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Trump, his staff, Republican Leaders and Media personalities know that Russia threw the election to (Original Post) stevenleser Dec 2017 OP
Yup, yup yup Farmer-Rick Dec 2017 #1
Agree with your first part. However, it invalidates your second part. stevenleser Dec 2017 #2
You don't think Putin's anti-Muslim/anti-Hispanic propaganda .99center Dec 2017 #5
You mean Trump ,and nope. nt stevenleser Dec 2017 #6
Just Trump? .99center Dec 2017 #7
That one was just Trump. Russia's main job was not amplifying racial divisions stevenleser Dec 2017 #8
Really? How do you know? Farmer-Rick Dec 2017 #11
You are asking for an amplification on something I didnt say stevenleser Dec 2017 #12
Well, possibly, but since we really do not have a good handle on exactly what Farmer-Rick Dec 2017 #10
No greeny2323 Dec 2017 #3
Well, you repeated the line from the White House attorney pretty well. stevenleser Dec 2017 #4
If you look at statements that have been coming from Wellstone ruled Dec 2017 #9

Farmer-Rick

(10,249 posts)
1. Yup, yup yup
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 11:13 PM
Dec 2017

Trump would never have won a fair election.

You can tell he cheated because it is very rare, and very difficult, to win the electoral votes but NOT win the popular vote. It's an almost guarantee the vote was rigged.

So don't blame the far left, the Bernie voters, Green party voters or absent voters. It was rigged by little Putin and the GOP.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
2. Agree with your first part. However, it invalidates your second part.
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 11:15 PM
Dec 2017

The Russian interference worked because it was aimed at "far left, the Bernie voters, Green party voters or absent voters." who in enough numbers decided to believe it rather than support the Democratic nominee.

.99center

(1,237 posts)
5. You don't think Putin's anti-Muslim/anti-Hispanic propaganda
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 11:34 PM
Dec 2017

Had any impact on conservative Democrats in the rust belt?

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
8. That one was just Trump. Russia's main job was not amplifying racial divisions
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 11:48 PM
Dec 2017

Russia's main job was trying to divide the Democratic party.

Farmer-Rick

(10,249 posts)
11. Really? How do you know?
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 09:59 PM
Dec 2017

Since there is no real investigation into what they did and the corporate media is constantly saying that Putin's meddling did not affect the outcome of the vote (which tells me it probobly did), I am just not sure of anything about that election.

But if you have some evidence about Putin stopping short of rigging votes please share. I am being serious. I missed a lot of the information that came out in the early days.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
12. You are asking for an amplification on something I didnt say
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 10:09 PM
Dec 2017

I never said that Russia didn’t rig actual votes.

Farmer-Rick

(10,249 posts)
10. Well, possibly, but since we really do not have a good handle on exactly what
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 09:53 PM
Dec 2017

Putin's spies did to our election, it's kind of a difficult to argue that any opinions or votes affected it.

 

greeny2323

(590 posts)
3. No
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 11:17 PM
Dec 2017

It is extremely unlikely she's claiming to know that Russia threw the election to Trump.

She's claiming that Obama is boxing them in because if they object to the sanctions it might make people wonder if there was a quid pro quo. She's also saying that Obama might have further evidence on Russia and that he might be leading Trump into a trap (where Trump says nice things about Russia and then, bam!, Obama releases some direct evidence).

She's not claiming in this email that she knows Russia helped them win the election.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
4. Well, you repeated the line from the White House attorney pretty well.
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 11:27 PM
Dec 2017

Except no one should buy that.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
9. If you look at statements that have been coming from
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 12:38 AM
Dec 2017

Clapper and Hayden in recent days,something is about to pop. These two Gent's have had the real evidence as to what was said between The Trump Crime Syndicate and Russia or Russian Agents. With each badgering of these fellows by Trump or his spokes people,a little tid bit come forward.

BTW,Pompeo said that none of the Voting Machines has ever been physically checked to see if they had been manipulated in anyway. My guess is,most of these machines have now been sold as scrap. Which a few showed up at a Hackers conference he in Vegas some months back. Bought on E-Bay for few bucks.

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