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CousinIT

(9,245 posts)
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 10:11 AM Nov 2017

The GOP is about to pass its awful tax bill. Where the HELL is the Resistance?

HELLO AMERICA. The GOP is about to f*ck you up the a$$ with a huge billionaire financial CACTUS - backwards. WILL YOU CALL YOUR REPRESENTATIVES -T O D A Y- and DEMAND they OPPOSE this? Or, just TAKE it? Really America? REALLY? 202-224-3121

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/11/democrats_sound_the_alarm_on_the_tax_bill.html

Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer do not often begin their weeks with urgent, joint press conferences. The two congressional minority leaders did this week, though, delivering grave warnings about the Republican tax plan that is currently barreling its way through Congress despite the best efforts of Democrats.

“What did suburbia ever do to the Republicans that they now have to make an assault on them?” Pelosi said Monday, speaking in front of signs that read “No middle class tax hike!” and “Don’t tax the suburbs!” Schumer similarly emphasized that Republican members from the “middle-class swing suburbs” were “slapping around” their voters, “and they think they can get away with it. But they can’t.”

Can they, though?

If Republican members in “swing suburbs” were truly feeling the heat over changes to the state and local tax deduction, say, or the mortgage interest deduction, or other tax breaks the GOP’s plans curtail, the House bill might actually be in peril. Instead, it’s heading toward a vote on Thursday that few seem to think is in doubt. At the same time, the Senate proposal is proceeding through committee markup this week with relatively little attention. Though some senators are working to eliminate the individual mandate as part of the bill, it has yet to amass any hard “no” votes in a conference teeming with contrasting sensitivities.

Democrats and aligned grass-roots groups are trying everything to mobilize the same kind of opposition that repeatedly blocked Obamacare repeal earlier this year. But they’re not having much luck.


AMERICA! WAKE. THE. FUCK. UP. You have FIVE MINUTES to get ON. THE. PHONE. to your reps.

MORE clues: https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029845287
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The GOP is about to pass its awful tax bill. Where the HELL is the Resistance? (Original Post) CousinIT Nov 2017 OP
Part of this BS "reform" is to TAX college scholarships?!?!? WTF?!?! Bengus81 Nov 2017 #1
you dont want smart people .. keep the masses dumb Le Gaucher Nov 2017 #37
Another crazy thing in bill that isn't being talked about-That Alimony no longer will be deductible! Pachamama Nov 2017 #2
Already done JustAnotherGen Nov 2017 #3
How do you know edhopper Nov 2017 #4
I've done my share JustAnotherGen Nov 2017 #5
Okay edhopper Nov 2017 #8
My R member of the House is also a no crazycatlady Nov 2017 #16
We've really put Lance on the spot eh? JustAnotherGen Nov 2017 #19
Kick. dalton99a Nov 2017 #6
Remember Resistbot too, text 'resist' to 50409...or use messenger on facebook CousinIT Nov 2017 #7
Thanks for mentioning FB Messenger justiceischeap Nov 2017 #10
YVW. Keep sending - esp to the Senate since it's in their court now. CousinIT Nov 2017 #24
Fortunately, my Senator is voting NO (Kaine) justiceischeap Nov 2017 #34
Just did it 7wo7rees Nov 2017 #17
Thanks Dem_4_Life Nov 2017 #22
Even if your reps are democrats marylandblue Nov 2017 #9
this boondoggle of a GOP tax plan UCmeNdc Nov 2017 #11
There is little chance the bill passes mythology Nov 2017 #12
Calling your reps is not "running around panicking" - they're supposed to represent US CousinIT Nov 2017 #21
My rep represents the Repubs who put him in office. Kaleva Nov 2017 #25
K&R NCTraveler Nov 2017 #13
It will pass the House, the Senate is more of a question MiniMe Nov 2017 #14
My congresscritter is voting against it (Chris Smith-- R NJ-04) crazycatlady Nov 2017 #15
I actually examined these tax bills and I'd benefit... Joe941 Nov 2017 #18
Most people who are middle class will pay MORE. CousinIT Nov 2017 #20
I make about 15k a year so I'm too poor to pay income taxes Kaleva Nov 2017 #27
Odd because.... CousinIT Nov 2017 #28
Would you fight for those who make much more then you? Kaleva Nov 2017 #30
It's not just a question of people not paying more taxes Kentonio Nov 2017 #45
Fun fact NCDem777 Nov 2017 #46
I'm middle class... Joe941 Nov 2017 #48
and all those who are 25 unmarried with no home and no student debt, and avoid health insurance BoneyardDem Nov 2017 #23
Wait till they go to buy a home, need healthcare, or want to retire CousinIT Nov 2017 #29
Raising a family on 2 incomes, every deduction removed in 2018 will come back to haunt. BoneyardDem Nov 2017 #35
This is the worst Tax bill in many years rockfordfile Nov 2017 #31
I'd also benefit significantly from either bill, I still oppose it due to overdoing corporate cuts Amishman Nov 2017 #33
your bennies are temporary, corporate cuts to be made permanent BoneyardDem Nov 2017 #36
Are you sure you're in the right place? NT raccoon Nov 2017 #47
Just being honest that its hard to be against something that will put money in my pocket. Joe941 Nov 2017 #49
where can I get a copy of the tax bill?? eom Angry Dragon Nov 2017 #26
Few of us live in districts where calls will Hortensis Nov 2017 #32
Bundy??? madinmaryland Nov 2017 #38
Lol. All this one needs is a laptop to join the resistance. Hortensis Nov 2017 #39
I really appreciate your posting to remind us raccoon Nov 2017 #40
K&R Wake up people! This should be the big story today! Greywing Nov 2017 #41
+1 uponit7771 Nov 2017 #42
Put this in the forefront!!!! bdamomma Nov 2017 #43
Sorry, but it is hazardous to my health to speak with my Representative's office Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #44

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
2. Another crazy thing in bill that isn't being talked about-That Alimony no longer will be deductible!
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 10:23 AM
Nov 2017

This will destroy middle class families and especially hit women the hardest since it usually is men paying spousal support to the wife . Men will as a result be paying less alimony since they can't deduct it. And while the GOP will argue that "its tax free income" to the woman, its no conciliation. The impact is still less at the end of the day.

Family lawyers and mediators have a rush right now to get any divorces not entered and filed, in before Dec. 31st, 2017...

Crazy....Wealthy people with lots of assets to divide don't care - but the majority of the population will be crushed by this.

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-gop-tax-plan-divorce-penalty-2017-11

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-08/divorce-and-taxes-how-gop-plan-could-make-splitting-up-costlier

http://money.cnn.com/2017/11/02/pf/taxes/alimony-gop-tax-plan-deduction/index.html

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
5. I've done my share
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 10:48 AM
Nov 2017

It's in the hands of citizens in Red States that voted for their Red Senators and Red 45/140.

My R member of the house is a no - and Booker and Menendez are a no.

I can't do anything more than that.

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
19. We've really put Lance on the spot eh?
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:18 PM
Nov 2017

I though after health care - Freilinghuysen and he would flip on this one - so that each could take a hit on big legislation. Hunterdon County - can't afford this tax bill AND keep a roof over it's head. It's simply not possible. For every family like mine- there are 9 in the 60 to 100 K tax bracket. A family of four can't afford it.

I feel like if it does happen - Murphy will tax me at a rate that our middle class, working class, and poor families get some 'relief' from Trump and the Republicans. Helping my neighbors? No problem with that!

Jersey strong!

CousinIT

(9,245 posts)
7. Remember Resistbot too, text 'resist' to 50409...or use messenger on facebook
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 10:57 AM
Nov 2017
https://resistbot.io/

It's easy peasy to send faxes to your reps!

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
10. Thanks for mentioning FB Messenger
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 11:27 AM
Nov 2017

I didn’t know that was an option.

Just sent off several messages.

CousinIT

(9,245 posts)
24. YVW. Keep sending - esp to the Senate since it's in their court now.
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 05:03 PM
Nov 2017

HOUND THE HELL out of them!

Facebook messenger works really well if messenger on the phone drives you nuts.

Dem_4_Life

(1,765 posts)
22. Thanks
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 03:29 PM
Nov 2017

I had no idea this existed and it is so awesome. I am sharing this with my friends and family.

UCmeNdc

(9,600 posts)
11. this boondoggle of a GOP tax plan
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 11:34 AM
Nov 2017

According to an NPR analysis, those earning less than 50K will see their tax burden INCREASE under the GOP's tax plan

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
12. There is little chance the bill passes
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 11:35 AM
Nov 2017

And running around panicking isn't a good response to anything.

CousinIT

(9,245 posts)
21. Calling your reps is not "running around panicking" - they're supposed to represent US
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 03:02 PM
Nov 2017

Our job is to see that they do.

My God the complacency here is astounding.

mythology is a good moniker ... pfft.

crazycatlady

(4,492 posts)
15. My congresscritter is voting against it (Chris Smith-- R NJ-04)
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:02 PM
Nov 2017

I called his office yesterday.


THere;s a very easy way to send free faxes to your MOC. TExt Resist to 50409

 

Joe941

(2,848 posts)
18. I actually examined these tax bills and I'd benefit...
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:56 PM
Nov 2017

I'd pay less in taxes under either bill. I'm not exactly opposed to some tax relief - we are getting hammered out here by taxes.

CousinIT

(9,245 posts)
20. Most people who are middle class will pay MORE.
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 03:00 PM
Nov 2017

It's not just about YOU.

Most making under $75k/year will pay MORE.

Kaleva

(36,307 posts)
27. I make about 15k a year so I'm too poor to pay income taxes
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 05:13 PM
Nov 2017

This bill has no effect on me and I can't bring myself to feel sorry for those who bring home much more then I do and fight for them to keep more of their 50k to 75k annual income.

CousinIT

(9,245 posts)
28. Odd because....
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 05:17 PM
Nov 2017

..I fight for those who make less than me - so they DO NOT have to pay more taxes. Even when it didn't affect me personally, I did so.

Draw any conclusion you wish.

Kaleva

(36,307 posts)
30. Would you fight for those who make much more then you?
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 05:20 PM
Nov 2017

So they do not have to pay more in taxes?

Edit that's what you are asking me to do.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
45. It's not just a question of people not paying more taxes
Fri Nov 17, 2017, 04:41 AM
Nov 2017

These are bills that hand huge tax breaks to insanely rich people, by taxing working class and middle class people more. It sucks that you're stuck below the income ranges affected, but these are normal families who will be hurt and hurt badly, not rich people who can just not buy another horse or yacht.

So yes, please fight for them.

 

NCDem777

(458 posts)
46. Fun fact
Fri Nov 17, 2017, 05:16 AM
Nov 2017

8.8 million households claimed medical deductions in 2015. Eliminating deduction vital to people w high medical costs is a #TaxOnDisability

Disability can affect you at any time

 

Joe941

(2,848 posts)
48. I'm middle class...
Fri Nov 17, 2017, 11:13 AM
Nov 2017

I make less than 75k and maybe I'm missing something but it seems like I'd pay a couple thousand less in taxes than I do now. Its not easy to run exact numbers because I don't know every detail yet.

 

BoneyardDem

(1,202 posts)
23. and all those who are 25 unmarried with no home and no student debt, and avoid health insurance
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 03:53 PM
Nov 2017

they all think it's great too. Until they are staring at health issues and retirement, right in the butt.

The give away for a majority of the middle class while Corporations gain permanent benefits is disgusting.

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
33. I'd also benefit significantly from either bill, I still oppose it due to overdoing corporate cuts
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 05:36 PM
Nov 2017

It's difficult to oppose something that would benefit my family directly, but sometimes we need to think bigger.

 

Joe941

(2,848 posts)
49. Just being honest that its hard to be against something that will put money in my pocket.
Fri Nov 17, 2017, 11:15 AM
Nov 2017

Maybe some people here have so much money that a couple thou doesn't mean anything, but to me it would be very helpful.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
32. Few of us live in districts where calls will
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 05:26 PM
Nov 2017

change our reps' votes. They already know they're betraying us. Especially ours here in one of the top 5-ish most conservative districts in the nation.

Now, here's a man taking it to fellow voters. Wrong message, but right idea.



raccoon

(31,111 posts)
40. I really appreciate your posting to remind us
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 08:01 PM
Nov 2017

To Call our congress critters and ask them to vote no on this horrible tax bill.

I notice you've posted several of this kind of posts, and I for one am glad you're doing it.

Ms. Toad

(34,074 posts)
44. Sorry, but it is hazardous to my health to speak with my Representative's office
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 11:46 PM
Nov 2017

It literally raises my blood pressure - and it does absolutely no good, either to the way he will vote (or to the overall vote in the house).

I'll put up with the impact on my health to speak with my Senator's office. It still hasn't made a difference, but there is at least a snowball's chance in hell that it will - and becuase the senate's vote is much closer that the house - I'll put my limited energy/willingness to risk my health where it will do the most good.

(Speaking as someone who has been engaging with senators and representative for more than 4 decades)

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