Mon Nov 27, 2017, 02:26 PM
Baconator (1,459 posts)
McCain To Hillary Clinton: Youve Got To Move On - HuffPo via Yahoo
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., says he understands why Hillary Clinton decided to write her campaign memoir, “What Happened,” which was published in September — 10 months after her brutal election loss to Donald Trump. But McCain, who suffered his own bitter defeat, to Barack Obama, as the Republican nominee in 2008, also knows that “you can’t rewrite history.”
“One of the almost irresistible impulses you have when you lose is to somehow justify why you lost and how you were mistreated: ’I did the right thing! I did!’” McCain told Esquire magazine for a lengthy profile published online Sunday. “The hardest thing to do is to just shut up.” In “What Happened,” Clinton claims that the “attacks” Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., leveled at her during their Democratic primary battle “caused lasting damage,” made it harder to “unify progressives” and paved the way for Trump’s “Crooked Hillary” refrain. “What’s the f***ing point? Keep the fight up?” McCain said of Clinton’s tome. “History will judge that campaign, and it’s always a period of time before they do. You’ve got to move on. This is Hillary’s problem right now: She doesn’t have anything to do.” _______________________ Wow... More at link https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mccain-to-hillary-clinton-youve-got-to-move-on_us_5a1c4a2fe4b0e771d6b7df68?utm_campaign=hp_fb_pages&utm_source=politics_fb&utm_medium=facebook&ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000013§ion=politics
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Baconator | Nov 2017 | OP |
dalton99a | Nov 2017 | #1 | |
crazycatlady | Nov 2017 | #23 | |
trueblue2007 | Nov 2017 | #40 | |
Wiseman32218 | Nov 2017 | #41 | |
spanone | Nov 2017 | #2 | |
StevieM | Nov 2017 | #6 | |
malaise | Nov 2017 | #21 | |
spanone | Nov 2017 | #22 | |
delisen | Nov 2017 | #3 | |
xmas74 | Nov 2017 | #4 | |
LenaBaby61 | Nov 2017 | #5 | |
LisaM | Nov 2017 | #7 | |
ismnotwasm | Nov 2017 | #8 | |
lame54 | Nov 2017 | #9 | |
dalton99a | Nov 2017 | #10 | |
VOX | Nov 2017 | #38 | |
treestar | Nov 2017 | #51 | |
InAbLuEsTaTe | Nov 2017 | #53 | |
Orsino | Nov 2017 | #11 | |
Buns_of_Fire | Nov 2017 | #12 | |
Me. | Nov 2017 | #13 | |
Scoopster | Nov 2017 | #14 | |
still_one | Nov 2017 | #15 | |
Eliot Rosewater | Nov 2017 | #27 | |
still_one | Nov 2017 | #30 | |
Eliot Rosewater | Nov 2017 | #31 | |
still_one | Nov 2017 | #33 | |
Eliot Rosewater | Nov 2017 | #34 | |
left-of-center2012 | Nov 2017 | #16 | |
stevenleser | Nov 2017 | #45 | |
left-of-center2012 | Nov 2017 | #54 | |
stevenleser | Nov 2017 | #57 | |
Snotcicles | Nov 2017 | #59 | |
MrsCoffee | Nov 2017 | #64 | |
rogue emissary | Nov 2017 | #17 | |
JHan | Nov 2017 | #35 | |
standingtall | Nov 2017 | #18 | |
R B Garr | Nov 2017 | #19 | |
NastyRiffraff | Nov 2017 | #20 | |
edhopper | Nov 2017 | #24 | |
Baconator | Nov 2017 | #25 | |
edhopper | Nov 2017 | #28 | |
Baconator | Nov 2017 | #58 | |
MrsCoffee | Nov 2017 | #60 | |
Baconator | Nov 2017 | #61 | |
MrsCoffee | Nov 2017 | #62 | |
Baconator | Nov 2017 | #65 | |
MrsCoffee | Nov 2017 | #66 | |
Baconator | Nov 2017 | #67 | |
JHan | Nov 2017 | #26 | |
woolldog | Nov 2017 | #29 | |
earthside | Nov 2017 | #36 | |
sadiegirl | Nov 2017 | #47 | |
lapucelle | Nov 2017 | #32 | |
JHan | Nov 2017 | #37 | |
treestar | Nov 2017 | #52 | |
no_hypocrisy | Nov 2017 | #39 | |
ucrdem | Nov 2017 | #42 | |
Jakes Progress | Nov 2017 | #43 | |
Jakes Progress | Nov 2017 | #44 | |
Dorian Gray | Nov 2017 | #46 | |
eShirl | Nov 2017 | #48 | |
WinkyDink | Nov 2017 | #49 | |
treestar | Nov 2017 | #50 | |
NCTraveler | Nov 2017 | #55 | |
ecstatic | Nov 2017 | #56 | |
mercuryblues | Nov 2017 | #63 |
Response to Baconator (Original post)
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 02:29 PM
dalton99a (74,338 posts)
1. Will history record McCain as an enabler in America's destruction?
He should worry about that instead
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Response to dalton99a (Reply #1)
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 07:15 PM
crazycatlady (4,492 posts)
23. Well he did give the world Sarah Palin
Response to dalton99a (Reply #1)
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 09:54 PM
trueblue2007 (16,338 posts)
40. We should be worried about the continued HATCHET JOB against Hillary. WHY THIS THREAD
MOVE ON and stop harassing and haggling about Hillary Clinton already. These Anti Hill threads don't belong here ?????
Why continue to be so negative about Ms. Clinton? |
Response to trueblue2007 (Reply #40)
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 09:59 PM
Wiseman32218 (291 posts)
41. Exactly!!!!
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Response to Baconator (Original post)
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 02:30 PM
spanone (133,337 posts)
2. well johnny, imagine if Obama had won with the help of the russians? would you have just moved on?
and 'shut up'?
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Response to spanone (Reply #2)
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 02:34 PM
StevieM (10,438 posts)
6. Moreover, imagine if the FBI had targeted McCain with their lies and allowed him to portrayed
as a criminal. The GOP, and especially McCain, would be screaming about it forever.
Then again, the Democrats would never have corrupted the FBI the way that the GOP did. |
Response to spanone (Reply #2)
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 05:43 PM
malaise (254,388 posts)
21. I can be cold so i'll say it
McCain will be moving on first.
Being terminally ill doesn't give you the right to be a ReTHUG asshole. |
Response to Baconator (Original post)
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 02:32 PM
delisen (5,814 posts)
3. The rules are now changed Sen McCain
We keep analyzing and don't let faux winners write history.
We know know we are in a battle for democracy and human rights and we intend to fight. |
Response to Baconator (Original post)
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 02:33 PM
xmas74 (29,150 posts)
4. Did anyone tell him to shut up in public?
Probably not.
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Response to Baconator (Original post)
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 02:33 PM
LenaBaby61 (6,385 posts)
5. Thanks Sen. McCain ...
For Man 'splainin on WHY Hillary needs to "move on." "Forget about it." "Sit down and be quite now little lady."
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Response to Baconator (Original post)
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 02:42 PM
LisaM (27,102 posts)
7. The guy who was hornswoggled into thinking Sarah Palin had credibilty as a VP candidate?
No, I don't have to take anything he says seriously. He laid the groundwork for choosing a non-serious person to run for high office.
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Response to Baconator (Original post)
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 02:45 PM
ismnotwasm (40,963 posts)
8. Thats a particularly nasty comment doesn't have anything to do
She’s always been a busy women, and I don’t see that changing.
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Response to Baconator (Original post)
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 02:47 PM
lame54 (33,604 posts)
9. He never gave the same advice to Palin
Response to Baconator (Original post)
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 02:52 PM
Orsino (37,428 posts)
11. Do we need a book review from someone who hasn't read the book?
GTFOH, Senator.
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Response to Baconator (Original post)
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 02:53 PM
Buns_of_Fire (16,026 posts)
12. "The hardest thing to do is to just shut up."
I trust he's shared this wisdom with the crooked orange baboon in the White House.
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Response to Baconator (Original post)
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 02:55 PM
Me. (35,169 posts)
13. Move On Where?
Another planet?. She hasn't asked to be the subject of so many conversations, mainly negative. You'd think she was president.
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Response to Baconator (Original post)
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 02:58 PM
Scoopster (423 posts)
14. Hey McCain - Take your own fucking advice!
The Republican Party as you know & love it is DEAD, and the final nail in its coffin was this ass-clown president. YOU need to move the fuck on & stop supporting it with your yea votes on anti-executive and anti-judiciary nominees.
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Response to Baconator (Original post)
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 03:19 PM
still_one (87,267 posts)
15. So the "little lady" is supposed to keep quiet when the media, the Hillary haters, the republicans,
and some non-republicans left and right continue to trash and condemn her.
I have one word for these LITTLE PEOPLE: BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Response to still_one (Reply #15)
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 07:47 PM
Eliot Rosewater (30,154 posts)
27. Hillary can be and will be attacked everywhere, including here. And we cant do shit about it.
The right orchestrated a life long propaganda campaign that worked.
Worked good, real good. McCain has to vote against the tax deal otherwise go down in history as a pile of shit. |
Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #27)
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 08:37 PM
still_one (87,267 posts)
30. My point Eliot is that Hillary has every right to speak out, especially when others continue to
distort and misrepresent her, and those calling for her to just go away, are are the worst kind of hypocrites
As for the tax bill, the odds are against us |
Response to still_one (Reply #30)
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 08:38 PM
Eliot Rosewater (30,154 posts)
31. Agree completely. McCain should know better too. He knows Hillary was Putin's worst
nightmare and they have that in common McCain and HRC.
McCain is an asshole often, but he is not a traitor. He should god damn DO SOMETHING. Oh, and as I have tweeted to both Hillary and her daughter Chelsea, NEVER stop talking please! There is a REASON certain groups want her to shut up, if everybody else would just think about it for a god damn minute. |
Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #31)
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 08:41 PM
still_one (87,267 posts)
33. No John McCain isn't a traitor, and I hope he does the right thing like he did with the ACA repeal
Response to still_one (Reply #33)
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 08:42 PM
Eliot Rosewater (30,154 posts)
34. The effects of the tax bill and the perception that dumbshit was successful; the harm
will be so overwhelming we will never recover.
It will also provide even greater coverage for the russians to flip votes, again, next year. |
Response to Baconator (Original post)
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 04:37 PM
left-of-center2012 (34,195 posts)
16. "... the 'attacks' Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., leveled at her ..."
I'm 71 and have watched many primaries.
Candidates always attack their opponents . You always say you're the better candidate, and my opponent is "a bum". Good grief. ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #16)
Tue Nov 28, 2017, 03:31 AM
stevenleser (32,886 posts)
45. No, not always. I remember Jesse Jacksons concession speech in 1988
Where he paid tribute to Michael Dukakis for not engaging in demagoguery against him.
There was a lot of demagoguery used against Hillary. |
Response to stevenleser (Reply #45)
Tue Nov 28, 2017, 10:43 AM
left-of-center2012 (34,195 posts)
54. "There was a lot of demagoguery used against Hillary"
Yep. That's part of running for political office.
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #54)
Tue Nov 28, 2017, 03:44 PM
stevenleser (32,886 posts)
57. No, its not. nt
Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #16)
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 12:55 PM
Snotcicles (9,089 posts)
59. I know of two people who wouldn't have voted for her if it weren't for Bernie's plea. nt
Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #16)
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Response to Baconator (Original post)
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 05:07 PM
rogue emissary (3,001 posts)
17. That's really funny.
Coming from a guy that has several memoirs about his family and personal experiences that he has co-written.
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Response to rogue emissary (Reply #17)
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 09:02 PM
JHan (10,173 posts)
35. it's stunningly hypocritical.
Response to Baconator (Original post)
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 05:12 PM
standingtall (2,740 posts)
18. I was not aware McCain won the popular vote in 2008
I was also not aware that McCain got over it. It's not like he supported every piece of republican obstruction or anything.
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Response to Baconator (Original post)
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 05:13 PM
R B Garr (16,533 posts)
19. The whole Russia/treason thing is unique to Clinton
and that election cycle and is ongoing. She is not going anywhere. There’s an investigation and it has historical context. She’s not going anywhere, so best get used to it.
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Response to Baconator (Original post)
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 05:41 PM
NastyRiffraff (12,448 posts)
20. Hillary Clinton doesn't need McCain's approval
I doubt she cares what he thinks. She can write and say what she wants, and too bad if McCain doesn't like it.
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Response to Baconator (Original post)
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 07:21 PM
edhopper (30,652 posts)
24. She won
she knows it, McCain knows it. Fuck that move on shit.
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Response to edhopper (Reply #24)
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 07:28 PM
Baconator (1,459 posts)
25. That's just patently false...
Response to Baconator (Reply #25)
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 08:05 PM
edhopper (30,652 posts)
28. What?
That she won the popular vote and between voter suppression in key States, the Russians and Comey, Trump squeaked out the electoral college?
That is false? |
Response to edhopper (Reply #28)
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 12:41 PM
Baconator (1,459 posts)
58. That's not what you said...
You said "She won"...
She had such a thin lead due to a long list of mistakes that all of those things you listed were enough to tip the scales even against someone as despised as Trump... |
Response to Baconator (Reply #58)
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 01:06 PM
MrsCoffee (5,586 posts)
60. You can't rewrite history.
There was no "thin lead due to a long list of mistakes".
Time had just written an article that she was on the verge of an unbreakable lead. She had an 18% chance of losing the electoral college. The Comey letter almost immediately sank Clinton’s polls. It was the dominant story of the last 10 days of the campaign. Pretending otherwise is just that. Pretending. |
Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #60)
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 02:05 PM
Baconator (1,459 posts)
61. I don't think anyone who is looking at it objectively...
... would suggest that Comey and his letter didn't have some effect on the polls.
My point is that her lead was so fragile that any moderate bump in road (which almost always happens) was enough to derail the whole thing. A better strategy or a stronger candidate would have had enough buffer to take a hit like that against the most disliked candidate in the modern era. Except that his opponent was the second most disliked. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/08/31/poll-clinton-trump-most-unfavorable-candidates-ever/89644296/ Also, you contradict yourself in your own post... An unbreakable lead does not equal 18%. Those aren't even Russian Roullete odds. |
Response to Baconator (Reply #61)
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 02:25 PM
MrsCoffee (5,586 posts)
62. An 18% chance of losing the electoral college.
Meaning an 82% chance of winning.
But nice try. |
Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #62)
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 02:56 PM
Baconator (1,459 posts)
65. I don't think you understand what 18% means...
That's a 1 in 5 or 6ish chance of a loss.
People don't understand probability. |
Response to Baconator (Reply #65)
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 04:20 PM
MrsCoffee (5,586 posts)
66. I don't think you understand thin margin.
Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #66)
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 04:45 PM
Baconator (1,459 posts)
67. Ohhh... if only everything had gone perfectly...
... and everyone had lined up in an orderly manner with no ugly dissenting opinions, and no one was mean, and nothing unexpected happened.
That was was the plan and it sucked. The campaign was vulnerable from day 1 for a multitude of reasons and we shouldn't be too surprised when someone took advantage of it. |
Response to Baconator (Original post)
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 07:44 PM
JHan (10,173 posts)
26. Calls to "move on" are hilarious given that there is currently an investigation
GOING ON looking at 2016's GE.
This is just one more asshat telling Hillary to shut up. It's okay for the "marish and parish" to talk about Russian interference and this godawful administration, but NOT okay for the candidate herself to talk about the trumpster fire. HillaryEnvy/Hate/Jealousy ,whatever the fuck it is , never fails to make those guilty of it look like morons. |
Response to Baconator (Original post)
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 08:07 PM
woolldog (8,791 posts)
29. He's absolutely correct. nt
Response to woolldog (Reply #29)
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 09:03 PM
earthside (6,960 posts)
36. Move on, Hillary!
The quicker she fades away the better.
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Response to woolldog (Reply #29)
Tue Nov 28, 2017, 07:32 AM
sadiegirl (138 posts)
47. A lot of us want her to stick around long after Trump is gone...maybe even behind bars.
She has been right about a lot of things. Especially that Trump turned out to be exactly what she said he would be as President. No Hillary, do not move on. MOVE FORWARD!
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Response to lapucelle (Reply #32)
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 09:21 PM
JHan (10,173 posts)
37. seriously tho.
it's hilarious how she gets under people's skin. Poor souls.
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Response to lapucelle (Reply #32)
Tue Nov 28, 2017, 08:19 AM
treestar (81,146 posts)
52. exactly. Mc5planes is
just the latest in a long list.
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Response to Baconator (Original post)
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 09:50 PM
no_hypocrisy (42,136 posts)
39. Does he mean "move on" like Al Gore had to "move on" after HIS election was stolen?
When will the issue of elections being stolen instead of won/lost become the predominant meme?
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Response to Baconator (Original post)
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 11:07 PM
ucrdem (15,502 posts)
42. He hadn't stopped Christmas from coming! It came!
Somehow or other, it came just the same!
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Response to Baconator (Original post)
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Response to Baconator (Original post)
Tue Nov 28, 2017, 03:22 AM
Jakes Progress (11,051 posts)
44. mccain told her to shut up. Yet she persisted.
Response to Baconator (Original post)
Tue Nov 28, 2017, 07:18 AM
Dorian Gray (13,080 posts)
46. Jeez....
if you really think this is helpful advice, say it to her privately.
No? You want to say it publicly? Then you're doing this to score a political point.... nothing more. |
Response to Baconator (Original post)
Tue Nov 28, 2017, 07:36 AM
eShirl (18,122 posts)
48. tell that to Trump
Response to Baconator (Original post)
Tue Nov 28, 2017, 08:02 AM
WinkyDink (51,311 posts)
49. Irony Alert: McCain isn't taking his own advice, by virtue of speaking
of Hillary and her book!
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Response to Baconator (Original post)
Tue Nov 28, 2017, 08:18 AM
treestar (81,146 posts)
50. It's not the same in that
McCain did not have a Bernie figure. And he lost the popular vote. And he can write a book if he wants to. People need to quit telling Hillary what to do.
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Response to Baconator (Original post)
Tue Nov 28, 2017, 10:49 AM
NCTraveler (30,481 posts)
55. A nice little bit of mansplaining.
I've heard similar around here.
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Response to Baconator (Original post)
Tue Nov 28, 2017, 10:53 AM
ecstatic (30,775 posts)
56. Shut up and move on while Trump destroys the country?
The person McCain lost to brought the country back from the brink of destruction. The person Clinton lost* to is bringing the country to the brink of destruction.
*I'm not convinced that she really lost |
Response to Baconator (Original post)
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 02:29 PM
mercuryblues (13,123 posts)
63. A man who has 6 books to his name, says a woman should STFU
and not write a book.
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