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True Dough

(17,305 posts)
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 03:02 AM Nov 2017

Man with "F*ck Trump" sign on truck threatened with disorderly conduct




Free speech or obscene gesture?

The Fort Bend County sheriff's Facebook post about a pickup driver with a F__K Trump sign on his window is sparking a heated debate across social media.

Sheriff Troy Nehls posted a photo of the truck and a sign that reads "F__k Trump and F__k you for voting for him."

In his post, Nehls said there could be charges against the driver: "I have received numerous calls regarding the offensive display on this truck as it is often seen along FM 359. If you know who owns this truck or it is yours, I would like to discuss it with you. Our Prosecutor has informed us she would accept Disorderly Conduct charges regarding it, but I feel we could come to an agreement regarding a modification to it."

SNIP

In response to the critics, Nehls posted the disorderly conduct law. It reads, in part, "Uses abusive, indecent, profane or vulgar language in a public place, and the language by its very utterance tends to incite an immediate breach of peace."


http://www.khou.com/news/local/trucks-trump-f-bomb-catches-fort-bend-county-sheriffs-attention/492093623
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Man with "F*ck Trump" sign on truck threatened with disorderly conduct (Original Post) True Dough Nov 2017 OP
Free speech...clearly 1st A protected...end of story...nt GReedDiamond Nov 2017 #1
ACLU has responded. greyl Nov 2017 #2
I'm Torn On This... JimGinPA Nov 2017 #3
That's the strongest argument against it True Dough Nov 2017 #5
There's no 'except for words society currently deems inappropriate'... WePurrsevere Nov 2017 #9
I'm Not Disputing The Legality... JimGinPA Nov 2017 #11
More comments in this thread: TexasTowelie Nov 2017 #4
Aha, you were on top of this one, TexasTowelie True Dough Nov 2017 #6
Yes, I have to thank my Trump supporting brother for pointing out the story to me. TexasTowelie Nov 2017 #7
F__K is no different that saying WTF. icymist Nov 2017 #8
This is a racist action by the police Not Ruth Nov 2017 #10
So, this is "disorderly conduct" in Texas, but Amimnoch Nov 2017 #12
It's only disorderly conduct in the delusional mind of a nazi sheriff NutmegYankee Nov 2017 #13
Should change it to... Orange Free State Nov 2017 #14
I like True Dough Nov 2017 #15
Its printed material? people shouldn't be reading while driving. If he was yelling?throw book at him Sunlei Nov 2017 #16
What's offensive? rock Nov 2017 #17
I'm more amazed it is not illegal treestar Nov 2017 #18

greyl

(22,990 posts)
2. ACLU has responded.
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 03:18 AM
Nov 2017
ACLU?Verified account @ACLU
9h9 hours ago

Memo to @SheriffTNehls:

You can't prosecute speech just because it contains the word "fuck."

The owner of this truck should contact @ACLUTx.






JimGinPA

(14,811 posts)
3. I'm Torn On This...
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 03:19 AM
Nov 2017

I saw a similar sign on a truck in St. Louis. I certainly agree with the sentiment (and I absolutely chuckled when I saw it) but I just don't think profanity should be on display where kids can see it.

True Dough

(17,305 posts)
5. That's the strongest argument against it
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 03:36 AM
Nov 2017

I realize some people would say, "Kids today see much worse than that on the internet every day."

I like that the driver is targeting Dolt 45 but it is profane. Not ideal for kids.

WePurrsevere

(24,259 posts)
9. There's no 'except for words society currently deems inappropriate'...
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 05:48 AM
Nov 2017

in the 1st Amendment of Constitution.

We may personally not like certain vulgar words to be used around children but IMO that should be a teaching moment for the children's parents (or other adult) to have with their children, not used as an excuse to restrict someone's first amendment rights.

There are times I'm a bit more for restrictions, like when words can cause a riot or stampede therefore potentially physically harming someone, but I don't feel it's the 'governments' job to restrict speech over a word simply because there are some in society who currently find it offensive and dislike its use. Personally I find seeing our flag plastered across someone's privates/butt and the Confederate flag pretty much anywhere except a bonfire much more offensive than the word 'fuck' but I wouldn't restrict an individuals right to communicate what an ignorant/racist jerk they are because of my opinion.

I'd rather explain to my grandchildren that using the word 'fuck' isn't acceptable in polite society than having had to explain to them that a man who thinks it's okay to sexually molest women and "grab them by the pussy" was elected president over a woman who was probably the most qualified candidate that our country has probably ever had.

Considering these are probably Trump voters who complained I find it a bit hypocritical for any of them to complain about anyone else's use of profanity when they voted for the Potty-mouth-in-chief, Trump, who has used profanity in public more than a time or two and whose very behavior has been abhorrent and profane most of his narcissistic, sexist, racist life.

JimGinPA

(14,811 posts)
11. I'm Not Disputing The Legality...
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 06:25 AM
Nov 2017

Just the propriety. My granddaughter is in second grade and reads. My niece's son is in first grade and reads. I'd prefer not to have to have those "teaching moments", for a while at least. And I'm not a prude by a long shot.




True Dough

(17,305 posts)
6. Aha, you were on top of this one, TexasTowelie
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 03:38 AM
Nov 2017

I did a couple of keyword searches in GD, but you posted this mid-afternoon and I didn't catch it.

TexasTowelie

(112,217 posts)
7. Yes, I have to thank my Trump supporting brother for pointing out the story to me.
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 03:56 AM
Nov 2017

He was about to cry a river because he was so upset. He called the truck owner a traitor and a commie.
I snickered because I knew it was protected speech without waiting to read an opinion from an attorney. I wonder what he thought he was fighting for because he is a veteran, but he is clueless at times.

I usually don't look at KHOU except to check the radar.

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
10. This is a racist action by the police
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 05:53 AM
Nov 2017

Often people of color (NWA) use the word FUCK as a form of protest and the police try to censor it.

It has nothing to do with why kids might use it or with profanity.





 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
12. So, this is "disorderly conduct" in Texas, but
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 06:38 AM
Nov 2017

hanging plastic testicles from the back of every 3rd or 4th truck on the road isn't?
"hang Hillary" isn't?
Many "fuck Obama" stickers aren't?
How about graphic displays of Calvin (from Calvin and Hobbs) pissing on Obama?

All of these, and more can be found all over Harris and Ft. Bend counties here. Fuck trump is where they draw the line at now?

Fuck Trump.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
13. It's only disorderly conduct in the delusional mind of a nazi sheriff
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 06:47 AM
Nov 2017

Elsewhere, it's legal free speech. Even the DA is saying now that the sheriff didn't contact his Office, stating clearly that this sticker is not disorderly conduct.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
16. Its printed material? people shouldn't be reading while driving. If he was yelling?throw book at him
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 09:49 AM
Nov 2017

treestar

(82,383 posts)
18. I'm more amazed it is not illegal
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 10:53 AM
Nov 2017

to have writing blocking your rear view window.

As for disorderly conduct, bullshit.

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