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[jpak]

1. Spetsnaz incursion into Maine - it's ON

[paleotn]

15. Damn Commies!

[Sneederbunk]

2. Arte Johnson: Very interesting.

[riverwalker]

3. The guy with the Metadata is back

Posting on Twitter. He has a secondary source. Very interesting. She was definitely wrong about the date. It was not Xmas eve, but 12/21. Still looking for photographer.

[Lee-Lee]

5. Metadata is only right if the camera is programmed with the right date

And unless you have a way to be sure that it was, since the vast majority of cameras out there are not, you can’t say anything definite about the dates.

People are going way down the conspiracy rabbit hole here and ignoring basic common sense like the fact that EXIF data is only as good as what was programmed into the cameras internal processor for date and time.

[riverwalker]

6. Hes asking for help to verify

Link to tweet

[Salviati]

8. While that is true, once the camera is unboxed, the date starts advancing.

With the unboxing, or battery replacement date as the default starting point. In my experience the default starting date is almost always substantially in the past, meaning if I don't reset the date, pictures will be time-stamped as being quite a bit in the past. To attribute this mismatch of dates to an unset clock in the camera requires that this camera must have been unboxed exactly 3 days after it's default date, which is probably sometime in 2003 when it was released, and had never had its clock set in the intervening 3.5 years.

My guess is that the default date is Jan 01 2003, the first day of the year it was released. Since the camera was first available in July, that would make this situation impossible. This doesn't discount the fact that the camera could have been set to the WRONG date, but I think that it's pretty unlikely that a camera that was not set up would give this date by coincidence.

[itsrobert]

17. It's important for military photographers to be precise

I have no doubt, it's the correct time.

[Lee-Lee]

37. We dont even know it was a military photographer

[itsrobert]

43. Inside a military cargo plane?

You need to have permission to photograph.

[former9thward]

55. Really?

So the military gave permission for Franken to stage that? Next it will be the military has to give you permission to go to the bathroom. Methinks you have never been in the military.

[itsrobert]

60. 26 years in the Air Force

Pictures on Air Force Flight Line and inside military aircraft have to be authorized by installation and/or Aircraft Commander.

Methinks, you are wrong.

[Gabi Hayes]

80. As always

Thx

Anybody who thinks this wasn’t a setup is we’ll, that’s pretty obvious what they are

[former9thward]

86. Who am I?

Spell it out. Don't be bashful.

[Gabi Hayes]

89. Somebody who reads and remembers your postings

Not bashful

Anybody who reads your posts knows what I mean

So do you

[JI7]

91. yup , very obvious

[former9thward]

87. I was in the AF also.

So you replied to someone who knows better. So you are saying an AF commander approved the staging of the Franken photo. Or are you saying the photo is fake even though Franken has apologized for it?

[itsrobert]

88. Not saying an AF Commander approved of the exact photograph

Permission has to be granted for any photography on a aircraft or Flight line. Just because a commander authorized photography does not mean the commander knew about this particular picture. USO show tours are often documented by professional photographer. I don't understand your question. I neither stated it was fake or staged. It appears to be an immature goof. However, you can't tell me that shows she was groped, because Franken's hands are clearly not on the vest. A professional photographer, would not have the time/date stamp not set correctly.

[womanofthehills]

74. Professional photographers need to have the correct date and time

esp. if they plan to publish anything. The metadata also said "no flash" - so why does Al have all the shadows around him? You are not going to get shadows like that in flat light. As a professional photographer, I enlarged the photo and it definitely looks messed up - why would part of Al's finger be cut off? I think someone probably moved Al's hands closer to her breasts.

[pnwmom]

23. There is still the fact that the metadata shows that something was altered in July 2009.

Even if the date was a few days off, this looks suspicious.

[riverwalker]

28. Someone saved and accessed that photo on the night Coleman conceded

Why? Who? Golly, who is known for republican dirty tricks? Roger Stone.

[SandyZ]

4. That also means not only pushing for resignation, those into shaming the woman set our party up too.

[yardwork]

26. Of course. Roger Stone excels at rat fucking.

This episode will have at least three acts. It's primarily designed to get Democrats at one another's throats.

[rzemanfl]

32. I think it is also designed to get men and women at each other's throats.

I have not had so many male/female battles since the Access Hollywood pussygate thing.

[yardwork]

34. Anything that divides and distracts is a win for the Republicans.

It's ridiculous how we fall for it over and over and over.

[rzemanfl]

63. So let me get this straight. If someone "shames" a woman who is helping the Russians,

that helps the Russians. I don't get this, I will refer it to the Moose and Squirrel.

[SandyZ]

64. Franken was spot on about the mock grab photo, expressed perfectly.

What does the left do? In his defense, throw up naked pictures to try and shame her. It was stupid. No different from, what was she wearing and too many on the left jumped in both feet.

Franken had it handled. That left, did not help him or us.

[rzemanfl]

65. Little problem with the English there kiddo?

[Kirk Lover]

7. While there is grounds for suspicion....we don't know that it was Russian related or

directed. I do believe the bots seize on the news of the day but I'm not so sure about this Russia thing. How can you say that if you really don't know for sure because you are saying it with such authority.

[The_jackalope]

10. At this point, suspicion is plenty.

Your nation is under attack, and people still think the meat of the story is groping by Trump and Al Whatabout.

[demmiblue]

19. This person has outright admitted to being flagged for review...

for his, um, 'theories' and starting a new account. So take it with a grain of salt.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

35. Examine the time stamps on the tweets & see if Russo-tweeters were first with the most

That would indicate coordination and that Roger Stone may have given them notice. Tweeden said her radio station alerted their "news partners" before the actual release.

[rzemanfl]

67. Hey Lawn Giland, look up a few lines. I'm Tom Seleck again.

[Kirk Lover]

68. Looks like the translation software is acting up there. LOL

[rzemanfl]

70. Yep. n/t

[rzemanfl]

71. Bet she doesn't know what a Wayback Machine is either. n/t

[sharedvalues]

9. Collect the evidence in one place

The other photos from the trip (of the accuser grabbing others)
The quotes from Franken's trip escort
The amplification via russian social media
The stories on infowars


Want to collect these, put them on a blog and link here? I'll share that blog post all over.

[The_jackalope]

11. I'll wait for Mueller's evidence.

It will be a lot more devastating than this piece of Russian dogshit.

[sharedvalues]

12. But WE can act NOW. CNN is bashing Franken and Clinton.

The time is now. CNN doesn't have an investigative arm anymore. TPM, Propublica, and Mother Jones can only do so much. If you have facts calling the Franken scandal into question - post them here, and we'll get them out to Tapper and the like.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

36. Yes, that will for one thing resolve the issue of the time stamp on the camera. . . nt

[Denzil_DC]

13. I pine for the days before the Russians arrived on the scene.

There was no ratfucking.

RW trolls with alleged US addresses and GOP agendas didn't invade and set up camp in UK newspaper comments sections and chase most other people away.

Lots of other good times in those halcyon days.

[cwydro]

14. Well, true or not.

Plenty fell for it here.

[rzemanfl]

16. See the post from Sandy above. Hmmmm. n/t

[ProudLib72]

24. Here's something to think about

We saw the picture. It was staged to make it look like Franken was groping, but he was NOT touching her. But that pic was used alongside her story about Franken forcibly kissing her. Franken says he doesn't remember it like that, but he'll give her the benefit of the doubt and apologize. Nothing here adds up. It's obvious they are trying to make a nothingburger into a Royal with cheese.

Tweeden has backed down. I think she may be getting afraid of what will happen to her if she continues to push this. On the other hand, the people who set her up are willing to throw her under the bus if it means making Franken look bad. If they keep pushing, I think Tweeden will have to recant. Already we have the pics of her grabbing the guitarist and humping Robin Williams. She may just have to (I hope she has to) backtrack and out those who set her up. Even if it's just Hannity, at least that asshole will be taken down a notch, and maybe Faux Nooze will lose some credibility with the nut jobs.

Franken knew what would happen and openly called for an investigation into his behavior. Now the ball is in the wingers' court and Tweeden is about to be sacrificed. Wonder what will happen to that book deal when she outs the nasties.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

38. Yes. She and her radio station were not prepared for Franken's calm gentlemanly response.

They expected an unapologetic denial a la Roy Moore.

[njhoneybadger]

78. They created a dilemma for senator Franken

If senator franken calls Tweendon a liar they agree with him and say the women who accused trump and Moore are also liars.

If senator Franken apologizes his own party calls him unfit for office.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

39. 👍🏾. I quit following the story once I saw the pics showing what tweeden really is.

It's enough for me to know she's a blatant, lying, trumpanzee POS, and that there's plenty of evidence backing that up. AND plenty of evidence showing Al is brilliant and has high scores for integrity. Pukes are afraid of him.

[Skittles]

49. idiots

[demmiblue]

18. Oh, good lawd... too much Mensch on the mind.

It was classic GOP all the way.

[Hortensis]

20. Actually mostly agree. I mean, what? We have

over half the planet's wealth concentrated in the hands of a few and they're doing nothing to prevent the Democratic Party from getting enough power to take it away? Obama was able to make a real start, even with a Republican congress, and Hillary had every intention of continuing, as would her successor if Democrat. It's been done before, and they know that too well.

That said, keeping us out of power is an existential need for BOTH our own wannabe kleptocrats and Putin's gang. They're pulling the same direction and of course very much know it.

[paleotn]

21. Funny thing is...

We don't really need the Russikies to teach us anything about digging up political dirt. We've been trashing each other since Jefferson / Adams. Seems the Russians are just better at social media than we. Ironic as well since we invented it.

[Jim Lane]

22. Your hypothesis does not survive Occam's Razor.

Tweeden said what she said for her own reasons (likely related to the Alabama Senate race). Her statements were seized upon and promoted by people who found them politically useful.

That's the simplest explanation. It fits the facts very well without any need to invoke Russian intel as the guiding force.

If all you mean is that some Russian sources helped pus the story, then I can agree. Some Russians, like Fox News, would be in the category of people who found her statements politically useful.

[sharedvalues]

66. No. Russian intel AMPLIFIED the Franken story. Here is proof.

Below is a post amplifying the Franken story, from Nov 16th.

And below that is the output of a machine learning Russian-bot-detector. 10/10. Very likely to be a Russia bot - run by a Russian intel service.

Link to tweet

[img][/img]

https://makeadverbsgreatagain.us/mlp/

[katmondoo]

25. I do and have thought this from the first day

Russian and Republican

[yardwork]

27. They're interchangeable at this point. In my opinion.

[jalan48]

29. Sorry, this reminds me too much of the 50's hysteria over Russia.

I just don't see a Russian behind every bush. If it is a conspiracy I think American right wing oligarchs are just as capable of promoting dissent and trouble as the Russians.

[former9thward]

54. You will be accused of being a fellow traveler...

[jalan48]

57. Yikes! Better Red Than Dead?

[AntiFascist]

84. Back then the Russians in power were Communists...

these days they are more like corrupt, proto-Fascists draining their nation of much needed Capital, and sending it to the U.S. and others in the form of money being laundered.

[riverwalker]

30. I think they knew the photo alone was not enough

So they threw in the whole “kissing” story.

[orangecrush]

45. This!

[womanofthehills]

75. Agreed - here she is 3 yrs later with Al

Link to tweet

[ClarendonDem]

31. And the CIA killed Kennedy

And the moon landing was fake. Personally, I prefer to avoid crazy conspiracy theories.

[trof]

44. You're a Russian bot.

I'm pretty sure.

[FuzzyRabbit]

48. There are others on this thread as well.

I believe they are all over the place on DU. And they have been effective at dividing us.

[Cryptoad]

52. Good call

I seen more new posters lately with a slippery approach,,,,,, they must be gearing up for next year!

Welcome to DU ,,,Comrades!

[ClarendonDem]

56. Im a Russian bot

Because I don’t believe the crazy theory that Roger Stone, FoxNews and Russian intellegence conspired to create a picture that Franken admitted is real? When did DU become a platform for promoting wild conspiracies?

[Leith]

58. Would You Admit to Having Heard of Roger Stone?

He does ratfucking very well without getting ideas from others.

[bluestarone]

59. you ARE

a Russian bot

[ClarendonDem]

61. Man, thanks for lettting me know

Thought I was just a Dem posting on DU. Now I can go back to reading Pravda.

[Oneironaut]

72. I don't think the people here actually know what a bot is,

let alone how advanced a bot would need to be to craft such human responses.

[Initech]

33. With help from Steve Bannon, Roger Stone, and the usual alt right suspects.

[Botany]

40. I don't know about how much of it was a Russian operation* but I have no doubt ....

.... that it was a hit job. Al knows that too and he is playing it perfect.


* the Russian troll bots were very busy here @ DU that day.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029852090

[GoCubsGo]

69. Yep. The righties don't need the Russians' help.

They're already experts at ratfucking without the need for outside help. I'm sure they took advantage of the bots, however.

[KrazyinKS]

41. I always thought it looked like a bad joke-

I like Al Franken, and do not want to go down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole. The photo looks like little more than a bad joke, I mean they guy wasn't chasing underage girls in a mall to the point he was thrown out. This is simply not at the same level. What is even more outrageous is all the evangelicals still backing the guy in Alabama. We shouldn't even be talking about this, we need to go after the complete hypocrisy of these guys. That is the rabbit that needs to be chased down.

[bluestarone]

62. yep

this

[orangecrush]

42. K&R

Turmoil and confusion are their weapons.

[LisaL]

46. Have to buy

more tinfoil.

[orangecrush]

47. What would prove that true imo

Will be if Franken turns out to have very heavy irons in the fire regarding Trump, and we find out about it later.

There is a reason he is being singled out.

[riverwalker]

73. Hes been a bulldog on Sessions n/t

[bucolic_frolic]

50. This whole propaganda war - fake news, russian bots, tweets

is a war over credibility.

If we lose the ability to discern the truth we are truly lost as a nation

Ironically, Ross Perot warned us about this in 1992 ... when he withdrew from the presidential race,
sort of linking it to fake images of his daughter - pho-toes as he called them - generated or threatened
to be generated by the opposition campaign (GHWB). At least that is what I remember.

[Cryptoad]

51. Looks like we have been Sold,,,,,,,,

like common chattel to the Russkies. They always said they would take us over without firing a single shot...... Hope I don't have to learn how to speak Russian!

[Hoyt]

53. I think it's a hit job, but by ignorant white wing Trump supporters. Blaming Russia

is a waste of time and too convenient.

I do believe Franken was just out of bounds, but nothing criminal and/or disgusting like Moore, Trump, etc.

[AncientGeezer]

76. Really....sourcing for that claim? This should be interesting.

You do realize Senator Frankin admits what he did was wrong right?

[bagelsforbreakfast]

77. I don't know what Senator Franklin says, but as for Sen. Al Franken

you do realize there's quite a difference between forcibly kissing an adult woman (at worst) during a comedy skit and being banned from a Mall for chasing underage girls and putting your hands down their pants? At least I hope so.

[rzemanfl]

81. They are out in force tonight. Of course it's the beginning of their work week.

Let me try.

[The_jackalope]

83. "By their false equivalency shall ye know them..." nt

[rzemanfl]

82. Wrong right? That's confusing. I will check with the moose and squirrel. n/t

[bagelsforbreakfast]

85. Thanks...got a much needed chuckle out of that one!

PS - just saw we need a Raise the Russian flag emoji for some of these posts...
(like )

[riverwalker]

79. Her birther talk on Hannity

Interesting in 2011 she’s fawning over Trump and says “he’s brilliant, who knows how far he’ll go”.
Birther segment at about 16:00 they talk about Trump on the View asking for birth certificate.

[Qutzupalotl]

90. Chris?

Link to tweet

[The_jackalope]

92. I displayed poor judgement in posting this OP, so I'm deleting it.

I cribbed it from a tweet by Counterchekist without attribution.
It won't happen again.
I still agree with the message of the post, but that's neither here nor there.
Here's hoping Mueller rolls with some indictments soon, and undercuts all of this.
Sorry.