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greyl

(22,990 posts)
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 01:12 AM Dec 2017

Theory: When 45 said what sounds like "this rusher story", during the Holt interview in which he

admitted obstructing justice, that pronunciation was the initial split-second product of his intent to deceive, feigning ignorance.
In other words, "I'm so distant from and know so little about Russia, that I'm not even familiar with how to pronounce it. Rusher? What? Russia?"

That reflex pronunciation of his has bothered me for while.

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Eyeball_Kid

(7,431 posts)
3. Some New Yorkers place an "R" on the end some words. I remember this from the 1960s.
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 01:21 AM
Dec 2017

I had some teachers who were from New York and the northeast.

greyl

(22,990 posts)
4. But not Donald in this case. I've never heard him pronounce it that way ever again.
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 01:23 AM
Dec 2017

Nail in the box, is that he pronounced it correctly for the rest of the interview.

NanceGreggs

(27,814 posts)
5. It's true.
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 01:52 AM
Dec 2017

I'm from Brooklyn. Many of my family and friends did it when they wanted to sound less NY, and more intellectual. But it was only used in certain situations - like a job interview, making a speech - never in normal conversation.

greyl

(22,990 posts)
6. It's true that most New Yorker's pronounce Russia as Rusher?
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 02:02 AM
Dec 2017

Or just Brooklyn?

Edit: Seriously, nobody says "rusher" meaning "Russia", like 45 did in that interview. If I see/hear another example, I'll retract.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
7. With some accents, a word ending in a vowel, followed by a word starting in a vowel,
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 02:13 AM
Dec 2017

elicits an "R" sound between the words. I don't know why, but "Russia is a country" comes out "Russia r is a country", while "America consists of 50 states" has no "R" inserted. Depending on the pacing, the "R" seems to one word or the other, usually the first.

My guess is that in the context you heard it, the next word started with a vowel.

To my Midwest ears, the extra "R" sounds odd.

ecstatic

(32,701 posts)
11. Bernie says Rusher and Chiner, which grates on my ears
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 02:41 AM
Dec 2017

He's from Brooklyn, but so am I, and I don't know anyone else who does that.

NanceGreggs

(27,814 posts)
15. No, most NYers don't ...
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 03:33 AM
Dec 2017

... but many do. And as I said, it's only in certain situations.

I was with a NY friend who was making phone calls about getting a teaching job here in Toronto.

His name was Battaglia. I kept hearing him introduce himself as Matt "Battaglier". His wife and I couldn't stop laughing. He never did that unless he was in a situation where he wanted to impress.

Some NYers, who never pronounce the "R" where there actually is one at the end of a word, will pronounce it clearly in the same types of situation; e.g. people who normally say "winta" to describe a cold season will say "winter" - the "R" sound as clear as a bell.

I don't recall any Manhattanites doing it - but it was prevalent among my family and friends in Brooklyn and Queens.

greyl

(22,990 posts)
16. Thanks for that. Funny, an * Battaglia was a friend of mine in the late seventies.
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 03:38 AM
Dec 2017

When we were about 10 - 11. Baltimore.

Stinky The Clown

(67,798 posts)
10. The Kennedy's accent often added an R sound to the end of words ending in vowels
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 02:29 AM
Dec 2017

There is most famous example in JFK's and RFK's pronunciation of "Cubar" for Cuba.

I agree that the "Russier" from Trump in that interview sounded odd (for him) but it isn't all that unusual in comment speech in his part of the world. I'm a New Englander and it is very common to hear in certain areas and not unusual generally.

I also agree that it is quite likely,in his case, in that interview, a tell that he was lying.

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