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http://www.cnn.com/style/article/da-vinci-salvator-mundi-sale-christies/index.htmlLeonardo da Vinci's "Salvator Mundi" has become the most expensive artwork to ever sell at auction, going for $450.3 million at Christie's in New York. Dating back to around 1500, the rare painting is one of fewer than 20 authenticated works by the Italian in existence.
Original estimates had predicted bids of over $100 million for the piece. But the new record was set after approximately 20 minutes of telephone bidding, far surpassing the previous auction record held by Picasso's "Les Femmes d'Alger," which sold for $179.4 million in 2015.
Although lacking the detail and clarity of the "Mona Lisa" -- which was created in approximately the same period -- "Salvator Mundi" attracted crowds of visitors during pre-auction viewings in London, Hong Kong and San Francisco. It depicts Jesus Christ in Renaissance clothing, one hand raised in blessing and the other holding a crystal orb.
First commissioned by Louis XII of France, the 26 inch tall by 18 inch wide oil painting was later owned by England's Charles I. But the artwork had been presumed lost since the late 18th century.
When "Salvator Mundi" reappeared at auction in 1958, it was dismissed as a copy and sold for £45 ($59). Acquired by a group of art dealers for less than $10,000 in 2005, the painting -- which was in poor condition and had been heavily overpainted -- was painstakingly restored and subsequently authenticated
The record-breaking price tag will come as a relief to previous owner Dmitry Rybolovlev, a Russian businessman, who bought the painting for $127.5 milion in 2013.
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jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Because its a nice painting, but it would kind of clash with the upholstery on my recliner, and Id have to reposition my TV wall mount.
Stuart G
(38,428 posts)no doubt they would ruin the living room carpet. I pulled out at fifty million because of limited parking where I live ..just too many visitors, and not enough spaces. Actually, I don't like the colors of the painting..too dull,not bright enough for me....kinda old...
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)Just like "The King" ought to be rendered.
Oh! And Jesus, too.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Generic Other
(28,979 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Soxfan58
(3,479 posts)But I could not bring myself to take down the Dogs playing poker artwork!!!
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Who would take down a classic like that for an old picture of Jesus?
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)I speak from experience.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Fuck. I should have stayed in. I could have used that frame.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,465 posts)oasis
(49,388 posts)Stuart G
(38,428 posts)You ain't seen it all. 450 million for a piece of art?....what would 450 million buy? Oh oh..
I had better not go there...nope
PSPS
(13,599 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)Nobody noticed this?
The guy trump doubled his ~$45 mil Miami home investment with?
David Cay Johnston has the definitive story on this at his dcreport.org site (might be dcreports.org)
Lots of stuff here during the election theft
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)of rublesI mean dollars?
Bet lots of other garchs are doing this
Volaris
(10,271 posts)Stuart G
(38,428 posts)oh...I guess more than 250 million...profit...
not bad for selling something..eh?.................WAIT>>>>> is this story made up?????
......................................only if CNN made this up..it is a CNN link.......but 450 million for a painting??? ain't possible..?????
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)If not, WHY not?
?????????
Isnt that the reason it was passed?
Freethinker65
(10,023 posts)delisen
(6,044 posts)Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)lock them up
edhopper
(33,580 posts)give the buyer a tax cut.
BigmanPigman
(51,608 posts)that it would be high but not that high. They were discussing the poor person/persons who originally sold it for $10,000. That is the very sad part of the story.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)at an estate sale for 10 cents. She put them away for a couple of years then decided to have a garage sale. A man came in looking around and asked if she'd take $5 for one of them. She thought she got a pretty good deal.
The guy went to Chicago and sold it for $8000. He was nice enough to come back and offer her $500. She turned it down. Fair and square deal.
It was the missing plate from a set by William Shakespeare. It had his signature on the back.
Gees mom.
BigmanPigman
(51,608 posts)She obviously is/was not a Republican. I wonder if Antiques Road Show would've been able to spot the treasure she had.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)She fought against racism and stood with the black community fighting for equal rights. That was a tough stance for a white woman to take at the time. Lots of stories.
About that plate... $8000 could buy 3 houses back then and $500 a new car. Gees Mom!
muriel_volestrangler
(101,320 posts)Wrong name, perhaps?
defacto7
(13,485 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,320 posts)Are you saying that looking it up will show it's a hoax?
defacto7
(13,485 posts)Maybe I did get the name wrong. I don't know. I guess family legends can get twisted. Supposedly it was before I was born.
I'll stand down.
Opening up personally on the Internet is a mistake I should have figured out by now... or is it?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)But family stories do indeed get mangled. Mainly because they are told to children.
Sometimes the actual stories are more interesting. So the research project here would be to figure out what sort of antique plate would have had that kind of value at that time.
Dont let it bother you.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)You sound like an intuitive person... and practical too.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Response to defacto7 (Reply #19)
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defacto7
(13,485 posts)china at that.
Baitball Blogger
(46,723 posts)On the other hand, who knows if the painting was stolen and the thief never could find a valid way to make money off of it?
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Beringia
(4,316 posts)DFW
(54,399 posts)Yes, I guess a quarter billion dollar profit in four years can be deemed a "relief." Unless Rybolovlev had outstanding debts of $300 million elsewhere, I'd say it that was a rather big relief. It will probably mean a huge $15.95 tax windfall, too, for the government of Bermuda or Monte Carlo or Gibraltar, or wherever it is he has his official residence.
JCannon
(67 posts)Since 2010, my ladyfriend (who has a degree in art history) and I have worked on a presentation to prove that the "Cook" version of the Salvator Mundi (the one which sold for $450 million) and the "de Ganay" version (which, we are informed, is now in Brazil) both came from Leonardo's studio, and that the de Ganay should be considered prime.
We have been working on a video documentary to demonstrate the evidence. Brief and misleading press accounts have given the public an incomplete view of these two paintings; we feel that our presentation gives the fullest account available of the provenance and histories of these two versions of the Salvator Mundi.
You can see the video (which is not yet complete) here:
http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2017/11/did-leonardo-da-vinci-really-paint.html
I know some people will score me for linking to a video posted on my own site. Sorry. Our argument is very technical and detailed and cannot be summarized here. Frankly, many points will not be understood without the visual component. So I hope that readers of DU will forgive my offering such a link in this one instance.
We ask only for a calm and objective weighing of the evidence. We invite all to double-check our sources, and we are open to serious counter-argument.
CanSocDem
(3,286 posts)Your evidence is interesting and compelling. Don't give out your home address.
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Soxfan58
(3,479 posts)Cloth shelter, and give healthcare to.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)delisen
(6,044 posts)the authenticating of these supposed paintings by old masters.
some takeaways:
some may have been done not by the old master but by students, apprentices, or others. A painting may be old and of the era , have many of the characteristics of the old master but be painted by someone else.
sellers may be paying art experts a percentage of the selling price to authenticate instead of a customary flat fee. (If an authenticated art work is projected to sell for 100 million and the art expert will be paid 10 million of that instead of a 10 thousand fee how likely is the expert to find that the painting is a fake?
zaj
(3,433 posts)4x the price and suspicion about there are 2 both with questions about their quality?