Anonymous accusers shouldn't carry any more weight here than in court.

[pnwmom]

To take seriously the claims of anonymous accusers violates one of the most basic principles of justice -- and I don't mean the "justice system." Just plain justice.

ANYONE should have the right to answer his or her accusers, but when the accuser is whispering stories anonymously, it removes that right.

DON'T GET PLAYED.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

1. Deep Throat was anonymous. nt

[pnwmom]

4. Deep Throat pointed the reporter in a direction and then the reporter

got independent verification ON THE RECORD from other sources.Or sometimes the reporters went to Deep Throat to confirm other info they had gotten.

All we have now is 2 stories that didn't stand up to scrutiny followed by two anonymous story-tellers.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

12. The reporter, in this case, has discussed this with the two anonymous women.

Just like Deep Throat.

[kcr]

23. Do you just flat out ignore things people say to you? n/t

[bagelsforbreakfast]

26. Give him the Turning test... fail...

[sl8]

28. Yes! I've often thought that we might evaluate a poster's merit by their skill on a lathe. n/t

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[Dr Hobbitstein]

29. No. Do you?

[mythology]

6. The first accuser was discounted for being "slutty", being a one-off complaintant and a Republican

the second for maybe being a Republican and for not responding "correctly". The third and fourth for not giving their name. It's almost like people just don't want to believe Franken is guilty and are going to find some reason to discount any accuser. When in doubt, just blame the woman.

It's sickening to see people's real principles. The women don't matter, only Franken matters.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

9. Indeed.

I agree with Franken's politics, but (as with Cosby before), this doesn't look good. There appears to be a pattern.

Could it be a hit? Sure. But it could also be true.

To jump to conclusions before all the facts are known is unwise.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. I don't know if I'm convinced defending Franken is even good politics.

[adigal]

10. I think the first was harassed, but in context of her grabbing another actors butt

It is hard to know if it was all of them just messing around and she used the picture out of context. The second? I believe her.

[Exultant Democracy]

13. The first accuser was a birther and coordinated with Rodger Stone

And used photos that she said showed something that they clearly didn’t show.

Do you think a right wing radio Obama birther has any crediblity?

Do you think Stone in this one instance in his entire life was just being a good guy looking to magnify the truth for the public?

If the answer to either of my questions is yes, then you need to take a deep look at yourself and your principals.

[pnwmom]

15. The first accuser was discounted because she lied on verifiable facts.

For instance, she said she had been hired with the expectation that she was going to be the emcee or host, not do a skit with Franken, but she went along with it. It turned out that she was a performer in multiple acts, not just Franken's, and had been performing in tours since at least 2003.

And in her 2017 statement, she recycled her CHARACTER'S accusation in the SKIT -- which was that the Franken CHARACTER wrote the skit to get her to kiss him.

As to the second woman, we're supposed to believe that Franken grabbed her ass while her husband shot the picture, and she showed no reaction. Yeah, right.

[Drahthaardogs]

24. No. A liar. The first accuser lied. Blatantly!

She said Al was writing the skit to kiss her. Said skit was being performed in 2003, three years before our little liar made her claim


Thanks for playing.

[oasis]

2. Anonymous accusers have ZERO CREDIBILITY. nt

[cwydro]

3. This.

Ditto.

[njhoneybadger]

5. I think a person could categorically deny certain behavior with people they don't know

[pnwmom]

7. He's asked for an investigation. We should wait and see what that uncovers. nt

[njhoneybadger]

14. Of course, I agree

I'm not calling for him to resign

[adigal]

8. Agreed 100% - even if Dotard was accused. I would have to say I dont give it

Any weight. Cause anyone can say anything and one has no way to defend oneself.

So I saw “anonymous” and just moved along. Didnt even read it.

[Irish_Dem]

11. The court of public opinion is different from a legal court setting.

Always has been, always will, like it or not.

[pnwmom]

16. Yeah it was during the Salem Witch Trials, too. We saw how well that went. n/t

[Irish_Dem]

22. We also saw an end to the Viet Nam war, the advent of civil and women's rights.

Sometimes public opinion gets it right.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. I suspect they will eventually be "forced" to come forward.

Should we believe them then ?

[pnwmom]

18. We should listen to them carefully and evaluate the credibility of what they say. n/t

[chowder66]

25. exactly! nt

[mainer]

20. look at this! Franken at State Fair in different shirt.

Is the Lindsay Menz photo a fake?

Link to tweet

[pnwmom]

21. Wow. This doesn't make much sense, does it? Well , this is what investigators are for. n/t

[TCJ70]

27. The MN state fair is a gigantic, multi-day event...

...so it’s feasable that it’s just a picture from a different day.