We Either Have a Machine Gun Ban, or We Don't.

[Junkdrawer]

Last edited Sun Jul 22, 2012, 04:07 PM - Edit history (1)

Those clever NRA types have made it necessary to ban "semi-automatic rifles"...

The above video shows how to convert a Semi-automatic to Full Auto WITH A RUBBER BAND!

Great Work Jerks...

(I now go back to my self-imposed "vacation&quot ...

[aikoaiko]

1. Actually, that may be illegal.

Bump firing is legal, but when a device that involved energy (like a spring or in this case a rubber band) is involved it may not be legal (see Atkins stock for 10/22s). I'd have to look at this more to figure it out.

[Travis_0004]

2. A rubber band is probably illegal.

I believe somebody requested an ATF approval letter asking if one could use a shoelace to bump fire, and the ATF stated that using a shoelace would be illegal, and even advised against possession of shoelaces. Its kind of funny how they rule sometime.

There are bumpstocks made that are ATF approved.

http://www.slidefire.com/downloads/BATFE.pdf

Personally I think bumpstocks are stupid, they waste ammo, and they don't make an active shooter more deadly. They make a gun much less accurate, and more likely to jam.

[obamanut2012]

15. It is -- I called and ask

[Junkdrawer]

23. What gets me....

The video posted is from 2008 and has 300,000 + hits - BEFORE I posted it here.

I found it with a GOOGLE for bump stocks. But for 4 years it sat (and still sits) on You Tube and no "responsible" gun advocate asked to have it taken down.

That's what I meant by "Ya did it to yourselves". Must WE always police you?

[Hoyt]

27. That's problem with semi-autos. They're lethal enoughas is, but can be converted by "militia" types.

Might as well recognize it and do something about it rather than obfuscating, delaying, repeating right wing talking points ad nauseam, etc.

[Junkdrawer]

3. We either have a machine gun ban, or we don't.

The humble rubber band has erased the distinction between "semi-automatic" and "machine gun".

[Junkdrawer]

4. Many will suggest we ban rubber bands.

Nope. No such thing as gun addiction.

[DiverDave]

6. When I was in basic training

we were ordered NOT to tear apart the trigger housings on our M-16 rifles.
And of course we did.
And found out a simple way (without a rubber band, I havnt heard of that one)
I wont tell you what we could do, but it was pretty simple.

I would say it would take 20 minutes to fix it so it would go full on rock and roll.

I havnt bought one and dont plan on it.
But if I do, I might just fix er up.
( If needed for the rev)

[Bandit]

22. If you were in the Service the weapon you were issued was very easy to convert

You just turned the selector switch...Military issued weapons are assault weapons, designed for combat..

[Marinedem]

24. I'm not going to call you a liar,

but I will say that I don't believe you.

The M-16 is a full auto, select fire firearm.

You didn't have to do anything to make it shoot "full on rock and roll. "

Except maybe flip the selector switch. You know. The thing that makes them go auto...

[4th law of robotics]

28. He did say it was very simple

although the fact that it took 20 minutes is a bit concerning.

[DiverDave]

34. From what I understand

the ar-15 has the same sort of selector-
only it will NOT click over to 'auto"
If that IS the case ( and I was told it was)
Then to call me a liar is just stupid.
And also why would the D.I. be so adamant about it?

Um, I really was in the service...

[meaculpa2011]

26. We were given M14s...

in basic. Semi auto only. Long, long time ago.

[Junkdrawer]

7. Needs more eyes, apparently....

Still too many "You gun grabbers confuse semi and full auto just because the rifle LOOKS scary" posts.

[slackmaster]

8. None of the various gimmicks that allow simulated automatic fire are consistent with AIMED fire

It's up to the BATFE to determine whether or not a particular invention qualifies as a "machinegun conversion kit," and on many occasions they have made that determination.

The law IS NOT BROKEN.

[Junkdrawer]

9. He got a pretty tight grouping...

If the law isn't broken, the BATFE is.

[slackmaster]

10. With a low-recoil pistol caliber at 25 yards? That's chickenshit.

What do you think the BATFE should do, Junkdrawer, ban rubber bands?

[Junkdrawer]

11. After the election, WHO EVER WINS, this issue will be addressed. Bipartisan.

NO ONE wants machine guns back on the street.

Here's how it will go down: New manufacture will be stopped - that will take the big money push from the NRA.

Federal buy-back programs will be announced and existing owners will be given time to either obtain a special license or risk a federal felony.

[slackmaster]

12. When rubber band machine guns are outlawed...

[Reasonable_Argument]

13. You are aware

That you can buy honest to god automatic weapons legally today right? You can also buy 40mm grenade launchers and rounds for them, legally (they're classified as a destructive device). You have to jump through some legal hoops for both and both are expensive but they're perfectly legal to own.

[Junkdrawer]

16. EXACTLY what I'm saying....

Those who need or can prove they are responsible will apply for a license that includes a special background check.

[Reasonable_Argument]

17. Those tax stamps (not a license)

Are very restrictive and expensive to obtain. I understand the history behind why the were initially put into place and wouldn't support widening them to semi-automatic rifles.

[slackmaster]

18. We already have that. It's called the National Firearms Act. It's been the law for 78 years.

Read up on it.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/nfa/

[hack89]

14. None of that will happen. Politicians don't have that kind of attention span.

Besides, after the election all attention will be on the economy, taxes and budget cuts. There will be no oxygen for any other issue.

[Junkdrawer]

19. The 1% (aside from gun manufacturers) and the vast majority of the 99% are scared.

Betcha the legislation is written and a bipartisan consensus reached. Obama wouldn't have said what he said yesterday if it wasn't.

[hack89]

20. Considering all those scared people responded by buying more guns

I would not be so sure.

They will tighten up background checks like they did after Va Tech and nothing more.

[Reasonable_Argument]

21. I believe you're correct nt

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29. Wrong forum...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1135

[Marinedem]

25. Well...

When someone figured out how to make crack, they didn't outlaw baking soda.

I love this line of "reasoning".

"Someone did something I don't like, so ban what they did it with for everyone! Prosecute the one guy in a legal gray area? Heavens no. Ban all the guns!"

[Junkdrawer]

30. See Post #11.

[Marinedem]

31. Very well.

NO ONE wants machine guns back on the street.

Where are there machine guns on the streets? Maybe a few some gang bangers have converted illegally here and there. legal machine guns have killed a grand total of 2 people in the past 30 years. One of the killers was a cop. But you already knew about the NFA and the Hughes amendment, didn't you?

Here's how it will go down: New manufacture will be stopped - that will take the big money push from the NRA.

LOL, no, it won't. Machine guns for private purchase have not been made since 1986. The largest sellers in America today are semiautomatic rifles. Surely you don't mean them? They are in everything from home defense, to hunting, to target shooting. Cops use them too. Sorry, but they aren't going anywhere.

Federal buy-back programs will be announced and existing owners will be given time to either obtain a special license or risk a federal felony.

Or not. Based on what, other than wishful thinking and pipe dreams? Sorry, you lost absolutely all credibility on that one.

[Junkdrawer]

33. The NRA is lord-almighty - until the sleeping giants awake...

Shhh. I think I hear yawning....

[Remmah2]

32. From a technical perspective, that's a bad idea.

With the AR-platform/design, sooner or later a round will fire on an semi-open chamber and he'll get an eyefull of brass. Probably wreck his rifle too. He's a dumbass and is flirting with Darwin.