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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPelosi votes no to impeach tRump.
Why!?! If we can't agree on this we are doomed!
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/12/06/top-house-democrats-now-not-time-impeach-president-trump/927625001/
BannonsLiver
(16,375 posts)You're losing me Nancy.
Joe941
(2,848 posts)SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)Polly Hennessey
(6,796 posts)is successful in his efforts to get rid of Pelosi.
BannonsLiver
(16,375 posts)yesterday was a day of deep disappointment. That being said, I wouldn't object to efforts to push Pelosi aside.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)SummerSnow, what is the origin of your hostility to Pelosi? Would you know her name and despise her if if she weren't one of our most important, valuable people?
Pelosi is greatly admired by her colleagues, who chose her to head their house caucus and rechose her again and again. She has risen higher than other woman in American elective office because she's very, very good at what she does.
Would you want to get rid of her if the Republicans, the extreme right and kleptocrat billionaires, the anti-Democrat left, and the Russians weren't telling you you should? Because that's who need her out. Same people who fed the same kinds of lies about Hillary to the same people for the same reason:
The battle for power between the dark forces of the right and the Democratic Party for the future of our nation. There is no other army fighting to save our progressive democracy. We're IT.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Is ANYBODY on the side of the vast majority of the American public???? FML!
Al Franken gets railroaded out of his Senate seat and the Pussy-grabber in chief has full approval/protection from the democratic party??????????
WTF is going on!?
BSdetect
(8,998 posts)Total delusion on their part.
Docreed2003
(16,858 posts)onenote
(42,700 posts)makes more sense than pursuing Al Green's nonsense resolution.
See post #17 for more detail.
Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)She has GOT to go!
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)We said this the other day about the fallout from Conyers -- and had our post banned. Wonder what will happen to this one......
(Just in case the lurkers are seeking revenge for calling out the obvious, again -- we are not saying Pelosi needs to go now -- but other folks are.....)
bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)John Fugelsang nailed this months ago.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)Trump may NOT be eligible for impeachment. It appears he was hacked into the White House by Russia and our strongest ally Israel. He will most likely be indicted and arrested (removed from the WH) under the Espionage Act.
onenote
(42,700 posts)underthematrix
(5,811 posts)18 U.S. Code Chapter 37 - ESPIONAGE AND CENSORSHIP
US Code
Notes
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§ 791 - Repealed. Pub. L. 87369, § 1, Oct. 4, 1961, 75 Stat. 795]
§ 792 - Harboring or concealing persons
§ 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information
§ 794 - Gathering or delivering defense information to aid foreign government
§ 795 - Photographing and sketching defense installations
§ 796 - Use of aircraft for photographing defense installations
§ 797 - Publication and sale of photographs of defense installations
§ 798 - Disclosure of classified information
§ 798A - Temporary extension of section 794
§ 799 - Violation of regulations of National Aeronautics and Space Administration
Lochloosa
(16,064 posts)Sometimes you have to vote no, if you are sure it's going to lose, in order to bring something back up.
Parliamentary rules are a pain in the ass sometimes.
I'm not saying this is the case here.
longship
(40,416 posts)It happens in the US Senate all the time. Not sure about the House, but it's likely they have similar procedural rules.
Any DU experts here?
Lochloosa
(16,064 posts)onenote
(42,700 posts)It was a vote that aligned with the votes of more than 2/3 of the Democratic caucus.
And it was the correct vote (See post #17).
SoCalMusicLover
(3,194 posts)She Wanted to vote way she did
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,854 posts)Said Poindexter sarcastically.
However, it is forbidden to criticize Nancy Pelosi or suggest she might consider a nice retirement. Clearly a case of the devil you know.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Theres no hard evidence at this point.
Once Mueller is done with his investigation, then we should pursue.
FSogol
(45,484 posts)obnoxiousdrunk
(2,910 posts)Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)ecstatic
(32,701 posts)to be in control of our nuclear arsenal. That much is clear on a daily basis. Now he's slurring his fucking words. Even without the Russia issue we are in danger!
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)ecstatic
(32,701 posts)Although that's supposedly the norm now.
Re: high crimes and misdemeanors
Officials accused of high crimes and misdemeanors were accused of offenses as varied as misappropriating government funds, appointing unfit subordinates, not prosecuting cases, not spending money allocated by Parliament, promoting themselves ahead of more deserving candidates, threatening a grand jury, disobeying an order from Parliament, arresting a man to keep him from running for Parliament, losing a ship by neglecting to moor it, helping suppress petitions to the King to call a Parliament, granting warrants without cause, and bribery. Some of these charges were crimes. Others were not.
The very difficult case of impeaching someone in the House of Representatives and removing that person in the Senate by a vote of two-thirds majority in the Senate was meant to be the check to balance against efforts to easily remove people from office for minor reasons that could easily be determined by the standard of "high crimes and misdemeanors". It was George Mason who offered up the term "high crimes and misdemeanors" as one of the criteria to remove public officials who abuse their office. Their original intentions can be gleaned by the phrases and words that were proposed before, such as "high misdemeanor", "maladministration", or "other crime". Edmund Randolf said impeachment should be reserved for those who "misbehave". Cotesworth Pinkney said, It should be reserved "...for those who behave amiss, or betray their public trust." As can be seen from all these references to "high crimes and misdemeanors", there is no concrete definition for the term, except to allow people to remove an official for office for subjective reasons entirely.
Alexander Hamilton said, "...those offences which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust. They are of a nature which may with peculiar propriety be denominated political, as they relate chiefly to injuries done immediately to the society itself."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_crimes_and_misdemeanors#United_States
By the originally intended standard, we have more than enough infractions. Failure to divest from companies, profiting off his office, lying everyday, bringing down the image of the United States, fighting with allies, stoking racial tension, bragging about sexual assault, appointing at least 10 unfit people to crucial positions,
onenote
(42,700 posts)Which explains why 125 other Democrats joined her in voting in favor of the motion to table Rep. Green's utterly lame impeachment resolution while only 58 voted against the motion. More Democrats on the Judiciary Committee, including Reps. Nadler, Lofgren, and Jeffries, supported tabling the resolution than opposed the motion.
Why? Well, for one thing, if one wants to undercut the Mueller investigation, starting impeachment proceedings while he's still investigating is a pretty good way to do so. For another thing, it was a particularly stupid impeachment resolution. Did it seek to impeach Trump for collusion with the Russians? For obstruction of justice? For any particular acts of corruption or violation of the emoluments clause?
No. It sought to impeach Trump for "sowing discord among the people of the United States" and for bring "disrepute, ridicule and disgrace on the Presidency" and for acting "in a matter antithetical to the cause of a just society."
Do I think Trump has done all of those things? Yes.
Do I think those things are impeachable offenses -- and that the public in general would ever get behind an effort to impeach for those things? Not. A. Chance.
Symbolic gestures may have a point sometimes. Stupid ones never do.
Lochloosa
(16,064 posts)mvd
(65,173 posts)The drumbeat has started and will only get louder. Of course I would vote to impeach right now. There's a ton of stuff already that is worse than what Clinton did.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)Kimchijeon
(1,606 posts)....oh wait, no that was when the lynch mob used it as the excuse to shoot ourselves in the head with Franken.
Best not to put your neck out there and make yourself a target, let's just uh, "wait" and maybe fascism will stop all by itself!!
LOL
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)ecstatic
(32,701 posts)Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)Kimchijeon
(1,606 posts)And duly noted
Sanity Claws
(21,847 posts)That is the only possible explanation I could think of.
onecaliberal
(32,854 posts)Bettie
(16,101 posts)I am absolutely positive that Pelosi's first statement will be "impeachment is off the table".
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)The 'right time' to call for Dumpf's impeachment will never get here!
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)What do you expect from this reactionary?
bdamomma
(63,849 posts)when he decides to launch missiles at the North Korea???? Let me keep quiet, I am upset enough today.
onenote
(42,700 posts)Something that isn't opposed by more than two out of three Democratic members of the House?
bdamomma
(63,849 posts)So Nancy the "urgent over due priorities" now is to put impeachment on the table. Unless you are waiting for 2018 election while the Russians/ Repigs steal that election too.
Geez, listen to the American People!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We have a sick bastard in the WH. Stop assuming what the American people need this is what we want to get him out.
arthritisR_US
(7,288 posts)RandiFan1290
(6,232 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)She did vote to table the resolution ... which yes, in effect, killed it.
But do you even know what the articles were in the resolution? The two articles were ...
1) Associating the Presidency "with white nationalism, neo-Nazism, and hate."
2) Accusing tRump of "inciting hatred and hostility" including badly handling transgendered troops and Puerto Rico
And that's it, seriously. There was nothing about collusion with Russia. There was nothing about him not divesting himself of his business interests and profiting off the Presidency. There was nothing about his sexual assault or harassment.
This was seriously a joke of a resolution and I'm surprised it got as much backing as it did.
ananda
(28,859 posts)It's just amazing to me that they don't understand
that the great majority of people want them to fight
45 and the rightwing machine, including the trolls
who targeted Franken!!!!!!
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)"The Dems are just worthless these days!" <------ #FYI -- we are calling out the hypocrisy only and we DO NOT THINK the same.
MFM008
(19,808 posts)Impeachment will be far more difficult to ignore with a bunch of new fire breathing democrats coming into
Congress.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)bluedigger
(17,086 posts)I guess that leaves us with thoughts and prayers, then. Those always work well.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Then the republicans will get down to their holy grail...the destruction of Social Security/Medicaid/Medicare.
Will it be time to call for Dump's impeachment then??
Probably not.
helpisontheway
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