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Tue Nov 21, 2017, 07:20 PM

Kushner's worried Mueller's going to "get the President"

As Kushner’s Russia troubles mount—last Friday the Senate disclosed that he had not turned over e-mails about WikiLeaks, a claim his attorney, Abbe Lowell, denied—insiders are again speculating, as my colleague Emily Jane Fox reported last month, about how long Kushner and Ivanka Trump will remain in Washington. Despite Kushner’s efforts to project confidence about Robert Mueller’s probe, he expressed worry after the indictments of Paul Manafort and Rick Gates about how far the investigation could go. “Do you think they’ll get the president?” Kushner asked a friend, according to a person briefed on the conversation.

According to two Republicans who have spoken with Trump, the president has also been frustrated with Kushner’s political advice, including his encouragement to back losing Alabama G.O.P. candidate Luther Strange and to fire F.B.I. Director James Comey, which Kushner denies. (For what it’s worth, Kushner’s choice of Strange prevented Trump from the embarrassment of inadvertently supporting Roy Moore.) Trump, according to three people who’ve spoken to him, has advocated for Jared and Ivanka to return to New York in part because they are being damaged by negative press. “He keeps pressuring them to go,” one source close to Kushner told me. But as bad as the Russia investigation may be, it’s not clear a New York homecoming would be much better for Kushner, given that his family’s debt-ridden office tower at 666 Fifth Avenue could be headed for bankruptcy.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/11/jared-kushner-horizons-are-collapsing-within-the-west-wing
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Reply Kushner's worried Mueller's going to "get the President" (Original post)
octoberlib Nov 2017 OP
Eliot Rosewater Nov 2017 #1
kairos12 Nov 2017 #14
Qutzupalotl Nov 2017 #15
rurallib Nov 2017 #19
getagrip_already Nov 2017 #22
Qutzupalotl Nov 2017 #35
getagrip_already Nov 2017 #36
ProfessorGAC Nov 2017 #2
DavidDvorkin Nov 2017 #3
octoberlib Nov 2017 #4
gordianot Nov 2017 #8
LisaL Nov 2017 #5
Angry Dragon Nov 2017 #6
blueinredohio Nov 2017 #7
lindysalsagal Nov 2017 #9
byronius Nov 2017 #13
PJMcK Nov 2017 #26
Control-Z Nov 2017 #10
yonder Nov 2017 #18
ananda Nov 2017 #11
jrthin Nov 2017 #33
TalenaGor Nov 2017 #12
dhol82 Nov 2017 #16
Ilsa Nov 2017 #29
Skittles Nov 2017 #17
getagrip_already Nov 2017 #23
Skittles Nov 2017 #31
getagrip_already Nov 2017 #32
Puzzler Nov 2017 #20
getagrip_already Nov 2017 #24
7962 Nov 2017 #21
Honeycombe8 Nov 2017 #25
Doodley Nov 2017 #27
blitzen Nov 2017 #28
Blue Owl Nov 2017 #30
Sunlei Nov 2017 #34

Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 07:22 PM

1. His ability to pardon himself and anyone else has to be taken from him, somehow.

I want a peaceful transition of power when he and his entire group are arrested for treason, conspiracy, etc. But that cant happen if he can thumb his nose at real patriots with his stolen power of pardon.

He is not legitimate.

At all.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 08:24 PM

14. If he pardons himself, and his family, and SCOTUS

supports him 5-4, we now have a confirmed tyrant.

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Response to kairos12 (Reply #14)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 08:50 PM

15. Mueller has been working with Schneiderman and Boente

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to serve up indictments for both federal and non-pardonable state level offenses.

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Response to Qutzupalotl (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 09:18 PM

19. wonder what happens if he refuses to surrender to state authorities?

An I am almost sure he will, probably claiming federal law usurps state law blah, blah, blah.

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Response to Qutzupalotl (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 09:24 PM

22. that approach has flaws....

federal prosecution takes jurisdiction over state, so the trump doj can just claim supremecy and petition a federal judge to make it the feds responsibility to prosecute.

then they can bury it after a pardon.

Or, they can use the power of right wing media to flip the ny gov to the R side, and the gov can pardon them.

The path is not certain in state court, even for the kids, by any means.

Nothing is certain, and unfortunately trump has power beyond limits of anyone except congress, and they won't act. ever. fuhgetaboutit.

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Response to getagrip_already (Reply #22)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 12:50 AM

35. Theyre working together, coordinating charges.

The targets are facing both federal and state charges at once. State charges cannot be pardoned by the president. A new New York governor wouldn’t get in office until 2019, and Virginia just elected a Democrat. Trump is toast.

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Response to Qutzupalotl (Reply #35)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 08:07 AM

36. yes, but not for the same crimes....

You can't be charged twice for the same crime. So if the charge is conspiracy to defraud, it can either be tried in state or federal court, but not both.

In almost all cases, courts will give preference to the feds and give them jurisdiction. That prevents the state from prosecuting the case. In the normal universe, it's used when the feds don't believe the state will fairly prosecute, as in the case of a white sherrif killing a black person in the south. The concern is that no matter how compelling the evidence, the prosecutor wouldn't mount an effective case due to sympathy for the defendent.

So all trump needs to do is get the doj to request jurisdiction. US attorneys in southern ny are in his pocket. easy peasy. then pardons will work. The trick is to find a ny statute which has no federal analogue. It has to be specific enough to not also be a fed crime. Not easy to do.

Oh, and ny has a long history of electing r gov's. What would happen if someone accuses the dem of raping them as a child 40 years ago? Don't think that can happen? It will. Over and over.

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 07:24 PM

2. Delicious!

This is what happens when a gaggle of silverspoon twits get put in a position to prove they were born to fail except for daddy's bank account!

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 07:31 PM

3. We're worried he won't.

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Response to DavidDvorkin (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 07:34 PM

4. You said it! Jared should be worried about himself as well.

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Response to octoberlib (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 07:45 PM

8. Jared will go much sooner than his father in law.

Donald will have to pardon the kids some day now that he has practiced on turkeys.

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 07:36 PM

5. From his lips to God's ears.

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 07:38 PM

6. Long shall they live in the streets

to go through the trash bins of Trump Tower

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 07:39 PM

7. Jared has to stay in Washington and try to get money to pay on his debts

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 08:07 PM

9. Yes, Jarred. We've discussed this already. You married a criminal and her criminal father.

And you're all going the way of the Madoffs. Have a nice day.

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 08:19 PM

13. +1

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 09:53 PM

26. Jared was born into a criminal enterprise

Marrying into the TrumpCrimeFamily™ was par for the course.

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 08:13 PM

10. Isn't that something like admitting guilt?

If the maggot's done nothing wrong then how could they "get the president?”

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Response to Control-Z (Reply #10)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 09:17 PM

18. Exactly. great observation!

not meaning to be redundant here but how could he be "gotten" if Jared knows the Tanzaniac to be innocent? Interesting choice of words on Jared's part. Nice catch chay-zed!

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 08:14 PM

11. What "president"?

45 is not my president.

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Response to ananda (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 10:37 PM

33. Agreed. He's just the man shit staining all

over, and in the WH.

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 08:19 PM

12. this is so surreal....address is 666 for real?

Luther strange? We're in a marvel comics simulation right?

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Response to TalenaGor (Reply #12)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 08:57 PM

16. Seems like it, doesnt it?

All we need are Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman flying in to save us.

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Response to TalenaGor (Reply #12)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 10:11 PM

29. When Mohammed bin Salaman (sp?) goes public with ARAMCO,

Jared and Donald will get some first pickings of the shares. I suspect they'll flip them and make enough to pay down their russian oligarch investors.

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 09:14 PM

17. what a fucking loser

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Response to Skittles (Reply #17)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 09:26 PM

23. not a loser... yet..

but a criminal always

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Response to getagrip_already (Reply #23)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 10:30 PM

31. anyone pimping for Trump is a loser

ugh

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Response to Skittles (Reply #31)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 10:32 PM

32. true, but only in our minds...

he has a large income, paid by us in no small part, power, and influence.

He hasn't lost anything yet. Not like we have.

His time will hopefully arrive.

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 09:21 PM

20. Pardoning and pleading the 5th?

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m thinking that IF any pardoning were done (or could be done), would that mean that there could be NO pleading the 5th, if ordered to testify about anything?

If so, a quagmire awaits them. And they could be prosecuted for OTHER reasons. Unless, there’s an endless stream of pardoning...



-Puzzler

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Response to Puzzler (Reply #20)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 09:29 PM

24. nope, you don't give away rights..

when you accept a pardon. you can still remain silent. You can always claim you might end up in jeopardy by saying something false, so you can just shut up completely. As long as perjury is in play, you can't talk.

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 09:21 PM

21. Oh, I bet he's worried. About more than that.

 

Plus, hes a shitty businessman.

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 09:50 PM

25. Don't tell me Kushner is ready to be the sacrificial lamb for Trump. Still? Geez. nt

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 10:07 PM

27. Such a sense of entitlement. Usually devoid of expressing emotion he looks every inch the psychopath

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 10:09 PM

28. 666 Fifth Avenue...too perfect! n/t

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 10:16 PM

30. Bwahahaha...



Boogie man's coming... For YOU!

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 10:39 PM

34. None of the Leadership Republican party are backing him, they're letting him swing in the storm

alone.

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