Just 22% Say Franken Should Stay In Office

[book_worm]

A new KSTP/SurveyUSA poll in Minnesota finds that just 22% of Minnesotans surveyed said Sen. Al Franken (D-MN) should remain in office. Another 33% say he should resign, while 36% say he should wait for results of a Senate Ethics Committee investigation.

Nate Silver: “I think Democrats have underestimated how seriously voters are taking the Franken allegations and how hypocritical it makes them look.”

https://politicalwire.com/2017/11/22/just-22-say-franken-stay-office/

Of course an additional 36% say that he should wait.

[hlthe2b]

1. that is beyond misleading when 36% say he should wait... the headline ignores THEM!

or makes the assumption that the "waiters" believe he should GO. SO SO unbelievably WRONG

[JI7]

3. Yup

[JI7]

2. The country is full of dumb fucks

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. It is imperative that we take our country back from the Deplorables .

So many people are counting on us to rescue them.


What should any Democrats who stands in the way of achieving that goal do ?

[dhill926]

4. Fuck this...

country has gone insane..:

[madville]

5. Two More Women Accuse Sen. Al Franken Of Inappropriate Touching

It's not looking good.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/al-franken-two-more-women-groping_us_5a15a455e4b09650540ec295?b9q

Two more women have told HuffPost that Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) touched their butts in separate incidents. These are the third and fourth such allegations against Franken in the past week. Leeann Tweeden, a radio host, wrote last week that Franken had kissed and groped her without her consent during a 2006 USO tour. On Monday, Lindsay Menz accused Franken of groping her at the Minnesota State Fair in 2010.

[BeyondGeography]

13. So Al denies asking for a bathroom date but is mum on the butt grabbing?

Yeah, not good.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. What bathroom? What's a bathroom date ?

[BeyondGeography]

17. It is at the link dude

The second woman told HuffPost that Franken cupped her butt with his hand at a 2008 Democratic fundraiser in Minneapolis, then suggested the two visit the bathroom together. She spoke on condition of anonymity out of fear that the allegation could affect her position at work.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. I was multitasking, watching a basketball game.

It just shows you think you know public figures but you don't.

[BeyondGeography]

20. Total bummer

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. If he's hurting my/our party...

Back to the game.


Happy Thanksgiving, friend.

[BeyondGeography]

24. Cheers DSB

Like your approach.

[njhoneybadger]

23. I just read your link. He is fucking toast

Omg I feel sick

[octoberlib]

41. These are Democratic women without any political motivations. Doesn't look good.

[highmindedhavi]

60. Damn, you're right

Nt

[guillaumeb]

7. Another Nate Silver prediction?

I understand. 36 plus 22 equals 58. And what of the 9% who expressed other preferences?

So 33% outweighs 67%?

Run the same poll about Trump and let us see the results.

[Voltaire2]

9. Hes done and should resign.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. I trust Al Franken will do what is best for our party whatever they might be.

[gratuitous]

10. 58% say Franken should stay or we should wait until the investigation concludes

That's a pretty good vote of confidence from the people of Minnesota.

[madville]

11. This was probably before the third and fourth accusers

were reported on today. Sounds like a pattern developing, I would bet more surface.

[True Dough]

33. I think you're right

and public perception of Franken will sink further because his support comes from Democrats, who might be described as "too quick to eat their own," but when the details are mounting as they have been in this case, the guilt is apparent.

Many Republicans may back Roy Moore regardless, but we have to hold ourselves to a higher standard.

[gratuitous]

61. Yep

As was my post.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

14. I think the investigation should take place before any decisions are made.

It's very disturbing to hear about a couple more instances of ass-grabbing - but as things stand now I'd rather keep him in the Senate and have him do penance by focusing on legislation that improves the basically toothless legal processes for dealing with sexual harassment. But what the hell could he have been thinking, grabbing women's butts during public events? Didn't he get that there was something wrong with that?

I am really beginning to think that there are a lot of men, including many we think of as "good guys" and not predators like Weinstein or Moore, who don't really get what sexual harassment includes. They might think it's only stuff like having to sleep with the boss in order to get a promotion, or getting felt up at the company Christmas party. Even in my own life, I've found that stuff like butt-patting is regarded by a lot of men as just harmless flirting, while we women actually think it's intrusive and creepy. Maybe Franken could be put to work doing something to help these unenlightened men get a clue, because it seems to be desperately needed.

[ClarendonDem]

26. And Alabama Republicans

Had rather have Roy Moore in the senate than Doug Jones. Doesn't make Franken or Moore supporters right.

[JI7]

28. Like charlie rose

He thinks there was nothing wrong because he wasn't trying to affect their job situatiion .

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

38. Except Rose was using his power as their boss to take advantage of them

and they went along with it (up to a point) and didn't complain because they wanted to stay in journalism and knew he had the power to either help or hurt them. So it was definitely work-related.

[Blue_true]

48. I am tired of the but, but BS.

Touching someone without their permission is wrong, period, I don't care what party the victim belongs to.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

49. Yes, of course.

[True Dough]

37. This is the slippery slope

If Franken isn't removed from office (or chooses to resign), we are opening the door to defenses for the Pussy-Grabber-in-Chief. We should not do that under any circumstances.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

40. I don't agree. The slope isn't that slippery.

As with any sort of misconduct, there is a continuum of "badness." Not all crimes or misdeeds are treated the same, nor should they be. People go to prison for many years for rape; should they also go to prison for many years for butt-patting? It's a mistake, I think, to conflate this with the predatory and overtly assaultive actions of Moore and Weinstein (and Trump). They are not the same. I'm not defending butt-grabbing, and I'm very disappointed in Franken (he's my Senator; I've met him and he did not grab my butt), but does he really need to be a sacrificial lamb when he can be an effective force against the sort of things he is alleged to have done, as well as far worse acts?

[True Dough]

46. Definitely not on the same page

First of all, I did not insinuate that butt-patting should result in a trip to prison.

But equating what Franken is alleged to have done with what Trump is alleged to have done (I didn't compare it to Weinstein or Roy Moore) is not far-fetched at all.

If you can make a case for Franken being a candidate for some sort of harassment workshop where he can be rehabilitated then Republicans can, and will, certainly latch onto that same "penalty" for Trump.

No f'n way. There's the door fellas, both of you can make your exit.

[MFM008]

54. Bullshit

We go high and get kicked in the Crack and LOSE.
I say wait and see more information.
Do you actually think any accused republican is going to do the right thing????

[True Dough]

57. I don't care what the Rethugs do

I don't live by the philosophy of lowering myself to the level of a snake. I have to be able to look in the mirror and live with my conscience.

Wrong is wrong.

[Wellstone ruled]

16. Hmmm. KSTP,Stanley Hubbard,

one of Norm Coleman's Money men,one of Minnesota's GOP's main money go to Guy's for Money. Interesting.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

43. Yes, I'd like to see exactly how those poll questions were worded.

I don't trust much of anything that comes out of KSTP.

[Wellstone ruled]

47. Funny you should ask,

did polling part time in the mid nineties,gee whiz,remember a KSTP poll. It is all about the Sentence structure and the choices of answers. Golly Gee Whiz,what can go wrong,yes you do get the desired results.

Also,what areas of the State are you assigned to call using preselected call sheets.

[sarisataka]

18. Just 33% say Franken should resign his office

... also headlines the results of this poll

[agincourt]

21. Moore in the Senate in December

and Franken will be out of the Senate over the GOPigs hijacking the MeToo airliner. That in a nutshell shows the asinine selective accountability of the US political system today. It's literally killing us. This smells like a setup to me, but he will probably have to resign to keep Minnesota blue. The polarity of accountablility blows you away.

[LisaL]

29. My feelings exactly.

Why are only democrats supposed to be accountable for something they did (or didn't) do?

[spanone]

25. isn't it amazing the response to franken and conyers compared to the response to donald j trump

why does trump get a pass?

[LisaL]

27. And I bet Moore is getting elected.

Republicans don't care.

[ClarendonDem]

30. Trump got a pass from deplorables

But that doesn't mean we Dems should give Franken a pass.

[spanone]

44. agreed, trump should be held to the same standard as Franken

[saidsimplesimon]

31. I take this seriously.

Senator Franken, watch your backside. You need the support of your state. Tell them how you are representing their interests. Do not resign. imo

[Turbineguy]

32. Looks like the Russians have Franken

in their sights.

I suppose he should resign before he can prove his innocence. That would be what the Russians want.

[Dawson Leery]

39. It is bullshit.

Franken should resign but Moore should be elected.

Fuck the religious right.

Fuck religion!

[Voltaire2]

53. Blaming everything on Russians is idiocy.

[blueinredohio]

34. He should wait for ethics investigation then anonymous accusers have to come forward

[LisaL]

36. I'd say.

It's possible to bring down a senator by anonymous accusations, then who is going to be safe?

[tblue37]

45. +1. nt

[cloudythescribbler]

35. Woody Allen was right to warn of a "witch hunt" mentality over sexual transgressions

Just as anything involving "sex offenders" gets the voting public all jiggly (no one wants to dare advocate lesser punishment or restrictions on post-incarceration freedom for them), so the issue of sexual misbehavior can get way out of hand. First off, the RW doesn't care -- they united, especially the RW evangelicals, around Trump because they are serious about power. But progressives can't wait to find some transgression -- especially in the sexual realm -- to throw their leadership under a bus. Frankly, if these third and fourth reports turn out to be real and actual (and not merely setup or something, seems unlikely) Franken is probably toast. This the same week that net neutrality is on the chopping block, and leadership against it in Congress is desperately needed.

Moore, if he stays in thru election day, will probably garner the backing of the overwhelming majority of Repugs & RW voters in his state, tho their turnout may be somewhat less than it would otherwise be. Again, the RW evangelicals are backing him passionately. And this is a serial child molester, well-documented. But this is how a sexual transgression mania works -- progressives are often ready to abandon their leaders after the first incident, and certainly now Franken may be forced to resign. At least MN has a Democrat in the Governor's mansion. But the underlying problem is the mind-set of the broad range of progressives, which is hard to change. Sexual issues are wrapped in the garb of political correctness in support of women's rights, although clearly the application of the concern is in many cases apt to harm the interests of women considerably.

And I suspect that Franken is only the first of many progressive (or in his case, progressive-leaning) political figures whose leadership is sorely needed that are going to be canned for relatively minor sexual (alleged) infractions (of course, NO infraction is truly and generally treated by progressives as a whole as "minor" )

The (near) election on Donald Trump (true the GOP had to steal the election, but the reportage of that, following Greg Palast, has been cravenly avoided by the MSM and the Democratic leadership, with that problem going all the way down to the astroturf roots; you hardly see ANY discussion of Greg Palast and his concerns, further raised in the Georgia special election for Congress to crickets, even on DU). Progressives seem culturally programmed to pursue and accept defeat by the right, and if and when that fails, by the phoniest of "lefts"

[Lucky Luciano]

42. What percentage wanted him to resign before the fake allegations came out? nt

[flamingdem]

50. And what do those IDIOTS (for sure this survey is shit) think about TRUMP?

Do 88% think he should resign?

NO??? THEN YOU KNOW THIS "NEWS" IS JUST MORE RIGHT WING (and / or Russian) BULLSHIT

Stop spreading it please

[Baitball Blogger]

51. Sounds like Nate Silver over polled Republicans again.

"I think Democrats have underestimated..." That means that the serious voters he's talking about are Republicans.

Why is he wasting our time? Republicans will never vote for a Democrat.

[mythology]

58. Well it's clear you don't actually know what Nate Silver does

Here's a hint, he and 538 don't do any polling. None.

[Baitball Blogger]

62. He looks at a number of polls and bases his conclusions on the averages.

So, every poll company that is in his test group is important to know. He showed his hand by his own choice of words.

[Puzzledtraveller]

52. The problem

let's say you want to cut losses short, as in distractions and things that can make our party seem less credible on this issue and you convince Franken to resign, then what do you do if it happens again? The way it's going we may be setting our own precedent in which we force our own people out over the slightest allegation which is probably going to happen more and motivate what may be incidental events to be made public.

[LisaL]

55. Well, exactly.

It would be so easy to bring anyone down. And the accusations don't have to be true, as we now even have to accept anonymous accusations as reasons to resign? We will have bots accusing people.

[BootinUp]

56. Resist the knee jerk reaction. Eom

[still_one]

59. Franken should NOT resign unless it can be guarenteed that a Democrat will replace him through

2020

That in no way means approval, or looking the other way against the assumed inappropriate behavior, but it does mean that we MUST do everything in our power to prevent another Gorsuch nomination.