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Stuart G

(38,428 posts)
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 11:01 PM Nov 2017

Rare Da Vinci painting smashes world records with $450 million sale

http://www.cnn.com/style/article/da-vinci-salvator-mundi-sale-christies/index.html

Leonardo da Vinci's "Salvator Mundi" has become the most expensive artwork to ever sell at auction, going for $450.3 million at Christie's in New York. Dating back to around 1500, the rare painting is one of fewer than 20 authenticated works by the Italian in existence.

Original estimates had predicted bids of over $100 million for the piece. But the new record was set after approximately 20 minutes of telephone bidding, far surpassing the previous auction record held by Picasso's "Les Femmes d'Alger," which sold for $179.4 million in 2015.

Although lacking the detail and clarity of the "Mona Lisa" -- which was created in approximately the same period -- "Salvator Mundi" attracted crowds of visitors during pre-auction viewings in London, Hong Kong and San Francisco. It depicts Jesus Christ in Renaissance clothing, one hand raised in blessing and the other holding a crystal orb.

First commissioned by Louis XII of France, the 26 inch tall by 18 inch wide oil painting was later owned by England's Charles I. But the artwork had been presumed lost since the late 18th century.

When "Salvator Mundi" reappeared at auction in 1958, it was dismissed as a copy and sold for £45 ($59). Acquired by a group of art dealers for less than $10,000 in 2005, the painting -- which was in poor condition and had been heavily overpainted -- was painstakingly restored and subsequently authenticated

The record-breaking price tag will come as a relief to previous owner Dmitry Rybolovlev, a Russian businessman, who bought the painting for $127.5 milion in 2013.
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Rare Da Vinci painting smashes world records with $450 million sale (Original Post) Stuart G Nov 2017 OP
I had to drop out at 200 million jberryhill Nov 2017 #1
Outstanding move..I agree ..clash with the recliner..and so many visitors to see it, Stuart G Nov 2017 #2
Are you the guy who outbid me on this one a while back? jberryhill Nov 2017 #6
On velvet, no doubt... NICE!!! longship Nov 2017 #24
Yeah, Im thinking the Da Vinci was probably cut in half jberryhill Nov 2017 #36
Why does Elvis get the bigger halo? Generic Other Nov 2017 #43
How many platinum records did Jesus sell? jberryhill Nov 2017 #44
I thought about it. Soxfan58 Nov 2017 #28
Oh, hell no jberryhill Nov 2017 #48
Horrible Not Ruth Nov 2017 #3
The free shipping feature gets 'em every time. TheCowsCameHome Nov 2017 #4
Wait, was the frame included? jberryhill Nov 2017 #9
Hahahahaha. Thanks. NT mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2017 #46
Please keep Mr. Bean away from that painting. oasis Nov 2017 #5
I think it is one of those moments in time....When you think you have seen it all? Guess what? Stuart G Nov 2017 #7
And the rich complain they pay too much tax. Geesh. PSPS Nov 2017 #8
But look how it will trickle down to struggling artists! jberryhill Nov 2017 #14
Rybolovlev, as in: Gabi Hayes Nov 2017 #10
Is Mueller looking into this great way to launder gazillions Gabi Hayes Nov 2017 #11
I caught it as well. Volaris Nov 2017 #12
Well, Well and Welll..............I guess Rybolovlev made some more on this investment.. Stuart G Nov 2017 #13
Is he not covered under magnitsky? Gabi Hayes Nov 2017 #15
Hmmmm? Freethinker65 Nov 2017 #16
Money Laundering in the Art World? delisen Nov 2017 #31
Sleazy ass russian-republican criminals against America & decency Achilleaze Nov 2017 #39
Quick edhopper Nov 2017 #17
When I saw this on MSNBC this morning they predicted BigmanPigman Nov 2017 #18
Back in the 50s my mother bought a pile of plates defacto7 Nov 2017 #19
What a respectable thing for your mom to do. BigmanPigman Nov 2017 #21
She was quite a person, died in '62. defacto7 Nov 2017 #22
"A set by William Shakespeare"? You make it sound like he was a pottery manufacturer muriel_volestrangler Nov 2017 #25
Look it up. defacto7 Nov 2017 #35
What's that supposed to mean? muriel_volestrangler Nov 2017 #40
No. I just did a search myself and found nothing. defacto7 Nov 2017 #42
Your mother had a valuable antique of some sort jberryhill Nov 2017 #45
Thank you.. defacto7 Nov 2017 #49
Or perhaps an antique Shakespeare plate by Wedgewood or something to that effect jberryhill Nov 2017 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author WinkyDink Nov 2017 #33
He made china as a profession for a time. And rather mundane defacto7 Nov 2017 #37
Yup. The Russian Oligarch made off like a bandit. Baitball Blogger Nov 2017 #20
"like"?! WinkyDink Nov 2017 #34
Looks like the Mona Lisa Beringia Nov 2017 #23
The price will "come as a relief" to the previous owner? DFW Nov 2017 #26
The version that sold for such a high price is not the "prime" version JCannon Nov 2017 #27
Good work. CanSocDem Nov 2017 #41
How many people could we feed Soxfan58 Nov 2017 #29
Feeding, clothing and sheltering people is fine, but this is an incomparable Jesus! jberryhill Nov 2017 #38
NPR had an art expert casting doubt on delisen Nov 2017 #30
More money laundering? zaj Nov 2017 #32
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
1. I had to drop out at 200 million
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 11:07 PM
Nov 2017

Because it’s a nice painting, but it would kind of clash with the upholstery on my recliner, and I’d have to reposition my TV wall mount.

Stuart G

(38,428 posts)
2. Outstanding move..I agree ..clash with the recliner..and so many visitors to see it,
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 11:10 PM
Nov 2017

no doubt they would ruin the living room carpet. I pulled out at fifty million because of limited parking where I live ..just too many visitors, and not enough spaces. Actually, I don't like the colors of the painting..too dull,not bright enough for me....kinda old...

Stuart G

(38,428 posts)
7. I think it is one of those moments in time....When you think you have seen it all? Guess what?
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 11:15 PM
Nov 2017

You ain't seen it all. 450 million for a piece of art?....what would 450 million buy? Oh oh..
I had better not go there...nope

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
10. Rybolovlev, as in:
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 11:16 PM
Nov 2017
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/07/donald-trump-2016-russian-ties-214116

Nobody noticed this?

The guy trump doubled his ~$45 mil Miami home investment with?

David Cay Johnston has the definitive story on this at his dcreport.org site (might be dcreports.org)

Lots of stuff here during the election theft
 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
11. Is Mueller looking into this great way to launder gazillions
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 11:19 PM
Nov 2017

of rubles—I mean dollars?

Bet lots of other ‘garchs are doing this

Stuart G

(38,428 posts)
13. Well, Well and Welll..............I guess Rybolovlev made some more on this investment..
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 11:21 PM
Nov 2017

oh...I guess more than 250 million...profit...

not bad for selling something..eh?.................WAIT>>>>> is this story made up?????
......................................only if CNN made this up..it is a CNN link.......but 450 million for a painting??? ain't possible..?????

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
15. Is he not covered under magnitsky?
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 11:24 PM
Nov 2017

If not, WHY not?

?????????

Isn’t that the reason it was passed?

BigmanPigman

(51,608 posts)
18. When I saw this on MSNBC this morning they predicted
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 11:34 PM
Nov 2017

that it would be high but not that high. They were discussing the poor person/persons who originally sold it for $10,000. That is the very sad part of the story.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
19. Back in the 50s my mother bought a pile of plates
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 11:55 PM
Nov 2017

at an estate sale for 10 cents. She put them away for a couple of years then decided to have a garage sale. A man came in looking around and asked if she'd take $5 for one of them. She thought she got a pretty good deal.
The guy went to Chicago and sold it for $8000. He was nice enough to come back and offer her $500. She turned it down. Fair and square deal.
It was the missing plate from a set by William Shakespeare. It had his signature on the back.

Gees mom.

BigmanPigman

(51,608 posts)
21. What a respectable thing for your mom to do.
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 11:59 PM
Nov 2017

She obviously is/was not a Republican. I wonder if Antiques Road Show would've been able to spot the treasure she had.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
22. She was quite a person, died in '62.
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:40 AM
Nov 2017

She fought against racism and stood with the black community fighting for equal rights. That was a tough stance for a white woman to take at the time. Lots of stories.

About that plate... $8000 could buy 3 houses back then and $500 a new car. Gees Mom!

muriel_volestrangler

(101,320 posts)
25. "A set by William Shakespeare"? You make it sound like he was a pottery manufacturer
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 05:12 AM
Nov 2017

Wrong name, perhaps?

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
42. No. I just did a search myself and found nothing.
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 09:58 AM
Nov 2017

Maybe I did get the name wrong. I don't know. I guess family legends can get twisted. Supposedly it was before I was born.

I'll stand down.

Opening up personally on the Internet is a mistake I should have figured out by now... or is it?

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
45. Your mother had a valuable antique of some sort
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 10:18 AM
Nov 2017

But family stories do indeed get mangled. Mainly because they are told to children.

Sometimes the actual stories are more interesting. So the research project here would be to figure out what sort of antique plate would have had that kind of value at that time.

Don’t let it bother you.

Response to defacto7 (Reply #19)

Baitball Blogger

(46,723 posts)
20. Yup. The Russian Oligarch made off like a bandit.
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 11:57 PM
Nov 2017

On the other hand, who knows if the painting was stolen and the thief never could find a valid way to make money off of it?

DFW

(54,399 posts)
26. The price will "come as a relief" to the previous owner?
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 06:22 AM
Nov 2017

Yes, I guess a quarter billion dollar profit in four years can be deemed a "relief." Unless Rybolovlev had outstanding debts of $300 million elsewhere, I'd say it that was a rather big relief. It will probably mean a huge $15.95 tax windfall, too, for the government of Bermuda or Monte Carlo or Gibraltar, or wherever it is he has his official residence.

 

JCannon

(67 posts)
27. The version that sold for such a high price is not the "prime" version
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 06:56 AM
Nov 2017

Since 2010, my ladyfriend (who has a degree in art history) and I have worked on a presentation to prove that the "Cook" version of the Salvator Mundi (the one which sold for $450 million) and the "de Ganay" version (which, we are informed, is now in Brazil) both came from Leonardo's studio, and that the de Ganay should be considered prime.

We have been working on a video documentary to demonstrate the evidence. Brief and misleading press accounts have given the public an incomplete view of these two paintings; we feel that our presentation gives the fullest account available of the provenance and histories of these two versions of the Salvator Mundi.

You can see the video (which is not yet complete) here:

http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2017/11/did-leonardo-da-vinci-really-paint.html

I know some people will score me for linking to a video posted on my own site. Sorry. Our argument is very technical and detailed and cannot be summarized here. Frankly, many points will not be understood without the visual component. So I hope that readers of DU will forgive my offering such a link in this one instance.

We ask only for a calm and objective weighing of the evidence. We invite all to double-check our sources, and we are open to serious counter-argument.

delisen

(6,044 posts)
30. NPR had an art expert casting doubt on
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 07:57 AM
Nov 2017

the authenticating of these supposed paintings by old masters.

some takeaways:

some may have been done not by the old master but by students, apprentices, or others. A painting may be old and of the era , have many of the characteristics of the old master but be painted by someone else.

sellers may be paying art experts a percentage of the selling price to authenticate instead of a customary flat fee. (If an authenticated art work is projected to sell for 100 million and the art expert will be paid 10 million of that instead of a 10 thousand fee how likely is the expert to find that the painting is a fake?

 

zaj

(3,433 posts)
32. More money laundering?
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 08:05 AM
Nov 2017

4x the price and suspicion about there are 2 both with questions about their quality?

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