HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Main » General Discussion (Forum) » Pence's Policy of No Wome...

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:14 AM

Pence's Policy of No Women Alone seems like a good strategy.

Maybe that needs to be the policy. I won't say particularly for the GOP even though I think it...

95 replies, 6057 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 95 replies Author Time Post
Reply Pence's Policy of No Women Alone seems like a good strategy. (Original post)
LakeArenal Nov 2017 OP
itsrobert Nov 2017 #1
Lars39 Nov 2017 #2
brush Nov 2017 #34
ksoze Nov 2017 #3
marybourg Nov 2017 #4
Orrex Nov 2017 #16
MissB Nov 2017 #5
Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #10
yallerdawg Nov 2017 #43
Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #47
WillowTree Nov 2017 #39
Post removed Nov 2017 #62
MissB Nov 2017 #67
tapermaker Nov 2017 #68
maxsolomon Nov 2017 #71
tapermaker Nov 2017 #82
maxsolomon Nov 2017 #84
tammywammy Nov 2017 #74
ProfessorGAC Nov 2017 #81
NCTraveler Nov 2017 #6
njhoneybadger Nov 2017 #7
defacto7 Nov 2017 #57
Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #8
LakeArenal Nov 2017 #11
Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #17
njhoneybadger Nov 2017 #14
Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #18
njhoneybadger Nov 2017 #20
Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #24
njhoneybadger Nov 2017 #51
Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #54
njhoneybadger Nov 2017 #59
Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #64
crazylikafox Nov 2017 #90
FSogol Nov 2017 #9
mythology Nov 2017 #12
ProfessorGAC Nov 2017 #26
Post removed Nov 2017 #66
3catwoman3 Nov 2017 #75
gollygee Nov 2017 #83
Nevernose Nov 2017 #13
LakeArenal Nov 2017 #22
Hekate Nov 2017 #91
klook Nov 2017 #36
LakeArenal Nov 2017 #15
MLAA Nov 2017 #21
ProfessorGAC Nov 2017 #30
LakeArenal Nov 2017 #38
ProfessorGAC Nov 2017 #46
SandyZ Nov 2017 #19
LakeArenal Nov 2017 #25
SandyZ Nov 2017 #27
AJT Nov 2017 #23
LakeArenal Nov 2017 #29
Lars39 Nov 2017 #63
GoCubsGo Nov 2017 #28
ProfessorGAC Nov 2017 #31
Hekate Nov 2017 #93
LakeArenal Nov 2017 #32
GoCubsGo Nov 2017 #37
LakeArenal Nov 2017 #40
GoCubsGo Nov 2017 #55
awesomerwb1 Nov 2017 #33
GoCubsGo Nov 2017 #41
LakeArenal Nov 2017 #44
Raster Nov 2017 #35
LakeArenal Nov 2017 #42
brooklynite Nov 2017 #45
LakeArenal Nov 2017 #49
LuckyCharms Nov 2017 #48
LakeArenal Nov 2017 #50
LuckyCharms Nov 2017 #52
LanternWaste Nov 2017 #58
MoonRiver Nov 2017 #80
Thor_MN Nov 2017 #53
Shrike47 Nov 2017 #56
ecstatic Nov 2017 #60
MineralMan Nov 2017 #61
Heartstrings Nov 2017 #76
jalan48 Nov 2017 #65
Caliman73 Nov 2017 #69
Polly Hennessey Nov 2017 #70
mcar Nov 2017 #72
skip fox Nov 2017 #73
BoneyardDem Nov 2017 #77
elehhhhna Nov 2017 #78
MoonRiver Nov 2017 #79
demmiblue Nov 2017 #85
Hekate Nov 2017 #88
gollygee Nov 2017 #86
KitSileya Nov 2017 #94
Hekate Nov 2017 #87
gollygee Nov 2017 #89
Hekate Nov 2017 #92
LisaL Nov 2017 #95

Response to LakeArenal (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:17 AM

1. What?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LakeArenal (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:17 AM

2. No

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Lars39 (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:48 AM

34. Exactly. What utter BS. Women get shut out of opportunities to protect men from their "tendencies"?

No way. What's next, African Americans, Latino Americans, and on and on?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LakeArenal (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:21 AM

3. That assumes no men would have an issue with him...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LakeArenal (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:22 AM

4. So women are to cut out of all jobs

that may require being alone - at a meal, a meeting, a business trip - with a man? Sounds like Saudi Arabia to me.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to marybourg (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:30 AM

16. Exactly

Women are cut out of all jobs because men apparently can't be trusted to behave like professionals.

In other words, women would be punished for men's wrongdoing.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LakeArenal (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:22 AM

5. A better policy is that folks act like mature adults.

We don’t need some bullshit misogynistic policy separating the sexes.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MissB (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:26 AM

10. Exactly. That is why women have been segregated for centuries.

Men can not act appropriately and blame it on women.

Is it that difficult for men to keep their body parts to themselves unless invited to do otherwise?
and to respect women?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #10)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:53 AM

43. This would help immensely, too.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to yallerdawg (Reply #43)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:55 AM

47. Right, we can all just wear green garbage bags. Problem solved. :(

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MissB (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:51 AM

39. Right. Because no women ever make unfounded accusations against men that have ruined their careers.

Not to mention their marriages.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MissB (Reply #5)


Response to Post removed (Reply #62)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 12:19 PM

67. The issues that youve had should not be the basis for

making some ridiculous regressive public policy.

Bummer that you’ve had those experiences in life. Not all women are like that, just like not all men are like trump or Moore.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MissB (Reply #67)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 12:26 PM

68. regardless

 

as a man, every woman is a danger to your life and reputation if you can be used to further their ambition.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to tapermaker (Reply #68)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 12:58 PM

71. welcome to DU

you sound like a happy guy!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to maxsolomon (Reply #71)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 01:49 PM

82. been here for yrs.

 

whats to be happy about . in case you missed it, life is neither fair nor fun. The minute you forget that someone or thing will be there to remind you.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to tapermaker (Reply #82)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 02:01 PM

84. Life isn't fair

But it can be fun occasionally. Sorry it's not working out - you're not alone in feeling that way.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Post removed (Reply #62)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 01:06 PM

74. What a disgusting sentiment. n/t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to tammywammy (Reply #74)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 01:44 PM

81. Got Your Back Tammy!

That poster seems someone who'd be a riot at parties! Or, not

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LakeArenal (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:22 AM

6. If he has a thing for young girls or harassing and abusing women.

 

I have great respect for his position. As it's currently stated by him, I think it's comical.

He shouldn't be VP with that policy in place. The policy alone is oppressive toward women.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LakeArenal (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:23 AM

7. Maybe he doesn't like women

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to njhoneybadger (Reply #7)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 12:07 PM

57. Only mother

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LakeArenal (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:24 AM

8. He doesn't trust himself to be alone with a female. nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:27 AM

11. Exactly my point...

I'm not saying women should be cut out of good jobs. I wasn't harassed at my interviews or getting a job. It always came later. If there were a policy of no closed doors, I think that would be fine. I don't think it would be a judgement against women at all.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LakeArenal (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:30 AM

17. Women don't want to be excluded or have special policies. We just want men to be appropriate.

But maybe women should start asking for doors to be kept open when meeting with a man.
Sends a message.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:29 AM

14. That's what he wants people to believe

Maybe "mother" knows

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to njhoneybadger (Reply #14)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:32 AM

18. You think it is a ploy to cover up something else?

If you are thinking what I think you are, then I agree, could absolutely be the case.
Makes sense.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #18)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:34 AM

20. Check out his staff

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to njhoneybadger (Reply #20)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:38 AM

24. By any chance can you send me a pic, I cannot seem to find anything on the internet.

Or describe. I will know right away what you mean.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #24)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 12:00 PM

51. I saw the picture on raw story nov 2

Google raw story Mueller's next target is pro-trump group with ties to Mike Pence's chief of staff

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to njhoneybadger (Reply #51)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 12:03 PM

54. Oh my.... kind of explains everything doesn't it?

Making a big deal about being alone with women.
Calling his wife "mother."
All the holier than thou "family values."

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #54)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 12:10 PM

59. They have a twinkle in their eyes, right


We think alike

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to njhoneybadger (Reply #59)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 12:14 PM

64. Was plain as day, yes.

Wonder when people will start coming forward about Pence.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to njhoneybadger (Reply #51)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 02:32 PM

90. Look like twins to me......

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LakeArenal (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:25 AM

9. Unrec. Fuck that. What an embarassing post?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LakeArenal (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:27 AM

12. Or we could try keeping our hands and improper thoughts to ourselves

 

It's really not that hard.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to mythology (Reply #12)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:41 AM

26. This

What mythology said! It's not that hard. Just don't like like a neanderthal tool.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to mythology (Reply #12)


Response to mythology (Reply #12)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 01:12 PM

75. Thank you, Mythology. If I were a man, I would be highly insulted to have it assumed...

...that my brain could not control my behavior just because I had a penis and testicles.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to mythology (Reply #12)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 01:51 PM

83. Exactly

Way too much "so many men are being accused - how dare those filthy lying women" and not enough "so many man have mistreated women - how dare those creepy men" going on around here.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LakeArenal (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:28 AM

13. I just dont masturbate near coworkers

I’ve got some other hints and tricks, but “don’t jerk off” is probably my go-to method of avoiding sexual harassment.

After that, I find “not sexually harassing my coworkers” to be the second easiest method of not sexually harassing people.

I suppose some sort of cloistered monastic workspace is an option, but it seems very low on the list.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Nevernose (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:36 AM

22. The policy of expecting some men to police themselves is not working.

Hints or no hints.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LakeArenal (Reply #22)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 02:43 PM

91. So all women need to be policed by men in order to -- wait, what?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Nevernose (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:49 AM

36. No potted plants in the office! (nt)

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LakeArenal (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:29 AM

15. Your arguement is unclear...

Speak more clearly..F Sogul

I repeat, a no closed door policy would be fine with me.

Anyone finding that a problem is suspect to me. That's my opinion. I get to have it.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LakeArenal (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:35 AM

21. Some business discussions require closed doors

Was an executive business woman for many years at fortune 100 company. Some business conversations require closed door privacy. Examples are personnel issues, confidential product development and planning discussions. The only fix is men and women behaving appropriately...and if they can't they get promptly fired. Zero tolerance.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LakeArenal (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:43 AM

30. I've Had Female Subordinates

At review time, even though the reviews have always been pretty positive, was i supposed to do that review with the door open for everyone who walked by the office to hear.

That's the employees private business. It's not intended, good or bad, for general public knowledge.

If you don't see the logic in that, you become suspect to me.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #30)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:50 AM

38. Policies could be in place for this type of thing..

My boss always took us to lunch in a public place for my reviews. He spoke in a modulated voice and no one around heard anything about my review.

You can be in a closed door with plenty of windows.. There ways for confidential business to be done without putting women in jeopardy.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LakeArenal (Reply #38)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:54 AM

46. I've Never Had An Office With A Windowless Door

But just so you know, you're backpedaling now.

And, as a long time professional (and one of my advanced degrees is an MBA) i will say that i question the judgment, and believe most HR people would as well, of a manager who did a review in a public venue.

That's seems quite unprofessional to me, and you would NEVER get me to do that. Talk about failure to protect the privacy of the employee! In a public venue? Oh, but the modulated voice makes all the difference. Right!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LakeArenal (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:34 AM

19. No expectation of men behaving, simply kick women out of opportunities for male comfort?

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to SandyZ (Reply #19)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:40 AM

25. Hey on the surface these men appear to adhere to good behavior.

Women don't take jobs that harass them at an interview. It always comes later. Women get good jobs. It's keeping them and your safety that isn't working. If there was an open door policy and it makes an employer or harassing coworker uncomfortable, too bad.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LakeArenal (Reply #25)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:41 AM

27. You suggested Pence policy. I addressed that.

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LakeArenal (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:36 AM

23. Yes, women let's set you aside so us men can rebuild our

"Men Only" society.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to AJT (Reply #23)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:42 AM

29. Who the heck is saying set women aside...

Geez... Who thought making a policy in the work place that the door be left open when meeting with individuals could be such a extreme idea. If men can't be trusted and you have to work with them, then why not be able to demand doors be left open as per the employee manual...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LakeArenal (Reply #29)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 12:14 PM

63. You dont understand the Pence policy, or the ramifications.

This extends to business lunch meetings.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LakeArenal (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:42 AM

28. Or, maybe people like Pence should just grow the fuck up.

If they have that much trouble controlling their urges, perhaps they require different remedies. Mr. Pence, with your deep pockets and gold-plated government-provided health insurance, surely you can afford the best psychiatrist out there.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #28)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:44 AM

31. I Hear Saltpeter Does Wonders Too

He could take a couple capsules a day.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #31)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 02:51 PM

93. Professor, we have a winner for the sinners! Line those boys up at the start of work...

...and watch them swallow their pills. I'm sure their health care plan will pay for that same as it pays for the antidote, Viagra.

Of course, that won't solve their underlying neuroses and fear of women, not to mention the ones who just hate us, but you can't have everything.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #28)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:44 AM

32. Yea, and in the meantime....?

We've been expecting bullies and predators to grow up. Also, although not as common, there are female predators as well.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LakeArenal (Reply #32)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:50 AM

37. Most adults do not behave that way.

Why treat them like children because of a minority?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #37)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:52 AM

40. Don't see how an open door is treating anyone like a child.

You do. That's okay. We're here to express our opinion.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LakeArenal (Reply #40)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 12:05 PM

55. If one feels the need to leave the door open, that should be up to them.

Making it policy just pushes the idea that nobody is to be trusted. That kind of thing is fine for hormone-riddled adolescents in middle school. We're talking adults here.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LakeArenal (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:47 AM

33. Sex segregation!

And no more short skirts, tight blouses, high heels or cleavage.

Signed,

Mother

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to awesomerwb1 (Reply #33)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:52 AM

41. Yep.

It reminds me of the one year I went to an all-girls Catholic high school. It was the only year I ever hated going to school. Nothing worse than being treated like you can't be trusted, even when you have never given them any reason to treat you that way.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to awesomerwb1 (Reply #33)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:54 AM

44. Don't put suggestions into my mouth..

No one said anything like that.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LakeArenal (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:49 AM

35. That's kind of contingent on any woman --other than"mother"-- wanting to....

...be alone with holier-than-thou Pence*.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Raster (Reply #35)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:53 AM

42. or any of them....

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LakeArenal (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:54 AM

45. Better still, make all the women wear burkas...

Men won’t be distracted and it’ll be harder to grope...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to brooklynite (Reply #45)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:56 AM

49. Yes, that's what I suggested...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LakeArenal (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:55 AM

48. Nah. For some reason, I can be near a woman without masturbating...

and I can keep from grabbing them too. Imagine that.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LuckyCharms (Reply #48)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:59 AM

50. Then you should have no problem keeping you office door open when you for Ms. Stevens' report.

Think how Ms. Stevens might appreciate you more.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LakeArenal (Reply #50)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 12:00 PM

52. What? n/t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LakeArenal (Reply #50)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 12:10 PM

58. Then simply institute a policy of no doors existing in any workplace...

Then simply institute a policy of no doors existing in any workplace... it would be much more practical than your suggestion.

Think of how Ms. Stevens might appreciate that more...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LuckyCharms (Reply #48)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 01:44 PM

80. Really??



Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LakeArenal (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 12:02 PM

53. Question is, when did he start this policy?

 

Was it before or after learning what sort of assholes he was associating with?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LakeArenal (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 12:06 PM

56. Not being alone with the women is not helping Al Franken much.

They say there were all kinds of folks there (except for the kiss; she claims they were alone, guard says Franken was never alone).

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LakeArenal (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 12:11 PM

60. 'This Is Your Solution?' Trump Booster Gets PUMMELED By Powers For Whining about Sexual Harassment

In an astounding CNN panel, even host Anderson Cooper was floored by President Donald Trump’s-economic-advisor-turned-pundit, Stephen Moore.

The shocking exchange came during a discussion about the culture of sexual harassment at Fox News, and Bill O’Reilly’s $32 million settlement that prompted him to be “mad at God.” Moore explained that a top 20 CEO of a Fortune 100 company put the onus on women to simply stay away from being alone with men as a means of preventing rape and sexual harassment. The argument is a frequent one used to excuse “boys will be boys” behavior and claim that men are too savage to control themselves in a room with a woman.

“This is very good advice,” Moore said. “He said, ‘I would never have a meeting with a woman without someone else in the room.’ And this is, unfortunately, this is where we’re at today. If you are in a position of power, a Bill O’Reilly, a Donald Trump, anyone who is running a company, you cannot be in a room, you just can’t.”

Commentator Kirsten Powers seemed floored.


Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LakeArenal (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 12:13 PM

61. It seems like a thoroughly sexist strategy to me.

Is Pence afraid that he might suddenly pounce on a woman if she is alone with him?

In truth, what such a policy does is shut women out of important positions. It's a de facto banning of women from taking part in business, politics and other situations.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MineralMan (Reply #61)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 01:21 PM

76. I think that's what this op

intended to imply, and some went totally off track.....

Could be wrong tho...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LakeArenal (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 12:15 PM

65. No more hugs either, just handshakes.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LakeArenal (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 12:31 PM

69. I have to disagree.

If that is what Pence needs to do to keep himself in check then it has to work for him. However, the consequence is that he shuts himself off from having the kind of workplace, or even social relationships that are necessary for men and women to see each other as complete human beings.

The possibly more difficult, but by far better strategy should be for men to try to understand how women see the world and to treat women with respect, as complete human beings, and not as sexual objects.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LakeArenal (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 12:54 PM

70. Indeed.

What man in his right mind would take the chance that any of his words or actions could and would be used against him. The assumption on the part of many is that all women tell the truth. Well, guess what, maybe not. Be careful what you wish for. Have a feeling this is going to set women back in their quest for equal treatment. You cannot hinge change on the assumption that because ”she” said it “he” is guilty. Looks like we are going to become a “Pencified” society.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LakeArenal (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 01:00 PM

72. Maybe us gals should don burkas so men's passions don't get inflamed

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LakeArenal (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 01:02 PM

73. I work with women alone constantly.

I have chaired probably a dozen Ph.D. dissertations by women. Commonly we meet in my office with the door open (but often there's no one in any other office in my hall) or we meet at a coffee house.

I have NEVER made a woman even feel uncomfortable to be in my presence.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LakeArenal (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 01:22 PM

77. nope..that policy exludes women and their exposure to advancement opportunities

 

I completely disagree that the way to promote women's issues is to keep them penned up in groups for their own safety.

How about men just learning some respect and self control?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LakeArenal (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 01:38 PM

78. If that's what you want move to fucking Saudi Arabia

 

Or meant to learn how to control themselves and women can learn how to yell get your fucking hands off me

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LakeArenal (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 01:42 PM

79. What's next - burkas?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LakeArenal (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 02:05 PM

85. Go away. n/t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to demmiblue (Reply #85)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 02:25 PM

88. +1

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LakeArenal (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 02:07 PM

86. Maybe we should have women in charge and say that it isn't safe to have men in positions of power

and therefore keep all sorts of job opportunities out of their reach.

You probably don't like the sound of that any more than women like the sound of Pence's policy.

Therefore, I have another idea. How about if people behave respectfully to each other?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to gollygee (Reply #86)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 12:33 AM

94. Yeah, it is time to turn it around, I think.

Since some men cannot seem to control themselves, let's put a curfew on all men. Let's force men to curtail their lives to protect women. Isn't that fairer? After all, women and children (and other men!) are overwhelmingly the victims of male offenders, so why not force men to give up leadership positions, any positions with authority, or even walking out alone after dark.


(I am not going to add the sarcasm smiley. The OP didn't on their post, so why should I on mine?)

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LakeArenal (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 02:24 PM

87. Christ on a Trailer Hitch. Let's all have the vapors and require chaperones, duennas, and veils...

Us wimminz is SO dangerous to the menfolk! We just don't know our own powers! Men just cannot control themselves in our presence!

The only way to make the world safe for MEN is for women to retreat to the Gynaceum!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Hekate (Reply #87)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 02:27 PM

89. I don't think this is a "we can't control ourselves around women" rant

I think it's a "women lie about this kind of thing all the time and can't be trusted to not be out to get us" rant.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to gollygee (Reply #89)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 02:43 PM

92. Either way it is as sick as hell

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LakeArenal (Original post)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 01:04 AM

95. And while we are at it, lets go to good old days when women weren't supposed

to have a career.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink

Reply to this thread