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lordsummerisle

(4,651 posts)
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 11:03 AM Nov 2017

I released 2,000 minks from a fur farm. Now I'm a convicted terrorist

People usually laugh when I tell them I am a convicted terrorist.

I try not to open with that – it seems a little bit forward. First, I explain how my friend Tyler and I entered a fur farm in the dead of night. I describe the unspeakable suffering we found there. I tell people how Tyler and I opened every single cage and released 2,000 mink to save their lives.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/15/i-released-2000-minks-fur-farm-convicted-terrorist

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I released 2,000 minks from a fur farm. Now I'm a convicted terrorist (Original Post) lordsummerisle Nov 2017 OP
Those minks died. MineralMan Nov 2017 #1
This! My opinion as well! Docreed2003 Nov 2017 #5
Yep. The goal might have been good but the results wouldn't be pretty. Shrike47 Nov 2017 #8
Either way they were tortured. Perhaps you should look at what deplorable conditions these Kirk Lover Nov 2017 #13
Starvation is rarely a kindness Not Ruth Nov 2017 #26
If any of them don't die, they become unnatural predators Crunchy Frog Nov 2017 #14
This Comatose Sphagetti Nov 2017 #35
My opinion as well Hekate Nov 2017 #30
Of course they did Drahthaardogs Nov 2017 #32
Excellent point Puzzledtraveller Nov 2017 #37
If not a terrorist then definitely an industrial grade moron. nt hack89 Nov 2017 #2
I put this guy in with the other terrorists... Archae Nov 2017 #3
This, releasing them was a spectacularly stupid action Amishman Nov 2017 #24
MFE. They are domesticated animals and will be slaughtered by predators/starve to death. I wish anneboleyn Nov 2017 #34
The fur business needs to be eliminated permanently. democratisphere Nov 2017 #4
Then. Blue_true Nov 2017 #11
So will legislation. NCTraveler Nov 2017 #17
Attempts to legistlate this type of stuff has failed over and over. Blue_true Nov 2017 #21
There has actually been legislation that has had very positive impacts. NCTraveler Nov 2017 #22
Eliminate demand or pass laws prohibiting MineralMan Nov 2017 #12
If you eat meat or wear leather, I find your argument Drahthaardogs Nov 2017 #33
Prosecuting it as terrorism is just as dumb as releasing clueless animals in the first place. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2017 #6
On a positive note, we have mink that frolic on the rip rap (rocks) of our shoreline. phylny Nov 2017 #7
I want so much to cheer the release but alas, I can't. dembotoz Nov 2017 #9
There are no such shelters for fur bearers. MineralMan Nov 2017 #15
One heck of a wide climate range. Thanks. nt. NCTraveler Nov 2017 #18
You comitted a crime. Blue_true Nov 2017 #10
He made sure 2000 minks would die a slow death Kaleva Nov 2017 #16
I know some polar bears who need saving, Kevin. hunter Nov 2017 #19
And I'm OK with that. 3_Limes Nov 2017 #20
The charge and law are ridiculous Bradical79 Nov 2017 #23
What happened to the bird population in that area over the last four years? jmowreader Nov 2017 #25
Sounds like best of intentions, wrong plan, defacto7 Nov 2017 #27
Obviously, you haven't seen the destruction they do to winter homes: $$$ wasted. lindysalsagal Nov 2017 #28
Nobody is right in this story. Codeine Nov 2017 #29
I hate it that fur has become socially acceptable again. Coventina Nov 2017 #31
Agreed that the AETA is mostly horseshit. However flvegan Nov 2017 #36

MineralMan

(146,311 posts)
1. Those minks died.
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 11:06 AM
Nov 2017

Releasing captive animals in such a wholesale way does not save their lives. Just the opposite. Most of them died of starvation. I have zero respect for such actions, which accomplish nothing and end up dooming the released animals to a tortured death.

And that's my opinion.

 

Kirk Lover

(3,608 posts)
13. Either way they were tortured. Perhaps you should look at what deplorable conditions these
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:44 PM
Nov 2017

minks are kept in of course all for money. Starvation was a kindness. So at least these 'farmers' didn't make their blood money.

Crunchy Frog

(26,587 posts)
14. If any of them don't die, they become unnatural predators
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:44 PM
Nov 2017

and can become a major threat to native species.

It's lose lose all the way.

Archae

(46,328 posts)
3. I put this guy in with the other terrorists...
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 11:26 AM
Nov 2017

He's an asshole.

Those are domesticated minks, they will return to the farm, or get hit on roads, or preyed on by local predators.
Others will starve to death.

Real nature is not Disney's "Bambi" which is where these assholes get their views on nature.

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
24. This, releasing them was a spectacularly stupid action
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 05:42 PM
Nov 2017

I have trouble feeling sympathy for idiots.

anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
34. MFE. They are domesticated animals and will be slaughtered by predators/starve to death. I wish
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 07:03 PM
Nov 2017

they had gone the route of reporting the farm for abuse and/or bringing attention to the abuse via targeted social media and old-style media campaigns. Do whatever possible to bring attention to the abuse. But abusing the animals yourself because you have a hopelessly childlike understanding of how these poor minks will function when suddenly thrust into the wild is really appalling.


The minks get hurt in this situation as well! The general abuse of minks doesn't stop as the farm collects on insurance and simply gets more minks, nobody sees the mink abuse and changes their mind about buying fur, and the perps have a serious criminal record as a "terrorist" (which I also don't find cute or funny as the article writer seems to think)


Putting the animals, the already suffering animals who have learned helplessness because of their caged condition, out into the wild -- setting them " free" is the kind of dumb language that kids use that ignores the realities these animals will face once "free" (the animal world is NOT Disneyland!!!)

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
11. Then.
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:19 PM
Nov 2017

Don't buy furs and convince friends and family not to buy, have those people work on convincing more people. No or low demand will kill the fur trade.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
17. So will legislation.
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:48 PM
Nov 2017

The conservative(personal individual responsibility) approach will always fail when it comes to animals.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
22. There has actually been legislation that has had very positive impacts.
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 05:05 PM
Nov 2017

From everything to farming to wearing fur.

"Removing demand kills it dead."

You method would never remove demand. Mine would at least make it illegal. You can still ask criminals not to buy. I'm not trying to stop you.

MineralMan

(146,311 posts)
12. Eliminate demand or pass laws prohibiting
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:41 PM
Nov 2017

farm-type raising of fur animals. That is the answer to that dilemma.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,347 posts)
6. Prosecuting it as terrorism is just as dumb as releasing clueless animals in the first place.
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 11:29 AM
Nov 2017

Everyone gets a medal in this story!

phylny

(8,380 posts)
7. On a positive note, we have mink that frolic on the rip rap (rocks) of our shoreline.
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 11:32 AM
Nov 2017

The first time we saw them, we had NO idea what they were. They're very entertaining.

dembotoz

(16,805 posts)
9. I want so much to cheer the release but alas, I can't.
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 12:29 PM
Nov 2017

If there was a no kill shelter they were released to.. maybe

MineralMan

(146,311 posts)
15. There are no such shelters for fur bearers.
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:46 PM
Nov 2017

They do not exist. These are not pets. Minks are bad-tempered predators. They are also lone predators, not pack animals. They should not be raised for their fur, nor should they be kept in captivity. In the wild, a single mink has a fairly large territory that provides adequate prey. There are already populations of wild mink that are in tune with the available habitat. That habitat can't really support any more of them.

It's an unnatural sort of process, raising mink for their fur. An ugly process.

Here is the natural range of mink in North America. They exist in many states in the wild:

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
10. You comitted a crime.
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:16 PM
Nov 2017

Why didn't you raise money to buy the minks? The farmer had invested money in them and was looking to make a profit. I don't wear animal skin products, but I accept that there are people that do. There are positive and negative ways to make change, you chose a negative root that likely resulted in a lot of dead minks.

hunter

(38,313 posts)
19. I know some polar bears who need saving, Kevin.
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:09 PM
Nov 2017

Perhaps you'd like to go talk to them about animal rights.

Idiots like Kevin Thompson are in the same class of people who abandon dogs and cats in the countryside to be run over by cars, starved, killed or maimed by coyotes and other native wildlife, shot by ranchers... as if that's somehow better than dropping them off at the animal shelter. (All our dogs are animal shelter mutts, adopted as adults, not as cute puppies.)

My wife's parent's live in a very rural area bordering a national forest and they see too many abandoned pets.

If you want to end the fur business, go after the people who wear fur. Change public opinion, make it unfashionable.

On a larger scale, expose the inhumane practices of factory farms. I've got some respect for people who do that, at some risk to themselves. Some progress has been made in the California chicken egg industry.

One of my own quixotic quests is to make many sorts of commercially caught fish unfashionable. I oppose certain sorts of salmon farming too, but I'd be an environmentally clueless moron like Kevin if I released farm raised salmon into the wild...

http://www.seafoodwatch.org/

3_Limes

(363 posts)
20. And I'm OK with that.
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:44 PM
Nov 2017

No matter what you think about fur farming, crime isn't the answer. Not a single good thing came from this crime, and if that label is the punishment, I guess it was earned.

I really don't want to be callous, but there's not much grey here.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
23. The charge and law are ridiculous
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 05:23 PM
Nov 2017

But what he did was certainly criminal, stupid, still cruel to the minks, and possibly damaging to the ecosystem. These sorts of "activists" are idiots. Some want to act hero, but don't want to think.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
25. What happened to the bird population in that area over the last four years?
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 05:59 PM
Nov 2017

The mink that DIDN'T get killed by cars or bobcats needed to eat, and one of their favorite things to eat is birds' eggs.

lindysalsagal

(20,686 posts)
28. Obviously, you haven't seen the destruction they do to winter homes: $$$ wasted.
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 06:23 PM
Nov 2017

They terrorize whole areas, get into basements atticks floor boards and stuff rotting fish, and whatever. They crap all over everything, carry disease, and aren't the least bit afraid of humans. I've thrown brooms and rakes at them out on our deck and they just look at me. Totally unafraid.

You can't bait and capture them, you can't shoot them.

Horrible little monsters.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
29. Nobody is right in this story.
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 06:26 PM
Nov 2017

The fur ranchers/animal torturer fucks are Grade A assholes who profit on the torment and pain of living creatures, the guy that released the minks is a dumbshit who doesn't understand that he's made himself feel better by trading one shitty, agonizing death for another, and the government are complete moronic shitheads for the unmitigated gall and inconceivable audacity of labeling this as terrorism.

Terrorism? Fuckin' really? GTFO.

I understand where the dude is coming from, really I do. But this sort of "direct action" is rarely the solution.

And seriously, any asshole that wears fur needs a serious fucking ass beating.

Coventina

(27,120 posts)
31. I hate it that fur has become socially acceptable again.
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 06:29 PM
Nov 2017

One moron actually came to a Morrissey concert wearing a fur coat.

We need more public dousing with red paint, like in the good ole days of the 80s.



on edit: typo due to rage.

flvegan

(64,408 posts)
36. Agreed that the AETA is mostly horseshit. However
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 08:27 PM
Nov 2017

not thrilled with Kevin Johnson being the "spokesperson" for that. Not the best track record, if you ask me. Folks here should actually read the article, maybe look into what the AETA is all about. I'm not advocating the release of 2000 mink into the wild (or, more recently, 40,000 into the wild), I just think "terrorism" is the wrong crime or brand.

BTW, I think one person in this thread so far got it right. Roughly 1600 of the freed mink were recaptured. They didn't all die, nor did they destroy the environment and kill all the birds, thankfully.

As I understand it, the East Fork Mink Ranch is no longer in business. So there's that...

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