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IF you ban guns people will just use knives... (Original Post) Soylent Brice Jul 2012 OP
Just register knives, ramikin Jul 2012 #1
But soon they'll make a bigger board with a nail in it! tridim Jul 2012 #2
Caught in the crossfire of a KNIFE?????? HockeyMom Jul 2012 #3
LMAO. Hoyt Jul 2012 #7
Or knifing seventy people in three minutes. sofa king Jul 2012 #14
Yuk yuk. Or trucks full of fertilizer! Nye Bevan Jul 2012 #4
How about sarin gas? DefenseLawyer Jul 2012 #5
It works to a VERY significant degree... 99Forever Jul 2012 #8
Well thanks. Honestly I have barely made it through life thus far. DefenseLawyer Jul 2012 #10
I'll pass on your ... 99Forever Jul 2012 #15
You'll pass because you can't distinguish them DefenseLawyer Jul 2012 #17
I'll got news for you, Mr"Lawyer"... 99Forever Jul 2012 #20
Ban automatic assault knives. Lint Head Jul 2012 #6
Well, whadda know permatex Jul 2012 #9
Good for you! You've dragged in THAT hoary chestnut...sigh... CTyankee Jul 2012 #11
So instead of ridiculing me permatex Jul 2012 #13
You "think" you are proving something with that chart, which I have seen often and seems to be CTyankee Jul 2012 #21
...or sarcasm. scarletwoman Jul 2012 #12
I've had a gun nut say that to me TlalocW Jul 2012 #16
Amen. Shadowflash Jul 2012 #18
I say TlalocW Jul 2012 #19
Because you can kill 12 and injure 58 in 2 minutes with a knife. Motown_Johnny Jul 2012 #22
I make knives out of oak and poplar that are as deadly as steel. There will always be weapons. HopeHoops Jul 2012 #23
 

ramikin

(20 posts)
1. Just register knives,
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 11:53 AM
Jul 2012

sticks, rocks, bats, pipes, rope, ect. and we can all ride unicorns across the rainbow roads that will magically appear.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
2. But soon they'll make a bigger board with a nail in it!
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 11:56 AM
Jul 2012

And then a bigger one! Bigger boards with bigger nails! And soon they shall make a board
with a nail so big that they shall destroy themselves! Aha! Ahahaha! Mwuhahahahaaa!


sofa king

(10,857 posts)
14. Or knifing seventy people in three minutes.
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 12:39 PM
Jul 2012

The problem, of course, is that there is already a gun for every adult in the U.S. and some thousands or millions of them will remain functional for hundreds of years to come. So any solution has to deal with that unfortunate reality.

They're sort of like herpes. We can try to control the symptoms, but the underlying problem is currently incurable.

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
5. How about sarin gas?
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 12:03 PM
Jul 2012

For the record I'm not a gun nut and I've never owned a gun, but I'm afraid that without changing the culture, banning guns would be as effective as banning drugs.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
8. It works to a VERY significant degree...
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 12:08 PM
Jul 2012

... in civilized societies right here on this planet. I'd suggest not listening to the bullshit NRA propaganda. It is lies to protect their profits and they don't give a flying fig how many innocent people have to die to preserve it.

Fuck the NRA.

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
10. Well thanks. Honestly I have barely made it through life thus far.
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 12:23 PM
Jul 2012

Bumbling along, listening to the NRA and all. We have to change the culture, you can't do that from the top down. The NRA is definitely part of the problem, but for me it's because they continue to push the traditional American "gun culture", not because they stand in the way of your well intentioned but worthless gun ban. When we decided that whiskey was killing people, we didn't change the drinking culture. We banned whiskey. It didn't work. The culture remained and drinking continued. Not only that, the market became more profitable and an even more efficient, though illegal, distribution system sprang up. Stopping gun violence is a long and complicated process. We have 50 years of work to do in social justice, mental health and our culture in general to get a handle on this problem. It's far more complicated than "ban guns" vs. "arm everybody", which is always were the discussion immediately devolves.

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
17. You'll pass because you can't distinguish them
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 12:48 PM
Jul 2012

it's okay. You aren't the only American that prefers simple over complicated whenever possible.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
20. I'll got news for you, Mr"Lawyer"...
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 01:28 PM
Jul 2012

.. extremists on the other side of this are winning and they sure as fuck didn't get there by being "reasonable." if you, your wife, your kids, your grandkids, your friends, your clients have to be slaughtered going about their day to day, completely legal and legitimate lives, THEY DON'T CARE. I've watched attempts at "reasonable weapons laws" get shot down for over 5 decades and I've had my fill. I'm done being "reasonable." So, be "reasonable" and let the insanity continue from those will NEVER be "reasonable" back.

But that must be "too simple" of a concept to grasp.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
11. Good for you! You've dragged in THAT hoary chestnut...sigh...
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 12:25 PM
Jul 2012

and oldie but a goodie in the dreary recitation...

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
21. You "think" you are proving something with that chart, which I have seen often and seems to be
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 02:20 PM
Jul 2012

standard issue for the gun lobby.

But let's say that it is true, and more knives are used in violent attacks for the reason that the "proof" suggests. Knives are simply too inefficient to be used by the James Holmes and the Jared Loughners of our time. Sure, they could go on a rampage with a knife, but they wouldn't cause the mass slaughter, and thus not the notariety and fame that they could cause with the guns. And attacking a mass of people with more than one knife would be pretty difficult, if not impossible.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
12. ...or sarcasm.
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 12:27 PM
Jul 2012
http://orangecow.org/pythonet/sketches/piranha.htm

Vercotti: Doug (takes a drink) Well, I was terrified. Everyone was terrified of Doug. I've seen grown men pull their own heads off rather than see Doug. Even Dinsdale was frightened of Doug.

2nd Interviewer: What did he do?

Vercotti: He used... sarcasm. He knew all the tricks, dramatic irony, metaphor, bathos, puns, parody, litotes and... satire. He was vicious.

Presenter:By a combination of violence and sarcasm, the Piranha brothers by February 1966 controlled London and the Southeast of England. It was in February, though, that Dinsdale made a big mistake.

TlalocW

(15,381 posts)
16. I've had a gun nut say that to me
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 12:46 PM
Jul 2012

I told him it would be good for the country as we would all be in better shape. If everyone was carrying a knife around, and there were a fight, you would have two choices - fight or flight. Either way, your assailant is going to have to work to kill you - either by fighting you with a weapon you also have or chasing after you and then fighting you with a weapon you also have. And then for hunting, when you actually killed a deer or a bear or whatever with just a knife, then you could have some macho bragging rights. Doing it from hundreds of feet away with a gun is weak sauce.

He went away from the conversation convinced I was serious.

TlalocW

Shadowflash

(1,536 posts)
18. Amen.
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 12:54 PM
Jul 2012

Putting some corn or doe scent in a field and shooting a deer from your camouflaged tree stand, when it comes to investigate, is just as much a 'sport' as Napcar.

They're making a left turn!

TlalocW

(15,381 posts)
19. I say
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 01:01 PM
Jul 2012

Hide in a tree and wait for them to come by then drop down and wrestle it to the ground and snap its neck with your bare hands if you're a real man! (Said to the same guy)

TlalocW

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