If Trump doesn't resign Al Franken certainly should not

[flamingdem]

People are losing all perspective, all ability to think clearly.

What is this bullshit? The rest of the world is laughing at us. Destroying someone over a butt pat.

STOP THIS MADNESS

[BootinUp]

1. Its out-of-control!

[flamingdem]

2. Some Dems (if they are Dems and not bots) are acting like masochists

not acknowledging the danger we're in with Trump.

Meanwhile OBVIOUSLY SO SO SO OBVIOUSLY Franken has been one of the BEST attack Dems on Russia

[dalton99a]

3. It's a RW hit job.

[superpatriotman]

4. But boobies and wee wees!1!1

Who will think of the children?!
Oh, right, Roy Moore.

[Matthew28]

5. I agree Flamingdem

We're at war with archaist and religious fundies that want to drive us back to the 18th century. Time to fight like hell!

[flamingdem]

6. I think we're seeing the work of the worst people on earth trying to parlay this into a huge loss

Al Franken is a very talented politician. We need people like him. I think most of what's being pushed is fake.

I don't believe the accusers. Whatever is driving them, it's not good. Someone said OH NOES they don't seem to be right wing.

Fuck that. They have a dog in the fight. They're getting 15 minutes of fame or money or something.

Who is going to give a damn if some guy squeezed them, nothing like what Trump has done or Pedo Moore

[american_ideals]

7. These "Scandals" sourced/fueled by Kremlin / alt-right

Link to tweet

From the Russian Troll monitoring dashboard (run by Clint Watts):
http://dashboard.securingdemocracy.org/

Between November 11 and November 17, we examined 55 articles that were among the top URLs shared by Kremlin-oriented accounts on Twitter. Over 40% of the URLs focused on sexual misconduct allegations; of those URLs, 42% attacked accused Democrats (or those connected to liberal causes), 4% promoted a narrative of a Saudi-linked pedophile ring, and 54% defended Roy Moore.

https://imgur.com/rBEu51V

[flamingdem]

9. Exactly, human trafficking vs. a butt pat

Hmmm. Which is worse? I dunno...

[Fred Sanders]

10. 1 butt grab with name, 2 more anonymous and a flak jacket spoof...versus Moore(R)

and Trump(R) accusations which are in a differnt league, but only Franken(D) should resign?

What is the difference I wonder? Time for D to grow a pair and put an end to these obvious false equivalencies. Why are secular folk being held to a higher standard than the family values folks?

If not now to draw the line, when?

[pangaia]

15. ++++++fred

[UTUSN]

8. "STOP THIS MADNESS" indeed. We're in a fever.

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[cubbies01]

11. I feel like it is a hit

Sorry. Just don’t find Tweeden story credible given Stone knew about it and her appearances on Sean Hannity....where she expressed birther views. I think they knew they had gold with that picture (in which by the way he is holding his hands close but not grabbing her breasts...as a comedian at a USO tour riddled with such antics).

I found the story of the Minnesota State Fair odd in that husband was taking photo.
Then followed by two anonymous stories of butt grabbing. How exactly do you defend yourself from that type of accusation if they are fabricated.

Timing, Roger Stone, and knowing how dirty and crazy the other side is means we have to take a bit more care with these accusations and take it all in. Like the fact he immediately asked for investigation and how that tells you he knew he was under attack. And how his female SNL members and current and female staff are standing by him. No way we get rid of him until we get more info.

[Initech]

12. This is total partisan politics.

They've found a way to use #MeToo as a weapon. We can't let these fucking assholes get away with this! If Moore wins it will be a very bad thing. Moore is all that is soulless and wrong with America.

[Susan Calvin]

13. Alleged butt pat.

I don't think Franken is stupid.

As far as I currently know, the joke photo was at least semi-official? I'd love a detailed investigation, as Al has requested.

Was the fair thing just a pat? (Again, allegedly.)

This is so apples and oranges.

So far, Al has handled it totally correctly, AFAIK.

[dflprincess]

20. How long before professional athletes start accusing teammates of harassment

when someone pats a butt after a good play?

[ornotna]

14. Agreed

Too many of us seem to be willing to capitulate far too quickly. I don't get it.

[Susan Calvin]

24. Democrats negotiating in advance.

We gotta knock that off.

[AllaN01Bear]

16. i agree with this and all posters on this thread.

if franken is forced out then donald dipstick must go along with all of his staff as well as the house with an r attached .

[pecosbob]

17. Sure...Franken should resign for the good of the Party

the day after both Trump and Sessions resign.

[flamingdem]

18. Exactly, and then Franken should run for Potus

He's incredibly intelligent and very popular

[McCamy Taylor]

19. Please stop putting Franketr's name in thread titles with Trump.

Franken is a patriot. Trump is a traitor.

[bdamomma]

35. 16 accusers for

the POS who is sitting in the WH, and is all for Roy Moore and Vlad Putin because they both denied doing any wrongdoings. I mean WTF.

[smirkymonkey]

21. Hear, hear!

This is absolute nonsense. Franken shouldn't even be entertaining the idea of stepping down. His "crime" was the equivalent of a parking ticket compared to all the disgusting things that the Republicans have been accused of (and are very likely guilty of).

[liberal_patriot_md]

22. Dont forget

It been almost four months since Congress passed new sanctions on Russia on which Trump has taken no action.

The NSC sent a proposal to Trump to arm Ukraine - no action.

GOP is attacking the poor and middle class through new tax rules, and dismantling Obamacare.

Net neutrality is disappearing.

And we are worried about what a few random women say about Franken’s hand placement a decade ago.

[bdamomma]

37. We have bigger fish to fry

too much other stuff is being dismantled right under our noses, if this keeps up we won't recognize America.

[Ccarmona]

23. Hit Job on Franken Same Day as Net Neutralitys Demise is Made Public

The Senator is very vocal and out front for maintaining the status quo on Internet Neutrality. The same day the FCC’s Pro Telcom proposal is made known, Franken is subjected to the right wing screw job.

[Susan Calvin]

25. Yep. nt

[bagelsforbreakfast]

26. Would like to see Al say,

"Okay, I'll resign if Mr. Trump, Moore (assuming he's elected), Barton and the rest do." I think he might even do that - he's upstanding enough to sacrifice himself for the greater good and get rid of rot like them. And throw in Clarence Thomas for good measure.

[solara]

27. Even if PINO trump resigns,

Franken should not. The Franken story is False Equivalency. He is so valuable in the Senate, but he was also vulnerable, no wonder they are going after him.

I am so sick of all this, but I guess it has to happen. The infection has to be revealed so it can be healed.

[american_ideals]

28. Richard Painter (ex-Bush lawyer) agrees that alt-right/Kremlin/GOP trolls fueled this "scandal"

Link to tweet

--------
And

Link to tweet

And

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9878975

[flamingdem]

29. Painter is right. GOP Grand ole Perverts know how to play the Dems

and they get away with so, so much more.

That has to change

[cwydro]

30. If there even WAS a butt pat.

This is utter nonsense...RW bullshit and some here are gullible enough to believe it.

[flamingdem]

31. I agree, anyone can say someone patted their hiney

That person may be motivated by politics and may just want attention, they might get some money from the right wing. If there's no proof these kinds of accusations should be ignored by the media.

[bdamomma]

38. We have

a self proclaimed Pu**y Grabber in the WH. His a$$ should be thrown out!!

[bdamomma]

33. All common sense

is being lost so is our moral compass. This is full blown assault on Senator Franken because he takes no shit he is a bulldog on Sessions.

He should not resign.

[malaise]

34. I said that on day one

and have nothing else to say. You first Groper Don the Con.

[steve2470]

36. I so agree

Funny how Trump was given a free pass basically for far worse than Senator Franken has been accused of. Funny that that is not brought up often by the pro-resign-Franken contingent here.