Pence's Policy of No Women Alone seems like a good strategy.

[LakeArenal]

Maybe that needs to be the policy. I won't say particularly for the GOP even though I think it...

[itsrobert]

1. What?

[Lars39]

2. No

[brush]

34. Exactly. What utter BS. Women get shut out of opportunities to protect men from their "tendencies"?

No way. What's next, African Americans, Latino Americans, and on and on?

[ksoze]

3. That assumes no men would have an issue with him...

[marybourg]

4. So women are to cut out of all jobs

that may require being alone - at a meal, a meeting, a business trip - with a man? Sounds like Saudi Arabia to me.

[Orrex]

16. Exactly

Women are cut out of all jobs because men apparently can't be trusted to behave like professionals.

In other words, women would be punished for men's wrongdoing.

[MissB]

5. A better policy is that folks act like mature adults.

We don’t need some bullshit misogynistic policy separating the sexes.

[Irish_Dem]

10. Exactly. That is why women have been segregated for centuries.

Men can not act appropriately and blame it on women.

Is it that difficult for men to keep their body parts to themselves unless invited to do otherwise?
and to respect women?

[yallerdawg]

43. This would help immensely, too.

[Irish_Dem]

47. Right, we can all just wear green garbage bags. Problem solved. :(

[WillowTree]

39. Right. Because no women ever make unfounded accusations against men that have ruined their careers.

Not to mention their marriages.

[MissB]

67. The issues that youve had should not be the basis for

making some ridiculous regressive public policy.

Bummer that you’ve had those experiences in life. Not all women are like that, just like not all men are like trump or Moore.

[tapermaker]

68. regardless

as a man, every woman is a danger to your life and reputation if you can be used to further their ambition.

[maxsolomon]

71. welcome to DU

you sound like a happy guy!

[tapermaker]

82. been here for yrs.

whats to be happy about . in case you missed it, life is neither fair nor fun. The minute you forget that someone or thing will be there to remind you.

[maxsolomon]

84. Life isn't fair

But it can be fun occasionally. Sorry it's not working out - you're not alone in feeling that way.

[tammywammy]

74. What a disgusting sentiment. n/t

[ProfessorGAC]

81. Got Your Back Tammy!

That poster seems someone who'd be a riot at parties! Or, not

[NCTraveler]

6. If he has a thing for young girls or harassing and abusing women.

I have great respect for his position. As it's currently stated by him, I think it's comical.

He shouldn't be VP with that policy in place. The policy alone is oppressive toward women.

[njhoneybadger]

7. Maybe he doesn't like women

[defacto7]

57. Only mother

[Irish_Dem]

8. He doesn't trust himself to be alone with a female. nt

[LakeArenal]

11. Exactly my point...

I'm not saying women should be cut out of good jobs. I wasn't harassed at my interviews or getting a job. It always came later. If there were a policy of no closed doors, I think that would be fine. I don't think it would be a judgement against women at all.

[Irish_Dem]

17. Women don't want to be excluded or have special policies. We just want men to be appropriate.

But maybe women should start asking for doors to be kept open when meeting with a man.
Sends a message.

[njhoneybadger]

14. That's what he wants people to believe

Maybe "mother" knows

[Irish_Dem]

18. You think it is a ploy to cover up something else?

If you are thinking what I think you are, then I agree, could absolutely be the case.
Makes sense.

[njhoneybadger]

20. Check out his staff

[Irish_Dem]

24. By any chance can you send me a pic, I cannot seem to find anything on the internet.

Or describe. I will know right away what you mean.

[njhoneybadger]

51. I saw the picture on raw story nov 2

Google raw story Mueller's next target is pro-trump group with ties to Mike Pence's chief of staff

[Irish_Dem]

54. Oh my.... kind of explains everything doesn't it?

Making a big deal about being alone with women.
Calling his wife "mother."
All the holier than thou "family values."

[njhoneybadger]

59. They have a twinkle in their eyes, right

We think alike

[Irish_Dem]

64. Was plain as day, yes.

Wonder when people will start coming forward about Pence.

[crazylikafox]

90. Look like twins to me......

[FSogol]

9. Unrec. Fuck that. What an embarassing post?

[mythology]

12. Or we could try keeping our hands and improper thoughts to ourselves

It's really not that hard.

[ProfessorGAC]

26. This

What mythology said! It's not that hard. Just don't like like a neanderthal tool.

[3catwoman3]

75. Thank you, Mythology. If I were a man, I would be highly insulted to have it assumed...

...that my brain could not control my behavior just because I had a penis and testicles.

[gollygee]

83. Exactly

Way too much "so many men are being accused - how dare those filthy lying women" and not enough "so many man have mistreated women - how dare those creepy men" going on around here.

[Nevernose]

13. I just dont masturbate near coworkers

I’ve got some other hints and tricks, but “don’t jerk off” is probably my go-to method of avoiding sexual harassment.

After that, I find “not sexually harassing my coworkers” to be the second easiest method of not sexually harassing people.

I suppose some sort of cloistered monastic workspace is an option, but it seems very low on the list.

[LakeArenal]

22. The policy of expecting some men to police themselves is not working.

Hints or no hints.

[Hekate]

91. So all women need to be policed by men in order to -- wait, what?

[klook]

36. No potted plants in the office! (nt)

[LakeArenal]

15. Your arguement is unclear...

Speak more clearly..F Sogul

I repeat, a no closed door policy would be fine with me.

Anyone finding that a problem is suspect to me. That's my opinion. I get to have it.

[MLAA]

21. Some business discussions require closed doors

Was an executive business woman for many years at fortune 100 company. Some business conversations require closed door privacy. Examples are personnel issues, confidential product development and planning discussions. The only fix is men and women behaving appropriately...and if they can't they get promptly fired. Zero tolerance.

[ProfessorGAC]

30. I've Had Female Subordinates

At review time, even though the reviews have always been pretty positive, was i supposed to do that review with the door open for everyone who walked by the office to hear.

That's the employees private business. It's not intended, good or bad, for general public knowledge.

If you don't see the logic in that, you become suspect to me.

[LakeArenal]

38. Policies could be in place for this type of thing..

My boss always took us to lunch in a public place for my reviews. He spoke in a modulated voice and no one around heard anything about my review.

You can be in a closed door with plenty of windows.. There ways for confidential business to be done without putting women in jeopardy.

[ProfessorGAC]

46. I've Never Had An Office With A Windowless Door

But just so you know, you're backpedaling now.

And, as a long time professional (and one of my advanced degrees is an MBA) i will say that i question the judgment, and believe most HR people would as well, of a manager who did a review in a public venue.

That's seems quite unprofessional to me, and you would NEVER get me to do that. Talk about failure to protect the privacy of the employee! In a public venue? Oh, but the modulated voice makes all the difference. Right!

[SandyZ]

19. No expectation of men behaving, simply kick women out of opportunities for male comfort?

[LakeArenal]

25. Hey on the surface these men appear to adhere to good behavior.

Women don't take jobs that harass them at an interview. It always comes later. Women get good jobs. It's keeping them and your safety that isn't working. If there was an open door policy and it makes an employer or harassing coworker uncomfortable, too bad.

[SandyZ]

27. You suggested Pence policy. I addressed that.

[AJT]

23. Yes, women let's set you aside so us men can rebuild our

"Men Only" society.

[LakeArenal]

29. Who the heck is saying set women aside...

Geez... Who thought making a policy in the work place that the door be left open when meeting with individuals could be such a extreme idea. If men can't be trusted and you have to work with them, then why not be able to demand doors be left open as per the employee manual...

[Lars39]

63. You dont understand the Pence policy, or the ramifications.

This extends to business lunch meetings.

[GoCubsGo]

28. Or, maybe people like Pence should just grow the fuck up.

If they have that much trouble controlling their urges, perhaps they require different remedies. Mr. Pence, with your deep pockets and gold-plated government-provided health insurance, surely you can afford the best psychiatrist out there.

[ProfessorGAC]

31. I Hear Saltpeter Does Wonders Too

He could take a couple capsules a day.

[Hekate]

93. Professor, we have a winner for the sinners! Line those boys up at the start of work...

...and watch them swallow their pills. I'm sure their health care plan will pay for that same as it pays for the antidote, Viagra.

Of course, that won't solve their underlying neuroses and fear of women, not to mention the ones who just hate us, but you can't have everything.

[LakeArenal]

32. Yea, and in the meantime....?

We've been expecting bullies and predators to grow up. Also, although not as common, there are female predators as well.

[GoCubsGo]

37. Most adults do not behave that way.

Why treat them like children because of a minority?

[LakeArenal]

40. Don't see how an open door is treating anyone like a child.

You do. That's okay. We're here to express our opinion.

[GoCubsGo]

55. If one feels the need to leave the door open, that should be up to them.

Making it policy just pushes the idea that nobody is to be trusted. That kind of thing is fine for hormone-riddled adolescents in middle school. We're talking adults here.

[awesomerwb1]

33. Sex segregation!

And no more short skirts, tight blouses, high heels or cleavage.

Signed,

Mother

[GoCubsGo]

41. Yep.

It reminds me of the one year I went to an all-girls Catholic high school. It was the only year I ever hated going to school. Nothing worse than being treated like you can't be trusted, even when you have never given them any reason to treat you that way.

[LakeArenal]

44. Don't put suggestions into my mouth..

No one said anything like that.

[Raster]

35. That's kind of contingent on any woman --other than"mother"-- wanting to....

...be alone with holier-than-thou Pence*.

[LakeArenal]

42. or any of them....

[brooklynite]

45. Better still, make all the women wear burkas...

Men won’t be distracted and it’ll be harder to grope...

[LakeArenal]

49. Yes, that's what I suggested...

[LuckyCharms]

48. Nah. For some reason, I can be near a woman without masturbating...

and I can keep from grabbing them too. Imagine that.

[LakeArenal]

50. Then you should have no problem keeping you office door open when you for Ms. Stevens' report.

Think how Ms. Stevens might appreciate you more.

[LuckyCharms]

52. What? n/t

[LanternWaste]

58. Then simply institute a policy of no doors existing in any workplace...

Then simply institute a policy of no doors existing in any workplace... it would be much more practical than your suggestion.

Think of how Ms. Stevens might appreciate that more...

[MoonRiver]

80. Really??

[Thor_MN]

53. Question is, when did he start this policy?

Was it before or after learning what sort of assholes he was associating with?

[Shrike47]

56. Not being alone with the women is not helping Al Franken much.

They say there were all kinds of folks there (except for the kiss; she claims they were alone, guard says Franken was never alone).

[ecstatic]

60. 'This Is Your Solution?' Trump Booster Gets PUMMELED By Powers For Whining about Sexual Harassment

In an astounding CNN panel, even host Anderson Cooper was floored by President Donald Trump’s-economic-advisor-turned-pundit, Stephen Moore.

The shocking exchange came during a discussion about the culture of sexual harassment at Fox News, and Bill O’Reilly’s $32 million settlement that prompted him to be “mad at God.” Moore explained that a top 20 CEO of a Fortune 100 company put the onus on women to simply stay away from being alone with men as a means of preventing rape and sexual harassment. The argument is a frequent one used to excuse “boys will be boys” behavior and claim that men are too savage to control themselves in a room with a woman.

“This is very good advice,” Moore said. “He said, ‘I would never have a meeting with a woman without someone else in the room.’ And this is, unfortunately, this is where we’re at today. If you are in a position of power, a Bill O’Reilly, a Donald Trump, anyone who is running a company, you cannot be in a room, you just can’t.”

Commentator Kirsten Powers seemed floored.

[MineralMan]

61. It seems like a thoroughly sexist strategy to me.

Is Pence afraid that he might suddenly pounce on a woman if she is alone with him?

In truth, what such a policy does is shut women out of important positions. It's a de facto banning of women from taking part in business, politics and other situations.

[Heartstrings]

76. I think that's what this op

intended to imply, and some went totally off track.....

Could be wrong tho...

[jalan48]

65. No more hugs either, just handshakes.

[Caliman73]

69. I have to disagree.

If that is what Pence needs to do to keep himself in check then it has to work for him. However, the consequence is that he shuts himself off from having the kind of workplace, or even social relationships that are necessary for men and women to see each other as complete human beings.

The possibly more difficult, but by far better strategy should be for men to try to understand how women see the world and to treat women with respect, as complete human beings, and not as sexual objects.

[Polly Hennessey]

70. Indeed.

What man in his right mind would take the chance that any of his words or actions could and would be used against him. The assumption on the part of many is that all women tell the truth. Well, guess what, maybe not. Be careful what you wish for. Have a feeling this is going to set women back in their quest for equal treatment. You cannot hinge change on the assumption that because ”she” said it “he” is guilty. Looks like we are going to become a “Pencified” society.

[mcar]

72. Maybe us gals should don burkas so men's passions don't get inflamed

[skip fox]

73. I work with women alone constantly.

I have chaired probably a dozen Ph.D. dissertations by women. Commonly we meet in my office with the door open (but often there's no one in any other office in my hall) or we meet at a coffee house.

I have NEVER made a woman even feel uncomfortable to be in my presence.

[BoneyardDem]

77. nope..that policy exludes women and their exposure to advancement opportunities

I completely disagree that the way to promote women's issues is to keep them penned up in groups for their own safety.

How about men just learning some respect and self control?

[elehhhhna]

78. If that's what you want move to fucking Saudi Arabia

Or meant to learn how to control themselves and women can learn how to yell get your fucking hands off me

[MoonRiver]

79. What's next - burkas?

[demmiblue]

85. Go away. n/t

[Hekate]

88. +1

[gollygee]

86. Maybe we should have women in charge and say that it isn't safe to have men in positions of power

and therefore keep all sorts of job opportunities out of their reach.

You probably don't like the sound of that any more than women like the sound of Pence's policy.

Therefore, I have another idea. How about if people behave respectfully to each other?

[KitSileya]

94. Yeah, it is time to turn it around, I think.

Since some men cannot seem to control themselves, let's put a curfew on all men. Let's force men to curtail their lives to protect women. Isn't that fairer? After all, women and children (and other men!) are overwhelmingly the victims of male offenders, so why not force men to give up leadership positions, any positions with authority, or even walking out alone after dark.


(I am not going to add the sarcasm smiley. The OP didn't on their post, so why should I on mine?)

[Hekate]

87. Christ on a Trailer Hitch. Let's all have the vapors and require chaperones, duennas, and veils...

Us wimminz is SO dangerous to the menfolk! We just don't know our own powers! Men just cannot control themselves in our presence!

The only way to make the world safe for MEN is for women to retreat to the Gynaceum!

[gollygee]

89. I don't think this is a "we can't control ourselves around women" rant

I think it's a "women lie about this kind of thing all the time and can't be trusted to not be out to get us" rant.

[Hekate]

92. Either way it is as sick as hell

[LisaL]

95. And while we are at it, lets go to good old days when women weren't supposed

to have a career.