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womanofthehills

(8,703 posts)
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 06:48 PM Dec 2017

Former Minnesota Republican Governor Arne Carlson - And Justice for All (Al Franken)

Recent events have brought to mind some terrifying days I experienced growing up in the Bronx. As a 6th grader, I was painfully shy with a pronounced stammer.

One day, two uniformed policemen came into the classroom, looked around, and pointed to me while declaring, “We want that boy.”

(see article for rest of story)


While I am not always in agreement with Senator Al Franken, I firmly believe in due process which is a cornerstone of our democratic way of living. Whenever in history we abandoned it, we severely damaged ourselves. Just think about the lynching of Blacks in the South, the internment of people of Japanese descent in World War II, or the era of McCarthyism when lives were destroyed based solely on allegations.

The simple fact is that Al Franken has been the Senate’s most effective challenge to Trump and his subordinates. The possibility of any rigging by Roger Stone and his associates should cause all of us to call for a rescinding of the Franken resignation and a prompt and thorough review of all allegations by the Senate Ethics Committee.




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Former Minnesota Republican Governor Arne Carlson - And Justice for All (Al Franken) (Original Post) womanofthehills Dec 2017 OP
K & R for visibility bench scientist Dec 2017 #1
So powerful. Bravo! riverwalker Dec 2017 #2
Read it and weep! Mme. Defarge Dec 2017 #3
Amazing post. Just WOW! We should all send it to the gang of 33. i especially like Amaryllis Dec 2017 #4
K & R a million times cp Dec 2017 #5
K and R BadgerMom Dec 2017 #6
Excellent. OnDoutside Dec 2017 #7
Yes! Big K&R mountain grammy Dec 2017 #8
I hope major media can distribute this. Owl Dec 2017 #9
Awesome! dhol82 Dec 2017 #10
Thank you, Gov Carlson! ananda Dec 2017 #11
Wow! Alliepoo Dec 2017 #12
How sad that Arne has a clearer understanding of the issues than some Democrats do. mn9driver Dec 2017 #13
Mrs. Geardaddy sat next to him on flight back from Florida geardaddy Dec 2017 #28
Why didn't Senate Dems call for due process? Martin Eden Dec 2017 #14
Yep. I had to look up if this guy actually was a Republican. LisaL Dec 2017 #15
In the past, Minnesota Republicans were basically normal decent people - I can prove it nadine_mn Dec 2017 #35
+10,0000 He is zentrum Dec 2017 #16
wow wallyworld2 Dec 2017 #17
Well, this is something I wasn't expecting. He's establishment, I guess? Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #18
He's not establishment geardaddy Dec 2017 #29
Thanks. Interesting. The man has chutzpah. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #37
This can be both true and strategic... tandem5 Dec 2017 #19
A voice from the days when moderate Republicans existed. BlueWI Dec 2017 #20
A Republican who has the nerve that Gillibrand and her lynch mob lacks..... ollie10 Dec 2017 #21
Gillibrand is dead to me. MrModerate Dec 2017 #24
Thank you, this is 100% correct. lark Dec 2017 #22
I agree with the former Republican Governor (shockingly) . . . MrModerate Dec 2017 #23
K&R... spanone Dec 2017 #25
K & R for Arne! geardaddy Dec 2017 #26
Kickin' with gusto! Faux pas Dec 2017 #27
woah... When you got the Meanest Man Ever Elected MN Governor on you... TygrBright Dec 2017 #30
K&R. dchill Dec 2017 #31
A hearty K & R! Lifelong Protester Dec 2017 #32
K&R UCmeNdc Dec 2017 #33
Agree 100%! K&R dae Dec 2017 #34
Gee maybe Al should switch to Republican! LiberalLovinLug Dec 2017 #36

Mme. Defarge

(8,028 posts)
3. Read it and weep!
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 06:59 PM
Dec 2017

“And now we have the supreme insult of New York Senator Schumer “advising” Governor Dayton on how to pick a successor. That is a certainty for GOP advertising in 2018.”

Amaryllis

(9,524 posts)
4. Amazing post. Just WOW! We should all send it to the gang of 33. i especially like
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 07:09 PM
Dec 2017

that he mentions Roger Stone, and points out what the political motivation could be.

Alliepoo

(2,217 posts)
12. Wow!
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 08:07 PM
Dec 2017

K & R a zillion times. Fantastic article! Hope it’s spread far and wide, and that Senator Franken sees it and reconsiders his plan to resign. Thanks for sharing this.

mn9driver

(4,425 posts)
13. How sad that Arne has a clearer understanding of the issues than some Democrats do.
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 08:08 PM
Dec 2017

He was a decent, old school Republican. He wouldn’t be electable in the modern GOP.

Franken’s defenestration by fellow Democrats is turning into a true disaster.

geardaddy

(24,929 posts)
28. Mrs. Geardaddy sat next to him on flight back from Florida
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 12:03 PM
Dec 2017

to MSP. She said he was un-apologetically anti-Bush (this was when * was POTUS). He is a very interesting person to talk to.

Martin Eden

(12,864 posts)
14. Why didn't Senate Dems call for due process?
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 08:17 PM
Dec 2017

Something is wrong when a Republican sounds like a paragon of fairness compared to our own.

nadine_mn

(3,702 posts)
35. In the past, Minnesota Republicans were basically normal decent people - I can prove it
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 02:45 PM
Dec 2017

Way way way back in the 90's, I was with a group of college Dems. I was the co-chair of my school's (University of Minnesota Morris) Young Democrats and a bunch of us from across the state road-tripped in 15 passenger van the summer of Clinton's first term.

Hands down that trip was such a freaking horror story - every state we had some shit happen, culminating in being stranded in a rural Pennsylvania truck stop with a broken U-Haul and a few of us (for once not me) deciding that was a good time to talk politics with a bunch of rednecks while waiting for AAA.

We incurred a lot of fees (including backing into our own U-Haul - like jack knifing - with the rental van). So like any good college kids we did what we did best - we hit up our state representatives for $$ to make the trip back home. I got to meet Paul Wellstone (amazing).

Even though we were clearly labeled "Young Democrats", we were politically awestruck enough to be excited to meet both the Dems and Republicans, and shameless enough to ask both for $$. After hearing our tale of woe (magically our 20 hr trip got longer with each telling, but the actual incidents remained the same), Senator Dave Durenburger (R) laughed and helped us out. He was pretty cool.



Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
18. Well, this is something I wasn't expecting. He's establishment, I guess?
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 08:47 PM
Dec 2017

This is spot on. Franken was railroaded, and it was possibly orchestrated. And he didn't grope or harass anyone. The whole thing stinks to high heaven.

tandem5

(2,072 posts)
19. This can be both true and strategic...
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 09:02 PM
Dec 2017

on the part of the Republicans. Tweeden has some obvious credibility issues and if she were, in any way, a part of a setup then the ultimate goal wouldn't simply be to take out Franken, but to ultimately discredit the #metoo movement altogether. They would have no qualms about selling her out. I think they would prefer that we take the lead in pointing out the obvious holes in her account, but if it doesn't happen on their schedule they'll take the lead. So it should give you pause when the likes of Newt Gingrich and Ari Fleischer suddenly come to Franken's defense.


 

ollie10

(2,091 posts)
21. A Republican who has the nerve that Gillibrand and her lynch mob lacks.....
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 08:20 AM
Dec 2017

See? It isn't that hard to be brave. The sky doesn't part and thunder bolts hit you in the head.

Gillibrand is soooooo very timid. Won't ask Trump to resign. Shudders in fear and throws Franken under the bus. Chicken Little for President!!!!

Gillibrand For President: Worse Than A Republican!

 

MrModerate

(9,753 posts)
24. Gillibrand is dead to me.
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 11:38 AM
Dec 2017

If she ever had something worthwhile to say, it's not worthwhile anymore.

lark

(23,099 posts)
22. Thank you, this is 100% correct.
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 10:37 AM
Dec 2017

What are the Dems afraid of, the truth, that Franken is innocent of harassment and they acted like idiots?

 

MrModerate

(9,753 posts)
23. I agree with the former Republican Governor (shockingly) . . .
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 11:37 AM
Dec 2017

Franken should rescind his offer to resign.

geardaddy

(24,929 posts)
26. K & R for Arne!
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 12:00 PM
Dec 2017

He was the best Republican governor MN ever had. I never voted for him, but he was from the IR (Independent Republican) party.

TygrBright

(20,759 posts)
30. woah... When you got the Meanest Man Ever Elected MN Governor on you...
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 12:45 PM
Dec 2017

...you might wanna sit up and take notice.

"VETO MAN comes out to poke Democratic Party over stupid mistake" ain't a headline that'll play well at the State Convention, yanno?

"GOVERNOR NO! says "F*** this s***, Franken got railroaded" is one of those subheads editors consider with regretful shakes of the head.

Yep, giving GOP solons a chance to point out that Democrats fucked up in stuff as fundamental as due process, transparency, and loyalty is a real low-water mark for our Party.

Thanks, you idiots.

wearily,
Bright

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
36. Gee maybe Al should switch to Republican!
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 03:29 PM
Dec 2017

They support him more than Democrats.







I'm joking of course. Just angry.

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