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by the Alt-Right Propaganda Machine and Russians.
Article on DU here: https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029879938
Link to article: https://medium.com/@Erinlank/the-alt-right-propaganda-machine-is-winning-because-americans-insist-on-being-stupid-a-timeline-of-e3bad99a51be
(Copy and past into browser. It won't link for some reason.)
cwydro
(51,308 posts)So many taking the bait.
jaysunb
(11,856 posts)FarPoint
(12,359 posts)Sure got some DU flack for calling this a Trial by Media etc.....
dhill926
(16,337 posts)2naSalit
(86,600 posts)Progressive dog
(6,902 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)flamingdem
(39,313 posts)Who are they? Why do they? How can they be "taught" not to or at least called to task?
This can't keep happening.
wolfie001
(2,228 posts).....We True Blue Dems call them spineless and to please grow one!
BannonsLiver
(16,384 posts)But I think a lot of the Franken must resign crowd are just good old fashioned moralists who are hopelessly naive.
calimary
(81,259 posts)WHY doesn't OUR side have our own dirty tricksters?
Why can't WE fight fire with fire? Why can't WE go on offense like this? Why can't WE fight dirty like they do? Taste of their own medicine. See how they like it.
Why can't WE have our own "Dark Arts" division?
Or do we just like being patsies and sitting ducks like this?
Volaris
(10,270 posts)We want them stopped, they want us KILLED.
It's why, had Grant surrendered to Lee instead of the other way round, Davis would have had Lincoln hanged.
A lot of it has to do with we don't see ourselves as cornered Rats, and that's the only way they can perceive themselves.
FuzzyRabbit
(1,967 posts)We need to take more roads than just the highest one.
BigmanPigman
(51,590 posts)We take the fucking "high" road and get screwed every time! Playing dirty works and we need to take a few pages from the GOP playbook...It has worked for over 30 years so it has been long enough to turn the other cheek. Obama tried to work with them for 8 long years and they walked all over us. Boehner, Gingrich, McConnell never wanted to work with us, only against us so FUCK THEM. Let's play ball!
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)By taking the high road our republic has been tarnished and diminished in so many ways. Its time to play by their rules. How about a bot attack of our own against Trump properties and products. Hit him in the only place he will hurt, his wallet and businesses. While we take the high road our country is going to shit. Its time to take the gloves off and get into a good old fashioned fist fight with the GOP!
LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)No more Mister Nice Guy,
No more Mister Clean,
No more Mister Nice Guy,
He's (Trump's) sick, he's obscene.
kcr
(15,316 posts)We just need less naivete. I do believe some of it is trolling, but knowing the history of some of those believing Franken is guilty, I believe some are just naive. They either don't understand how bad the other side is, and can't conceive of such hit jobs, or they're just blatantly ignorant of them. I share many of their principles, so I get where they're coming from, but I'm not blinded to the right-wing hit machine.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,686 posts)which we hand over as soon as they start acting mean.
It's way past time for that to stop.
certainot
(9,090 posts)notice limbaugh's inclusion - it's the only medium with no free easy alternatives - it's a 95% monopoly with a near captive audience.
here are a few things people can do:
to start, dems and media and political scientists need to be encouraged to poll trump support for talk radio. too much analysis ignores the fact that this is actually the talk radio president and most of putins trolling piggybacked it. ill bet it shows the closest association outside of white, and that will help establish it as a major factor.
monitor it should be easier now to automate recording and transcribing the main rw talkers so people can search and study the patterns and repetition. if all of a sudden theres a spike in, say the word iran or mueller or deep state, etc, it probably means something. knowing about it before it becomes reality means not always having to play catch up
credit it trump needs a RUSH tattoo on his forehead, as do all republican pols and media hacks. they all ride the talk radio bandwagon and feed from the daily smorgasbord of talking points and excuses. dems in media could accurately preface answers to republican media hacks and politicians with thats what limbaugh says but...
investigate it how long has putin been using it? did they find a way to feed limbaugh and coordinate with him and others? are any of them being paid freelance money? exposing the talk radio gods as tools, especially russian tools, would help. Trump guy Sam Nunberg analyzed 1000s of hrs of RW radio & reported to Trump in 2014. to coordinate with Russian ops?
thank all local businesses that advertise on RW radio stations thank them for trump, trumpcare, global warming, privatization of public education, voter suppression, deregulation, tax breaks for billionaires, etc. its easy and fun to listen to a few minutes here and there and get a few email addresses for thank-you notes that can get to the boss/owners.
protest it include the radio stations in any progressive protests they may be better places to protest than capitols politicians and media will notice.
and to combine a few of those, push the 88 universities that endorse 257 limbaugh stations to stop crapping on their mission statements and start looking for apolitical alternatives to broadcast sports on maybe their political science faculties and students can start studying the most dominant political factor in the US the last 30 years. people need to wonder why the unis should drop rw radio. it will start a discussion, gop will freak out, media will notice, and advertisers will flee.Why these 88 universities are good places to protest global warming, Trump, everything
certainot
(9,090 posts)notice limbaugh's involvement. talk radio is key to giving this crap buzz. everyone says the trump base is old - many are and many don't use social media - they listen to talk radio and those they trust who listen to racist liars on talk radio and 1500 radio stations and the buzz they create have been instrumental for the russian bot work that stuck. that's why trump studied talk radio in 2014, according to sam nunberg.
talk radio is the most important part of the r-con/russian media work and democratic and progressive groups are fucking negligent for ignoring it and wasting our donations for 30 years.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)MelissaB
(16,420 posts)It was coordinated.
Denzil_DC
(7,234 posts)In this case, too slick - you can see the workings, and as pointed out above, the timings of the articles show this was a prepared push.
pecosbob
(7,538 posts)That doesn't mean it's not effective...people can be pretty stupid. The southern strategy proves this.
Denzil_DC
(7,234 posts)Let's hope.
Interesting times, huh?
Welcome to DU, BTW, and Happy Thanksgiving.
lancelyons
(988 posts)I wonder if there will be some investigation by the media to try and prove this. I do believe he is being setup.
How she can show the picture as proof of groping while she is on film groping somebody herself almost like it was part of the act.
Roger Stone knowing early is the proof it was already in the process and known by a group of individuals.
BigmanPigman
(51,590 posts)likely will not share it with the public. This is why Franken wanted an investigation...to clear his name and show the BS set up. If the Dems do not go with it the we should give them Hell and hit the phones (202)224-3121.
GoCubsGo
(32,083 posts)If Roger Stone and Infowars are involved, I don't see how anyone could think otherwise.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)American democracy, betraying the USA. Deplorable.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)lastlib
(23,226 posts)with all this sh1t happening, I smell a fix....... Anybody else?
Do we have any forces in AL that can stand guard on this?
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Just ask Don Seigelman.
lastlib
(23,226 posts)Good point.
questionseverything
(9,654 posts)oasis
(49,383 posts)MelissaB
(16,420 posts)He and some others give me hope.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)Denzil_DC
(7,234 posts)Link to tweet
The polling data is in. By huge margins bots on Twitter and Facebook are demanding that Al Franken resign.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)Barthes would be proud.
Kingofalldems
(38,456 posts)tenderfoot
(8,430 posts)Check out the OPs regarding Franken
Kingofalldems
(38,456 posts)Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)riverwalker
(8,694 posts)TrollBuster9090
(5,954 posts)Does anyone feel like checking on Google Image search?
Butterflylady
(3,543 posts)Well if it doesn't google the name and you will know that this is definitely a hit job. Mr. Atwater was a senior partner in the political consulting firm of Black, Manafort, Stone, and Kelly. Atwater was king of dirty tricks and I'm sure Stone learned a lot from him.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,686 posts)He's been a ratfucker even before he worked for Atwater.
dlk
(11,566 posts)fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)TrollBuster9090
(5,954 posts)So, the teenage Moldavian trolls start work at 4pm, as soon as they get out of school.
elmac
(4,642 posts)which is about $20 a day there. Cyber jobs are a way out of poverty for a lot of Russian youth. The seedy side of the job doesn't matter as long as they have money for Iphones and the latest wears. Its probably a prestige thing also.
trof
(54,256 posts)'Splain me, please?
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)Same Franken story worded identical with identical hashtags all from fake MDs from Ukraine, and other foreign accounts. About 10 maybe more.
Kleveland
(1,257 posts)Too intellectually vapid to deal with the real physical world, so they have to hide behind a computer screen.
Dishonest Vodka soaked Putin sucking cowards.
nocalflea
(1,387 posts)No doubt, other dem commitee members dealing with Trump/Russia issues took due note of this the second it came out.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)All the nay sayers who didn't see the resemblance between this and HRC, Pelosi, Obama smear campaigns need to figure this shit out!
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029877908
kimbutgar
(21,141 posts)brewens
(13,583 posts)made Tweeden's shit stink all by himself, then it got worse. I'd already predicted we'd see "O'Queef" or another of Gannon's minions ginning up phony accusations.
Now if a legit accuser is not believed, I say go complain to Gannon or Stone.
Franken's statements have been understandable. Why not diffuse things best he can until the truth comes out? Plus he did have a pic out there that regardless of the circumstances, as a Senator, he would rather it not be seen.
Hekate
(90,678 posts)Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)And this could well be the most corrupt lying, cheating, stealing admin in American history. Definitely the most classless.
kcr
(15,316 posts)The second I found out Roger Stone was involved, I knew it was a smear job. It should have been obvious to everyone. This is the key point, right here:
"Who does she reach out to though? Under normal circumstances, the needle in the haystack nature of this KABC-AM article would all but ensure the story barely sees the light of day. But when you have the muscle of the Alt-Right Propaganda Machine behind you, a pizza parlor without a basement easily becomes an underground child trafficking hub. And clearly, Leeann Tweeden had that muscle on deck."
But they knew they could exploit #MeToo as their sickening sarcastic tweets clearly show. This outrages me and makes me feel hopeless and helpless that so many easily fell for it.
MFM008
(19,808 posts)Big fat republican rats.
C Moon
(12,213 posts)It couldn't have been made it any more obvious:
Trump gets back from meeting with Trump, and these new attacks on the Dems start.
orangecrush
(19,551 posts)and unfortunately it is working beautifully.
Unless we stop responding to it when it pushes the buttons, it will become impossible to distinguish truth from lies in this country.
treestar
(82,383 posts)ancianita
(36,055 posts)Turbineguy
(37,324 posts)They want people to know they can ratfuck Democrats whenever and wherever they want.