate to run against our teahadist congressman.

Phone bank. Talk to people. Even if you can only do a little, it will help how you feel and help everyone else, too.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #23)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:20 PM

27. Thanks, murielm99

I'll find something positive to do. I've accepted my anger and now I can do something about it.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:20 PM

28. When did you visit Egypt?

Sorry, couldnít resist

As for your OP, you are not alone

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Response to still_one (Reply #28)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:26 PM

31. My husband went without me. I was so jealous!

He enjoyed dining in open air cafes while watching people play chess with almost life-size playing pieces, where the players walked around the board, carrying their pieces about. This was in Alexandria.

He brought me back all kinds of goodies but still....

Thanks!

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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #31)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 05:31 PM

74. ....................................................................................................

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:23 PM

30. K&R...

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Response to spanone (Reply #30)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:26 PM

32. :)

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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #32)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:31 PM

34. 👍🏼

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:33 PM

35. I have been living with a double dose of anger.

One directed at all things Trump as you have so well described, and another directed at a personal relationship.

Letting go of anger is very hard to do when it is difficult to remove yourself from the source of the anger, but if you
are able to do it, I recommend it. At least cut down on the amount to which you are exposed (news).

I have recently taken steps to remove myself from the relationship that has been causing me so much anger, and so far,
I'm feeling much better. I think the same techniques ought to apply to working on letting go of all things Trump.

Take that road trip. Walk the dogs. Go out with the camera. Cultivate an in-person friendship if there is someone
in your area that you'd like to get to know better.

And know that there are many of us here who can at least offer a cyber-hug.


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Response to mnhtnbb (Reply #35)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:41 PM

39. Thank you, mnhtnbb!!

(and more s)

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:39 PM

36. I have been consoling myself

by telling my self that we made it through Nixon, Reagan and both Bushes.

But inside I know this is on a whole different level.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #36)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:47 PM

40. It does feel different, to me, in that it feels like the years and years

of right-wing ignorance ( along with their greed and thuggery) has come to fruition. Trump is what they have been reducing the country to for years. This is what they wanted, no matter how they want to deny it from time to time - this is the country and president they have been waiting for.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:40 PM

37. You know? You said it perfectly.

But here's a little anecdote that might help a tiny bit. I have four women friends who are all rabid Democrats. We are all old -- around 70 to 80. We've lived life and have been through some shit. We exchange small holiday gifts - a token- usually not more than $10 or $15. So I was shopping online, looking at "impeach" or "hate tRump" merchandise, and had an ephiphany. The hatred left a bad taste in my mouth as it relates to holiday gift-giving. So my friends are getting RBG "Justice" mugs and "Dissent" mints. Yeah, I know. None of us need another mug, but it's the thought that counts, right? PEACE

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Response to Ineeda (Reply #37)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:48 PM

41. Sounds like a great gift! Thank you! That really helped!!

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:41 PM

38. cold, calm, and buried deep, mine too.

Most concerned for my daughters and grands' futures.

With you, Solly Mack.

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Response to elleng (Reply #38)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:49 PM

42. Yes! I worry for my nieces and nephews.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:49 PM

43. Thank you, Solly

There is a time to be angry and to take constructive action. There is no reason to regret an anger born from the injustice and destruction of our democracy. imo (edited to correct construction to constructive) It will take a lot of hard Democratic reconstruction to rebuild America's faith in the Justice Department. Until then, Beauregard is unfit for office. He should be impeached for lying under oath to Congress with intent to deceive.

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Response to saidsimplesimon (Reply #43)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:51 PM

44. I needed that reminder. Thank you, saidsimplesimon

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:57 PM

45. Yes, their aim

is to appeal to our lowest behavioral levels. They try to inspire hate and they get it .... hate doesn't care what's hated, only that it hates. There is still a lot of good in this world, try focusing on that for some time each day and don't let the GOP and their hate-mongers win.

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Response to relayerbob (Reply #45)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 04:04 PM

47. I agree. Lot of good in the world. Lot of beauty.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 04:00 PM

46. I'm with you

Between the smug looks on their faces as they hurt people with their legislation, and ignorant people cheering them on, I sometimes hope this planet is facing an asteroid extinction event to reset the world.

Hang in there.

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Response to RhodeIslandOne (Reply #46)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 04:05 PM

50. So true

Well said Rhode Island One.

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Response to RhodeIslandOne (Reply #46)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 04:07 PM

51. Oh, I can relate.

Especially with the willfully ignorant cheering them on.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 04:04 PM

48. Can Relate

I too have a lot of anger at not just trump, but my fellow white Americans. I am white and can not relate to white hating repubs at all. I almost lost a brother over it, but we then decided to not talk politics. He then got sick and died a year ago. His politics hurt us getting together and I do regret that. I just want the repubs to go away so we can have our country back. I fear that they will just cheat in 2018 and the total screwing of us all will be complete.

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Response to DownriverDem (Reply #48)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 04:10 PM

53. I have fantasies of them waking up and knowing better.

Like I said - fantasy.

But it would be nice.

I'm so sorry about your brother.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 04:05 PM

49. I have suffered a bad bout of depression

And my rage at all things Trump is also off the charts.

I hope you can slog through this, that we all can. Peace.

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Response to get the red out (Reply #49)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 04:11 PM

54. Me, too. Maybe we can and will get through this together.

The people on DU help a lot.

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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #54)

Wed Nov 15, 2017, 04:13 AM

83. They sure helped me!

I hit the wall from Hell and DU folks were there for me.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 04:08 PM

52. well stated

I can definitely relate. Itís not healthy.

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Response to G_j (Reply #52)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 04:13 PM

55. It isn't. I keep hoping to find my usual balance again.

I need to work harder at it.

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Response to G_j (Reply #52)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:41 PM

97. Its this type of thing that destroys me inside..

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 04:14 PM

57. Yup. Me too.

And almost everyone I know.

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Response to redwitch (Reply #57)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 04:40 PM

64. There's comfort in not being alone but I sure want the reason for the togetherness to

anything but what it is now.

Well, almost anything. A zombie apocalypse might be worse. Might. Maybe.

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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #64)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 04:44 PM

66. I can deal with dead zombies just fine.



Itís the living ones that cause me to lose sleep.

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Response to redwitch (Reply #66)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 04:51 PM

69. True. The solution there is clear. Dealing with the live ones takes more effort.

Trump, his family, his followers, and his enablers have all debased life. They are ugly people on the inside and everything they touch starts to decay.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 04:33 PM

59. I hear you

I'm in the same boat. I'm pissed, i'm tired of seeing all the fucking bullshit on facebook. I hate Trump and his supporters. I drink more than i probably should these days. I'm afraid to go out as a gay man and have a good time. I peeled my pride stickers off of my vehicle for safety.

I now travel armed, which is something i thought i would never have to do.

I am considering a move to the upper east coast because it's so bad down here. I cannot POSSIBLY fathom just how fucking stupid people are.

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Response to gay texan (Reply #59)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 04:37 PM

60. I know! I think I know how stupid people can be then they go and prove me wrong.

And the hits just keep coming. New lows invented. I know I want to move. Get somewhere less red. I know mean people are everywhere but some places are worse than others. Mean and ignorant is a bad combination.



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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 04:38 PM

61. Just know it will never happen again

because we all Woke now.

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Response to humbled_opinion (Reply #61)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 04:43 PM

65. I don't know. Trump supporters would follow someone else like him. Or someone worse.

For the same reasons they follow Trump now.

I don't think they are woke at all.

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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #65)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 06:03 PM

78. at this point we greatly

outnumber them and their cult gets smaller by the day

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 04:38 PM

62. A line from Angels in America sums it up for me

This is when Ethel Rosenberg's ghost is with Roy Cohn in the hospital as he is dying: †"I have borne my hatred up into the heavens and made a needle-sharp little star in the sky out of it. .... It burns acid green."

Every day in my morning meditation I manage to get behind it and can feel the knot unfurl between my shoulder blades. But every day it comes back. I'm hoping I'm learning something at a deeper level.

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Response to srobertss (Reply #62)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 04:48 PM

67. Thank you. It's a day to day struggle. I think maybe by admitting how deep my anger goes I

can deal with it better.

There's still disgust. A lot of it - but the anger is the driving force behind most of worries and feelings. It's been robbing me of pleasure. And I am someone who gets up to watch the sunrise just to tell the new day "Hello". I used to be, anyway. I was that annoying morning person everyone else wanted to slap.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 04:49 PM

68. .

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Response to Squinch (Reply #68)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 04:57 PM

71. It could be worse, I suppose. I think it best not to wonder about that though.

Might end up angrier once it bears out otherwise.

You all have helped a lot. I know what I need to do, so I need to get to it. I'll start with music. Something loud and angry I can dance to while singing in my usual off-key, make dogs howl special way. If I had a bucket, the tune would try to drown me in it.

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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #71)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 05:02 PM

73. You said it very well. I'm fighting against my desire to just shut it all out because I know I have

to stay active fighting it.

Election day gave me a little more energy and hope, but yes. My blood pressure has suffered along with you.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 04:57 PM

70. I am a spiritual person, very compassionate. I tweet really mocking things to Trumpers on twitter

and actually pray that the KFC will do its trick on Trump - and I can't even feel guilty about it. It is like hating Nazis - it is ok.

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Response to adigal (Reply #70)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 04:58 PM

72. lol! Thank you! That was great.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 05:46 PM

75. Counting the Days

When W and his ilk illegally invaded Iraq after we tried to stop it I found myself somewhat depressed and extremely disappointed. A visit with our family doctor was in order where he inspired me to find something to do in opposition to the regime.
Thus the BBG began. I began counting down the days till BushBeGone which I optimistically thought would be Jan 20, 2005. I printed off sheets with little BBG and sequential numbers -
BBG
555
BBG
554
....
Then pasted them to card stock, cut them out individually and wore the appropriate one every day. I used flag pins to fix them to my shirt. And if anyone asked I shared the meaning and the days left to be rid of W.
Sadly I had to recalibrate my countdown in Nov Ď04 but I again began counting down. And always willing to speak to looking forward to being rid of the W.
My point is to find a channel for your opposition. A way to direct your rage and vent your animus for this unacceptable state we are in today. And show up. There was a very cathartic moment to yell FU and throw peanuts at the motorcade when W came to town on a campaign stop in Ď04.

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Response to BBG (Reply #75)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 05:49 PM

76. Great advice. Thanks.

Throw Big Macs at Trump just to see him scramble for a bite. Or something along those lines.

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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #76)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 05:53 PM

77. Quarter Pounders aint peanuts

But yessss, thatís an idea too. But loud and raucous FU from many in attendance was the best part. Sorta like the bicycle lady that flipped him off, that really feels good.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 10:11 PM

79. I know what you mean by angry

I suffer no right wing bs. I call them putin loving nazis. I actually had one trump lover tell me how he hated "the gays". I asked him why he even cared, was he jealous? He said, "NO. I just think they're tearing down the moral fabric of the nation." I couldn't help it, I laughed in his face. He said, "Why are you laughing?" I said, "You support a scumbag who's admitted to sexually assaulting women, had Russian prostitutes piss on him, is involved in money laundering with mobsters, child sex trafficking, is a russian agent, thinks nazis are great, supports russia over America and you're worried about homosexuals. Jesus was right when he said you pharisees would swallow a camel and choke on a gnat." Good grief, what hypocrites.

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Response to disambiguation (Reply #79)

Wed Nov 15, 2017, 08:30 AM

91. They are hypocrites. Ignorant hypocrites.

I'm OK with a healthy level of anger but I think mine has crossed a line. I don't like me like that.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 10:34 PM

80. I'm with you there, Solly.

I find myself blowing up at the least little thing now. I didn't used to be this way, but when we are so heavily burdened even a falling leaf landing on me seems to much to bear. I haven't found a constructive way to get the anger out.

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Response to brer cat (Reply #80)

Wed Nov 15, 2017, 08:28 AM

90. I find it's not as bad when I don't watch them on the tube.

But then I go out to run an errand and without fail, some trumpster is offering up an opinion. Maddening.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 10:46 PM

81. I think I might be similarly afflicted. Thank you!

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Response to BadGimp (Reply #81)

Wed Nov 15, 2017, 08:21 AM

89. You're welcome.

The boat is crowded but still floating.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 11:50 PM

82. K&R

Thanks for posting...

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Response to lordsummerisle (Reply #82)

Wed Nov 15, 2017, 08:33 AM

93. Thank you.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Wed Nov 15, 2017, 04:47 AM

84. I have a lot of depression issues and have to be careful not to backslide...

Dubya energized me and I became very active in my community.

Trump was a gut-punch and honestly I feel numb.

For me, the good news is we bought a new house and everything to do with that has kept me occupied for some months. I love this house -- We are 70 and hope we can enjoy it for years to come. I try to focus on that.

But Trump hovers over all, malignant and terrifying, the Trojan Horse who brings in the destruction of all I have ever held dear about my country and its prospects for progress.

I try not to say this to anyone. Fortunately my family and friends, political and apolitical alike, are not Trump fans.

Hang in there, Solly.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #84)

Wed Nov 15, 2017, 08:19 AM

87. Congrats on the new house! Many happy years.



Thank you!

He does hover over all and in just the way you describe.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Wed Nov 15, 2017, 07:43 AM

85. I just read through the long list of replies and it made me think....

As much as one CAN think at the crack of dawn.

Your comment about the anger made me realize Iíve had some level of anger since 2000 when Bush the Younger was (s)elected. I didnít get to vote that year because my sister died and we were at her funeral out of town on Election Day. I remember our family watching the returns that night and just being gob smacked at the way things were going. Then that whole debacle that followed hit us all between the eyes. What followed was 8 years of more unbelievably wacko events that kept many of us enraged and feeling rather powerless.

And then came Obama. We were on top of the world. At last our nightmare was over. Everything seemed just primed and ready to make things good again. Turn it all around. Until we got that kick in the gut feeling as the Republicans tried to twart everything Obama set out to do. He managed to pull off some amazing hat tricks even as they worked behind the scenes to destroy his presidency. So we felt a little better.

It was a false sense of security to get lulled in by what Obama accomplished in the face of opposition determined to stop him. We let our guard down and along came tRump. We were sure that Hillary, smart, poised, accomplished would run circles around him. And she did. But we were not counting on how determined he was to win. We didnít know then what we know now. So our common sense told us that no one in their right mind would vote for someone as vile as him. But we were wrong.

Not only did a lot of people vote for that disgusting piece of trash, there was a thumb on the scale that we didnít realize was screwing over the rest of us. And now weíve had just about a year of his self serving, criminally tainted administration destroying everything in its path. We watch in abject horror, never knowing from one day to the next what they will do that disgusts or dismays us.

So it is no wonder we are angry. We have very good reasons to be paranoid, seething with the knowledge that the very foundation of our country is being undermined from within. And we feel powerless to do a damn thing except seethe and come to places like DU to vent our rage and commiserate. The power to fight back that we felt on the day after Inauguration Day, put on a pussy hat and say HELL NO, has more or less dissipated. We feel demoralized and defeated. And that is not a good place to be.

The good news (and goodness knows we need some of that) is that Mueller is working like a demon to pull this case against tRump and his minions together. It has more sides to it than an octopus has tentacles. It is complicated by design. It is going in 40 directions at once. But Mueller is no fool and the man knows how to delegate. No one person could do it all, so he has Chopped this bugger up and is slowly but surely figuring out their scheme and scams.

So I think we need to dry our tears of frustration, hold our heads high and count on our system to work. It is hard, damn hard with tRump ruining so much, but hang on we must. Find better coping skills. Less drinking hard liquor, more cool water. Less sitting in the recliner, brooding and stewing. More walking, doing something creative and fun. Keep up with whatís going on but not in a compulsive, destructive way. We can do this but it wonít be easy or painless.

I think we still need to turn to our friends and buds here at DU but we need to revamp our interactions so we encourage and embolden each other to do better. And channel some energy back into ourselves so we dig out that pussy hat and let others know weíre mad as hell and not gonna sit back and just take it. Organize, demonstrate and refuse to knuckle under.

We need a mix of spunk, creative outlets and more laughter, less angst. So let us make a pact that we will do better, try not to sink into despair and know that this fight we are in will not last forever. Believe that tRumpís time is coming to an end sooner rather than later. We have to latch on to the positive and move forward and not allow ourselves to become mired in the past.

Hope we all have better days...starting with this one!

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Response to Grammy23 (Reply #85)

Wed Nov 15, 2017, 08:17 AM

86. Thank you! I enjoyed reading your response.

I've been angry since Bush 2000 too. A little ebb and flow, but that anger is still with me as well. Didn't help this time around at all.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Wed Nov 15, 2017, 08:20 AM

88. Yeah, it's like an episode from the Twilight Zone.

What was up is now down. What was right is now wrong. What was black is now orange.

I am sickened with disgust. Anger is boiling directly underneath.

The two weeks after that orange thing committed treason by stealing the US election with open cooperation with russians and nazis', I was in complete state of shock. As the shock waned anger and depression filled the void left by the shock.

I completely left my church. Before that dark day, I was extremely involved with my church. I was a Catholic. Far too many there voted, supported, and admired anything republican and that orange shit. The hypocrisy is just sickening! I ended up turning in my keys Feb 3. During that time (11/8-2/3) I went from 125lbs to 98lbs.

Since then, I joined a gym, got a trainer. It helps with the anger. That and the way I see it, I was in no shape to fight back. I need to be able to march in protests! Walk areas to canvas for Dem candidates. And all the things it takes muscle and strength to do.

Hey I can do a pull-up now! I have never been able to do that. It took me 51 years but damn it, I can do pull-ups now!

I am still angry. Watching your country being destroyed does have that effect on people.

I totally feel and understand where you and the many that have replied to your post, are coming from. I am there too. But with a lot more muscle mass! And abs! For the first time in my life, I like my body. It looks good!

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Response to kydo (Reply #88)

Wed Nov 15, 2017, 08:32 AM

92. What a positive response to the anger! You're right, get better and fight back.

Congrats on the pull-ups!!



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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Wed Nov 15, 2017, 08:42 AM

94. Republicans fox propaganda tv, cheney wars & later the birth certificate fraud pushed by RW-

that's when Republican party lost all my 'trust'. Even many Ds in power, they let this crap go on for decades, a lifetime for many Americans.

This explosion of fake news crap,
fraud gov. reports/fraud polls to advance personal agendas,
hacker attacks against our democracy &
collusions of our government officials (and people who want to run for gov. positions) with foreign governments just make our country much worse for everyone.

heads have to roll to stop these criminals,
real Journalists must question HARDER,

I don't know what's taking them so long to roll the first head.

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #94)

Wed Nov 15, 2017, 08:50 AM

95. The lack of actual accountability has been a major cause to the continued existence

of the right-wing, the actions of Shrub, and the rise of Trump. Even Nixon got off light. Reagan and Poppy Bush should have been jailed - or tossed from office at the very least. Not allowed to resign - thrown out.

They can always fall back on the if we did anything wrong then why weren't we arrested or jailed or tossed from office.

I don't think it serves the country or its citizens to allow the corrupt an easy way out.

Why cushion the blow for them when their actions never once considered the blow they were delivering to the people?

It's not mercy staying anyone's hands.

And, yes - that is a huge part of my anger. The lack of accountability leading to worse actions and more dangerous officials. It's also a big part of my disgust.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Wed Nov 15, 2017, 11:39 AM

96. Exactly.

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