Despite my own wishes and common sense, I got political on Thanksgiving.

I would have kept my peace until the end, then said, "This should have been a politics-free day. I am leaving. We will have to agree that holidays should be politics-free, or I will not come back."

And I thought we had all agreed to that.

As Gloria Steinem said, "The personal is political."

Can't get away from it.

Good one.

at my house... fortunately we are all on the same page... well, the kids do think their mother is a bit extreme, but they tolerate it

I am too far left for them. LOL.

he just goes on and on anti trump when we should be eating turkey. He showed up after dinner anyway, but I guess you and I dont know how lucky we both are> may get political at the table, but at least no conservatives esp. Trump lovers

I think my b-i-l is mellowing w/age and didn't start shit. Also, my dad recently had a stroke so we were more concerned with having a "positive" time for his sake. Haven't been to my sister's for a holiday in a few years, too.

Though it wasn't easy for the kids/cousins, they are all teens now and VERY different... My daughter is openly gay @ home , but hasn't come out to the rest of the family...so she was having to choose her words more carefully. My teen son is kind-of a wanna-be thug...and the cousins are all very straight-laced christian. So my kids had to be creative to make conversation.

It was funny as hell when we got in the car and on the road...we ALL took a heavy sigh and high-fived that we survived...then proceeded to tell dirty jokes and laugh all the way home! (...then I had a couple stiff drinks!)


Sorry you had a meltdown,and that you got pushed to the edge.I have been there and actually even once asked my dad to leave my house if he was going to spew FauxNews hate. The polarization is SOOOO sad and drastic, it's hard that we sometimes don't even recognize our own family.

Love it. Glad you all survived.

I am openly bi and that, of course, is a sticky point in my Catholic family.

Mid-90's flashback.

You got in argument with them but I like how you spoke up. I don’t get how people think he isn’t getting a fair shot. He does most of the stuff himself. It’s not the media’s fault that he has the vocabulary and mental maturity of a third grader.

My family hates Trump so it was fun cracking jokes about him.

It's a lose, lose situation.

Most of the experiences I've had with Trumplodytes says that they think they win if they make sane people feel bad about themselves.

You should have added that not only did 3 million more people vote for Hillary over Trump, but also that there were a lot of people voting for Jill Stein during that election, and people who were sitting out because Bernie wasn't the nominee. Also, a lot of folks may have not voted because they assumed most Americans were smart enough not to vote for a pussy grabbing buffoon like Trump. All those additional people will be voting against Trump next time around.

you're going to have to offend people.

It really is that simple. You did a great job.

...then come to find out, how conservative some of the extended family is... I usually kill the conversation with this....

Yeah, I don't like Democrats either.

They are still too conservative for me.

*crickets*

I'm stealing it (and not just because it's witty, but because in my case it's also true).

If they find out you're a Democrat, they actually troll to get a response from you. When you win the argument, it doesn't matter because they think they won and you are "too stupid". They really don't have a clue.

To them, Democrats are all socialists...despite knowing that isn't true. So when you disarm them with a statement that says...I'm not your imaginary socialist, I'm a real socialist! They don't know what to do and realize they brought a knife to a gun fight.

Occasionally they will mummer something about Cuba, Venezuela, etc. Which I respond with, "I agree, communism doesn't work. At least in this stage of our human development, but if you think they are socialists nations, then you don't have a clue about economics, its like saying coke and water are the same because they are wet".

For some, avoidance is the line of least resistance. But you have to put them in the ground some day, and I feel like anything left unsaid will eat away at me....

So, if my relationship was strong enough with my own father, and he was such a loser, I'm not sure I'd keep my mouth shut, either.

I think it's great that you can disagree face-to-face.

Also not sure you can change anyone's mind at this point. It's irrational, so, rational arguments don't work.

I think it's great any time you can overcome your parent's limitations, especially with racism involved. And at this point, anyone who's still backing the jerk publically is a bigot: They're really saying, "It's Ok that I'm a bigot because the potus agrees with me."

But I knew a long time ago he is a racist, sexist bigot and I disagree with him on almost everything.

And please don't give me that parent thing "I don't care who started it."

In my experience, if you make ground rules "no politics," a RWer will be the first to break the rule. They can't help themselves. That doesn't mean you have to let bullshit go unchallenged.

I don't know your family, but if it were mine, I'd tell people next year. "No politics, period, or I'm leaving."

I have already told them that.

politics.

Politics are definitely on the table next year!!

I have done that and it works well.

I eliminate the stress.

I had quite a nice Thanksgiving, and one of the things I was very thankful for was not having to share it with them.

I hate what these people are doing to this country.

bullshit.

"How unfair the media is to Trump." And the idiots really believe that.

Good for you. Don't let their igorance go unanswered.

I love my family.

I draw the line at racist and sexist bullshit. I cannot hear it without a response.

closer to the surface. Nothing to do with emissions. I asked if he had any peer reviewed studies on it but I guess he didn't hear me.

So blinded by faux news.

Thanks, Kath2, for the cue...wine and Ani DiFranco were the perfect remedy for my soul.

I escaped the T-giving showdown but am still out of sorts while ensanred in the grip of the nonsensical and illogical moment in which we are all living.

I hate it.

This is a national nightmare.

but I can totally relate to why you went off on your dad. A dad should be close enough to at least wonder what the hell and potentially think a little.

Good luck with it. I am thankful that my dad is a progressive. Sometimes more than I am.