No Democratic Congress people should resign

[kimbutgar]

Have them finish their terms and let the voters decide whether they should stay or go. Rethugs never surrender, Vitter, Stanford, twitler and so many others.

I’m getting sick of our purity tests for Democrats. Franken and Conyers have done a lot for this country in holding twitler responsible for his crimes.

[LisaL]

1. That's what I am thinking.

Republicans don't care. Trump got elected, Moore is most likely getting elected. Why only democrats should pay the price when they are accused?

[Matthew28]

2. I agree

We need every democrat seated to have a chance to hold back the republican attack on our nation.

[Irish_Dem]

3. I've been saying the same thing about Moore. Let the good (?) people of Alabama decide.

This is a democracy.

[LisaL]

4. If Alabama votes for Moore (which I am pretty sure they will)

then he will be a senator. Republicans aren't going to remove him.

[Irish_Dem]

8. Yes and I do not think there is much we can do about it.

He and the GOP don't care about public opinion.

[Igel]

32. Packwood.

Although the power of counterexamples in the face of a belief is pretty much negative, there it is. Threat of removal led to self-removal.


Remember the discussion of replacing Moore on the ballot? Let's hypothesize that this is still what many would want. It's unattainable.

No, wait. It's completely practical. Just awkward.

If Moore wins, wait a few months and then have him resign.

Suddenly, respect for women.

Suddenly, new special election is called.

Suddenly, new GOP candidate.

No guarantee, of course. But it's a plausible route to a different outcome.

[tblue37]

5. +1. nt

[guillaumeb]

6. I believe that David Vitter was a "frequent flyer" at the DC Madam operation.

He did not resign, and was re-elected.

[oberliner]

7. Republican senators have resigned

John Ensign comes to mind.

[LisaL]

9. After an ethics investigation.

We now demand people resign without even an investigation.

[Sneederbunk]

27. Larry Craig said he was going to resign and didn't.

[saidsimplesimon]

10. kim, I agree.

If they are guilty of any crimes or inappropriate behaviour, show me the proof, a video or twitter record would be helpful. Until that happens, I urge Democrats to stay in the office and serve US. Don't let anyone distract from Mueller's investigation. If he finds no wrong doing, I will accept his decision.

As a former resident of Michigan, there have been "rumours" floating about Conyers for decades. No proof, to my knowledge. I will not call it a witch hunt, for now.

"The truth will set you free."

[Blue_true]

11. I disagree.

If Franken resigns, a very, very liberal Democratic Governor picks his replacement and that person gets a leg up for reelection. If Franken clings on, the Governor seat comes up for election in 2018 with Democrats in Minnesota being weighed down by Franken, a republican likely win the Governor chair and when Franken finally gets forced out, that Gov appoint a republican, who gets inside track for reelection.

The two most recent women sound like activist Democrats based upon the functions that they were touched at, in the same fashion the second woman said that she was touched. I believe them.

[onenote]

12. Members of both parties have resigned in the past

Repubs:
Robert Livingston (1999)
Mark Foley (2006)
Mark Souder (2010)
Chris Lee (2011)
Tim Murphy (2017)

Democrats:
Eric Massa (2010)
Anthony Weiner (2011)
David Wu (2011)

There also are members of both parties who did not resign. In some instances they decided not to run for reelection; in other instances they ran and lost, and in a few instances they ran and won.

[FakeNoose]

20. Maybe it's time to elect some women to these seats

For some reason women don't have these problems.

Just sayin'

[alarimer]

13. The problem is, under that scenario, Franken likely loses to a Republican.

I'm thinking strategically for Democrats, it's better to have him resign, then the Dem governor appoints a Dem replacement (say, Keith Ellison- I'm just speculating here) who serves until the special election or until the term is up. Then whoever it is (hopefully Ellison) wins reelection. Otherwise, in 2020, we potentially lose the seat to an R.

I do still think any accuser needs to testify UNDER OATH. Period. Otherwise they are liars in my book.

[LisaL]

15. Franken wants an investigation.

Why should he resign without even an investigation? If we demand people resign over accusations (even anonymous ones) then who is going to be safe?

[alarimer]

16. I agree.

There is no rush. This is the main issue I have will all of this. It would suck, actually, for Roy Moore to be seated while Franken has to resign. Bill Clinton never resigned and he was accused of worse.

[LisaL]

17. Exactly.

If we demand people resign on anonymous accusations, we will have people resigning over being accused by bots. Meanwhile republicans just elect people accused of much worse and don't care one bit on how it looks.

[kimbutgar]

19. We Americans have a short attention span

In the next 6 months (if the past 9 months are an indicator) the American people and media will forget because there’s going to be a lot worst happening. Minnesota is a Democratic State and they are not trending rethug because of demographics. I don’t see them electing a rethug when Al Franken is up for re election.

[alarimer]

23. No, youre probably right.

I was forgetting how blue MN is. I was only thinking that sometimes voters vote for the opposite after some scandal or something.

[flamingdem]

14. F.U. to people advocating that Franken resign

HE STAYS

[40RatRod]

18. Concur- but I am feeling I ...

...am shouting in the wind. I hope the GOP are not able to twist this to their advantage.
My Thanksgiving prayer will be: Dear God... What has our country. Help us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!i

[murielm99]

21. Franken isn't going to resign.

What is the matter with you people?

[McCamy Taylor]

22. Thank you.

[smirkymonkey]

24. Agree completely!

Fuck this crap. As long as people like Trump and Moore - who are 10 times worse than any Democrat - stay in office, no Democrat should even consider resigning.

[kimbutgar]

25. +1

[diva77]

26. rethugs voted to throw millions off of health care - putting millions of lives in peril

they should resign for that alone

[Snackshack]

28. I dont think any of these.

People should resign until an investigation is conducted and if they are found guilty then they should resign. The burden of proof should be greater than an “anonymous accusation”.

[LisaL]

30. Exactly. At least have an investigation first.

[MichMan]

31. According to the OP, even being found guilty doesn't warrant a resignation

Contrary to the OP, I believe there are some actions where resignation is warranted

Bribery

Assault & Battery

Sexual assault

Treason

Embezzlement

Fraud

Murder

[secondwind]

29. Agree 100 percent. To me, it seems that Franken

packed his comedy routine in his suitcase when he went to Washington.

Once a comedian, always a comedian. I’m a 70 yr old woman, by the way, and am repulsed by child molesters who stalk teen girls, but not so much the comedian.

[american_ideals]

33. Some "Scandals" sourced/fueled by Kremlin / alt-right

Link to tweet

From the Russian Troll monitoring dashboard (run by Clint Watts):
http://dashboard.securingdemocracy.org/

Between November 11 and November 17, we examined 55 articles that were among the top URLs shared by Kremlin-oriented accounts on Twitter. Over 40% of the URLs focused on sexual misconduct allegations; of those URLs, 42% attacked accused Democrats (or those connected to liberal causes), 4% promoted a narrative of a Saudi-linked pedophile ring, and 54% defended Roy Moore.

https://imgur.com/rBEu51V


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That said I think Conyers may need to resign. Let's wait for facts on Franken.

[UCmeNdc]

34. Agree 100%

Republicans do not resign.