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Baconator

(1,459 posts)
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 02:26 PM Nov 2017

McCain To Hillary Clinton: Youve Got To Move On - HuffPo via Yahoo

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., says he understands why Hillary Clinton decided to write her campaign memoir, “What Happened,” which was published in September — 10 months after her brutal election loss to Donald Trump. But McCain, who suffered his own bitter defeat, to Barack Obama, as the Republican nominee in 2008, also knows that “you can’t rewrite history.”

“One of the almost irresistible impulses you have when you lose is to somehow justify why you lost and how you were mistreated: ’I did the right thing! I did!’” McCain told Esquire magazine for a lengthy profile published online Sunday. “The hardest thing to do is to just shut up.”

In “What Happened,” Clinton claims that the “attacks” Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., leveled at her during their Democratic primary battle “caused lasting damage,” made it harder to “unify progressives” and paved the way for Trump’s “Crooked Hillary” refrain.

“What’s the f***ing point? Keep the fight up?” McCain said of Clinton’s tome. “History will judge that campaign, and it’s always a period of time before they do. You’ve got to move on. This is Hillary’s problem right now: She doesn’t have anything to do.”


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McCain To Hillary Clinton: Youve Got To Move On - HuffPo via Yahoo (Original Post) Baconator Nov 2017 OP
Will history record McCain as an enabler in America's destruction? dalton99a Nov 2017 #1
Well he did give the world Sarah Palin crazycatlady Nov 2017 #23
We should be worried about the continued HATCHET JOB against Hillary. WHY THIS THREAD trueblue2007 Nov 2017 #40
Exactly!!!! Wiseman32218 Nov 2017 #41
well johnny, imagine if Obama had won with the help of the russians? would you have just moved on? spanone Nov 2017 #2
Moreover, imagine if the FBI had targeted McCain with their lies and allowed him to portrayed StevieM Nov 2017 #6
I can be cold so i'll say it malaise Nov 2017 #21
👁👃🏽👁 spanone Nov 2017 #22
The rules are now changed Sen McCain delisen Nov 2017 #3
Did anyone tell him to shut up in public? xmas74 Nov 2017 #4
Thanks Sen. McCain ... LenaBaby61 Nov 2017 #5
The guy who was hornswoggled into thinking Sarah Palin had credibilty as a VP candidate? LisaM Nov 2017 #7
Thats a particularly nasty comment doesn't have anything to do ismnotwasm Nov 2017 #8
He never gave the same advice to Palin lame54 Nov 2017 #9
+1 dalton99a Nov 2017 #10
+ 2 VOX Nov 2017 #38
+3 treestar Nov 2017 #51
+1,000,000 InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #53
Do we need a book review from someone who hasn't read the book? Orsino Nov 2017 #11
"The hardest thing to do is to just shut up." Buns_of_Fire Nov 2017 #12
Move On Where? Me. Nov 2017 #13
Hey McCain - Take your own fucking advice! Scoopster Nov 2017 #14
So the "little lady" is supposed to keep quiet when the media, the Hillary haters, the republicans, still_one Nov 2017 #15
Hillary can be and will be attacked everywhere, including here. And we cant do shit about it. Eliot Rosewater Nov 2017 #27
My point Eliot is that Hillary has every right to speak out, especially when others continue to still_one Nov 2017 #30
Agree completely. McCain should know better too. He knows Hillary was Putin's worst Eliot Rosewater Nov 2017 #31
No John McCain isn't a traitor, and I hope he does the right thing like he did with the ACA repeal still_one Nov 2017 #33
The effects of the tax bill and the perception that dumbshit was successful; the harm Eliot Rosewater Nov 2017 #34
"... the 'attacks' Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., leveled at her ..." left-of-center2012 Nov 2017 #16
No, not always. I remember Jesse Jacksons concession speech in 1988 stevenleser Nov 2017 #45
"There was a lot of demagoguery used against Hillary" left-of-center2012 Nov 2017 #54
No, its not. nt stevenleser Nov 2017 #57
I know of two people who wouldn't have voted for her if it weren't for Bernie's plea. nt Snotcicles Nov 2017 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author MrsCoffee Nov 2017 #64
That's really funny. rogue emissary Nov 2017 #17
it's stunningly hypocritical. JHan Nov 2017 #35
I was not aware McCain won the popular vote in 2008 standingtall Nov 2017 #18
The whole Russia/treason thing is unique to Clinton R B Garr Nov 2017 #19
Hillary Clinton doesn't need McCain's approval NastyRiffraff Nov 2017 #20
She won edhopper Nov 2017 #24
That's just patently false... Baconator Nov 2017 #25
What? edhopper Nov 2017 #28
That's not what you said... Baconator Nov 2017 #58
You can't rewrite history. MrsCoffee Nov 2017 #60
I don't think anyone who is looking at it objectively... Baconator Nov 2017 #61
An 18% chance of losing the electoral college. MrsCoffee Nov 2017 #62
I don't think you understand what 18% means... Baconator Nov 2017 #65
I don't think you understand thin margin. MrsCoffee Nov 2017 #66
Ohhh... if only everything had gone perfectly... Baconator Nov 2017 #67
Calls to "move on" are hilarious given that there is currently an investigation JHan Nov 2017 #26
He's absolutely correct. nt woolldog Nov 2017 #29
Move on, Hillary! earthside Nov 2017 #36
A lot of us want her to stick around long after Trump is gone...maybe even behind bars. sadiegirl Nov 2017 #47
,,, lapucelle Nov 2017 #32
seriously tho. JHan Nov 2017 #37
exactly. Mc5planes is treestar Nov 2017 #52
Does he mean "move on" like Al Gore had to "move on" after HIS election was stolen? no_hypocrisy Nov 2017 #39
He hadn't stopped Christmas from coming! It came! ucrdem Nov 2017 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author Jakes Progress Nov 2017 #43
mccain told her to shut up. Yet she persisted. Jakes Progress Nov 2017 #44
Jeez.... Dorian Gray Nov 2017 #46
tell that to Trump eShirl Nov 2017 #48
Irony Alert: McCain isn't taking his own advice, by virtue of speaking WinkyDink Nov 2017 #49
It's not the same in that treestar Nov 2017 #50
A nice little bit of mansplaining. NCTraveler Nov 2017 #55
Shut up and move on while Trump destroys the country? ecstatic Nov 2017 #56
A man who has 6 books to his name, says a woman should STFU mercuryblues Nov 2017 #63

trueblue2007

(17,218 posts)
40. We should be worried about the continued HATCHET JOB against Hillary. WHY THIS THREAD
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 09:54 PM
Nov 2017

MOVE ON and stop harassing and haggling about Hillary Clinton already. These Anti Hill threads don't belong here ?????
Why continue to be so negative about Ms. Clinton?

spanone

(135,832 posts)
2. well johnny, imagine if Obama had won with the help of the russians? would you have just moved on?
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 02:30 PM
Nov 2017

and 'shut up'?

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
6. Moreover, imagine if the FBI had targeted McCain with their lies and allowed him to portrayed
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 02:34 PM
Nov 2017

as a criminal. The GOP, and especially McCain, would be screaming about it forever.

Then again, the Democrats would never have corrupted the FBI the way that the GOP did.

malaise

(268,998 posts)
21. I can be cold so i'll say it
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 05:43 PM
Nov 2017

McCain will be moving on first.
Being terminally ill doesn't give you the right to be a ReTHUG asshole.

delisen

(6,043 posts)
3. The rules are now changed Sen McCain
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 02:32 PM
Nov 2017

We keep analyzing and don't let faux winners write history.

We know know we are in a battle for democracy and human rights and we intend to fight.

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
5. Thanks Sen. McCain ...
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 02:33 PM
Nov 2017

For Man 'splainin on WHY Hillary needs to "move on." "Forget about it." "Sit down and be quite now little lady."

LisaM

(27,811 posts)
7. The guy who was hornswoggled into thinking Sarah Palin had credibilty as a VP candidate?
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 02:42 PM
Nov 2017

No, I don't have to take anything he says seriously. He laid the groundwork for choosing a non-serious person to run for high office.

ismnotwasm

(41,980 posts)
8. Thats a particularly nasty comment doesn't have anything to do
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 02:45 PM
Nov 2017

She’s always been a busy women, and I don’t see that changing.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,175 posts)
12. "The hardest thing to do is to just shut up."
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 02:53 PM
Nov 2017

I trust he's shared this wisdom with the crooked orange baboon in the White House.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
13. Move On Where?
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 02:55 PM
Nov 2017

Another planet?. She hasn't asked to be the subject of so many conversations, mainly negative. You'd think she was president.

Scoopster

(423 posts)
14. Hey McCain - Take your own fucking advice!
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 02:58 PM
Nov 2017

The Republican Party as you know & love it is DEAD, and the final nail in its coffin was this ass-clown president. YOU need to move the fuck on & stop supporting it with your yea votes on anti-executive and anti-judiciary nominees.

still_one

(92,190 posts)
15. So the "little lady" is supposed to keep quiet when the media, the Hillary haters, the republicans,
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 03:19 PM
Nov 2017

and some non-republicans left and right continue to trash and condemn her.

I have one word for these LITTLE PEOPLE:


BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
27. Hillary can be and will be attacked everywhere, including here. And we cant do shit about it.
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 07:47 PM
Nov 2017

The right orchestrated a life long propaganda campaign that worked.

Worked good, real good.

McCain has to vote against the tax deal otherwise go down in history as a pile of shit.

still_one

(92,190 posts)
30. My point Eliot is that Hillary has every right to speak out, especially when others continue to
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 08:37 PM
Nov 2017

distort and misrepresent her, and those calling for her to just go away, are are the worst kind of hypocrites

As for the tax bill, the odds are against us



Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
31. Agree completely. McCain should know better too. He knows Hillary was Putin's worst
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 08:38 PM
Nov 2017

nightmare and they have that in common McCain and HRC.

McCain is an asshole often, but he is not a traitor. He should god damn DO SOMETHING.

Oh, and as I have tweeted to both Hillary and her daughter Chelsea, NEVER stop talking please! There is a REASON certain groups want her to shut up, if everybody else would just think about it for a god damn minute.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
34. The effects of the tax bill and the perception that dumbshit was successful; the harm
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 08:42 PM
Nov 2017

will be so overwhelming we will never recover.

It will also provide even greater coverage for the russians to flip votes, again, next year.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
16. "... the 'attacks' Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., leveled at her ..."
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 04:37 PM
Nov 2017

I'm 71 and have watched many primaries.
Candidates always attack their opponents .

You always say you're the better candidate, and my opponent is "a bum".

Good grief.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
45. No, not always. I remember Jesse Jacksons concession speech in 1988
Tue Nov 28, 2017, 03:31 AM
Nov 2017

Where he paid tribute to Michael Dukakis for not engaging in demagoguery against him.

There was a lot of demagoguery used against Hillary.

Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #16)

rogue emissary

(3,148 posts)
17. That's really funny.
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 05:07 PM
Nov 2017

Coming from a guy that has several memoirs about his family and personal experiences that he has co-written.

standingtall

(2,785 posts)
18. I was not aware McCain won the popular vote in 2008
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 05:12 PM
Nov 2017

I was also not aware that McCain got over it. It's not like he supported every piece of republican obstruction or anything.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
19. The whole Russia/treason thing is unique to Clinton
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 05:13 PM
Nov 2017

and that election cycle and is ongoing. She is not going anywhere. There’s an investigation and it has historical context. She’s not going anywhere, so best get used to it.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
20. Hillary Clinton doesn't need McCain's approval
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 05:41 PM
Nov 2017

I doubt she cares what he thinks. She can write and say what she wants, and too bad if McCain doesn't like it.

edhopper

(33,579 posts)
28. What?
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 08:05 PM
Nov 2017

That she won the popular vote and between voter suppression in key States, the Russians and Comey, Trump squeaked out the electoral college?

That is false?

Baconator

(1,459 posts)
58. That's not what you said...
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 12:41 PM
Nov 2017

You said "She won"...

She had such a thin lead due to a long list of mistakes that all of those things you listed were enough to tip the scales even against someone as despised as Trump...

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
60. You can't rewrite history.
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 01:06 PM
Nov 2017

There was no "thin lead due to a long list of mistakes".

Time had just written an article that she was on the verge of an unbreakable lead. She had an 18% chance of losing the electoral college. The Comey letter almost immediately sank Clinton’s polls. It was the dominant story of the last 10 days of the campaign.

Pretending otherwise is just that. Pretending.

Baconator

(1,459 posts)
61. I don't think anyone who is looking at it objectively...
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 02:05 PM
Nov 2017

... would suggest that Comey and his letter didn't have some effect on the polls.

My point is that her lead was so fragile that any moderate bump in road (which almost always happens) was enough to derail the whole thing.

A better strategy or a stronger candidate would have had enough buffer to take a hit like that against the most disliked candidate in the modern era. Except that his opponent was the second most disliked.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/08/31/poll-clinton-trump-most-unfavorable-candidates-ever/89644296/

Also, you contradict yourself in your own post... An unbreakable lead does not equal 18%. Those aren't even Russian Roullete odds.

Baconator

(1,459 posts)
65. I don't think you understand what 18% means...
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 02:56 PM
Nov 2017

That's a 1 in 5 or 6ish chance of a loss.



People don't understand probability.

Baconator

(1,459 posts)
67. Ohhh... if only everything had gone perfectly...
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 04:45 PM
Nov 2017

... and everyone had lined up in an orderly manner with no ugly dissenting opinions, and no one was mean, and nothing unexpected happened.

That was was the plan and it sucked.

The campaign was vulnerable from day 1 for a multitude of reasons and we shouldn't be too surprised when someone took advantage of it.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
26. Calls to "move on" are hilarious given that there is currently an investigation
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 07:44 PM
Nov 2017

GOING ON looking at 2016's GE.

This is just one more asshat telling Hillary to shut up. It's okay for the "marish and parish" to talk about Russian interference and this godawful administration, but NOT okay for the candidate herself to talk about the trumpster fire.

HillaryEnvy/Hate/Jealousy ,whatever the fuck it is , never fails to make those guilty of it look like morons.

 

sadiegirl

(138 posts)
47. A lot of us want her to stick around long after Trump is gone...maybe even behind bars.
Tue Nov 28, 2017, 07:32 AM
Nov 2017

She has been right about a lot of things. Especially that Trump turned out to be exactly what she said he would be as President. No Hillary, do not move on. MOVE FORWARD!

no_hypocrisy

(46,104 posts)
39. Does he mean "move on" like Al Gore had to "move on" after HIS election was stolen?
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 09:50 PM
Nov 2017

When will the issue of elections being stolen instead of won/lost become the predominant meme?

Response to Baconator (Original post)

Dorian Gray

(13,493 posts)
46. Jeez....
Tue Nov 28, 2017, 07:18 AM
Nov 2017

if you really think this is helpful advice, say it to her privately.

No? You want to say it publicly?

Then you're doing this to score a political point.... nothing more.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
50. It's not the same in that
Tue Nov 28, 2017, 08:18 AM
Nov 2017

McCain did not have a Bernie figure. And he lost the popular vote. And he can write a book if he wants to. People need to quit telling Hillary what to do.

ecstatic

(32,704 posts)
56. Shut up and move on while Trump destroys the country?
Tue Nov 28, 2017, 10:53 AM
Nov 2017

The person McCain lost to brought the country back from the brink of destruction. The person Clinton lost* to is bringing the country to the brink of destruction.




*I'm not convinced that she really lost

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