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Omaha Steve

(99,618 posts)
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 01:59 PM Mar 2015

$4 million in gold stolen from truck in North Carolina

Source: AP-Excite

By MICHAEL BIESECKER

RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) — Authorities in eastern North Carolina say armed robbers stole $4 million in gold from a truck traveling on Interstate 95 from Florida to Massachusetts.

The Wilson County Sheriff's Office said Monday the two security guards working for Transvalue Inc. of Miami reported pulling to the side of the interstate on Sunday evening after their vehicle began having mechanical problems.

They were then approached by three armed men driving a white van who ordered the guards to lie on the ground, tied their hands behind their backs and then marched them into nearby woods. Authorities say the male suspects then unloaded barrels filled with gold and made their getaway.

FULL short story at link.


Read more: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20150302/us--gold_truck_robbery-3f984cb4ed.html

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$4 million in gold stolen from truck in North Carolina (Original Post) Omaha Steve Mar 2015 OP
Yipes... Agschmid Mar 2015 #1
They broke the golden rule! Major Nikon Mar 2015 #2
Sounds a bit ... coincidental ... that they happened to have vehicle trouble and some petronius Mar 2015 #3
Gee, ya think? DFW Mar 2015 #5
the guards might not have anything to do with it Marrah_G Mar 2015 #10
Yup though it certainly does sound like an inside job at the least cstanleytech Mar 2015 #22
Very true, and you're right - the best part is no one was injured petronius Mar 2015 #39
Yep. I'd love to be a fly on the wall in this investigation. KeepItReal Mar 2015 #11
You must be a conspiracy theorist for stating the obvious! valerief Mar 2015 #24
Is that the shipment that came through Mayberry? Kingofalldems Mar 2015 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author wolfie001 Mar 2015 #6
139 lbs of gold would fit in a shoe box SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #7
I was going by the 1800 per ounce wolfie001 Mar 2015 #9
But how many barrels would they have to unload to fill a shoe box? Orrex Mar 2015 #17
A ton of gold is 14.122 inches by 14.122 inches by 14.122 inches. happyslug Mar 2015 #19
Yeah, but... Orrex Mar 2015 #21
Dry Barrels in the US is about 26 Gallons, a US Oil Barrel is 42 Gallons, Beer is 31 gallons happyslug Mar 2015 #29
Right. I know that. However... Orrex Mar 2015 #30
The fineness depends on the type of gold coin Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #40
So is gold transported around the country often? jwirr Mar 2015 #8
Gold in varies amounts is transported all the time as it has many uses from electronics to jewelry. cstanleytech Mar 2015 #23
I wonder when the truck was tampered with In_The_Wind Mar 2015 #12
Maybe the robbers have been watching too much Lesley Stahl. mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2015 #14
Anything is possible. In_The_Wind Mar 2015 #16
Or just sugar in the engine. happyslug Mar 2015 #20
Diluted pancake syrup mixed with some sort of oil to thin it would cstanleytech Mar 2015 #25
directed microwaves AngryAmish Mar 2015 #35
Maybe they were late on the payments and the bank pulled the plug. Orrex Mar 2015 #31
Stranger things may have happened due to those kill-systems. In_The_Wind Mar 2015 #32
Me, I'm betting on some Maximum Overdrive-style alien activity Orrex Mar 2015 #33
I think you've solved the crime. In_The_Wind Mar 2015 #34
Couldn't possibly be an inside job. Gold transporting trucks notadmblnd Mar 2015 #13
barrels? phantom power Mar 2015 #15
They dont convert all gold to bars. cstanleytech Mar 2015 #37
I am thinking Munificence Mar 2015 #18
Stealing barrels of gold? Must be a Leprechaun Gang! nt valerief Mar 2015 #26
Goldfinger did it... Playinghardball Mar 2015 #27
Didn't I see a documentary of this rock Mar 2015 #28
Inside job KG Mar 2015 #36
Was the truck armored? rocktivity Mar 2015 #38
UPDATE: I've heard of "inside" jobs, rocktivity Mar 2015 #41

petronius

(26,602 posts)
3. Sounds a bit ... coincidental ... that they happened to have vehicle trouble and some
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 02:09 PM
Mar 2015

well-prepared armed robbers happened to be driving by. My inner amateur detective is smelling an inside job...

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
10. the guards might not have anything to do with it
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 02:23 PM
Mar 2015

Someone else might have messed with the truck. I am glad nothing happened to the guards.

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
22. Yup though it certainly does sound like an inside job at the least
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 04:16 PM
Mar 2015

so they will probably be investigating who last did any maintenance on the vehicle because odds are if it was sabotaged that it was done then.

petronius

(26,602 posts)
39. Very true, and you're right - the best part is no one was injured
Tue Mar 3, 2015, 01:34 AM
Mar 2015

But I'm putting my bet (in $20 gold coins) on it being someone in the company with legitimate access to the truck - whether from the driver's seat, the maintenance bay, or the parking lot...

KeepItReal

(7,769 posts)
11. Yep. I'd love to be a fly on the wall in this investigation.
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 02:27 PM
Mar 2015

Where was the truck stored and who had access to it prior to the trip?

Did the robbers wear masks? If not, why did they leave live witnesses who could ID them?

How would they possibly know the timing, route and contents of the truck?


I've been watching too much "Luther".

Kingofalldems

(38,454 posts)
4. Is that the shipment that came through Mayberry?
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 02:10 PM
Mar 2015

Barney Fife must have blabbed about it and the robbers had easy pickings.

Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

wolfie001

(2,227 posts)
9. I was going by the 1800 per ounce
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 02:17 PM
Mar 2015

I just checked it and it's 1250 or so. That adds more poundage. My bad.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
19. A ton of gold is 14.122 inches by 14.122 inches by 14.122 inches.
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 04:01 PM
Mar 2015

Thus a normal shoe box is 12 inches by 6 inches x 6 inches or 432 Cubic Inches.

http://www.traditionaloven.com/metal/precious-metals/gold/convert-ton-short-sh-tn-to-cubic-metre-m3-gold.html

One ton of Gold equals .047 cubic meters which equals 2868.1 Cubic Inches or 1.66 cubic feet or just a little bigger then 14.1 inches tall by 14.1 inches wide by 14. 1 inches long.

Thus 7 shoe boxes is all you would need to haul ALL the gold in. You will need a TRUCK to haul those 7 shoe boxes for we are talking about 2000 pounds or 286 pounds per shoe box.

This is assuming pure 99.99% Gold (i.e. 24 caret). Gold Coins are 10% Copper so the sizes will be larger.

If the gold is less prue, such as from jewelry, you would need more space. On the other hand Gold is the easier metal to melt, 1,948°F (1,064°C) thus it is possible this was gold that have been melted and put into barrels for later processing. The Barrels may NOT be larger then a Shoe Box and could weigh over 300 pounds.

Orrex

(63,208 posts)
21. Yeah, but...
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 04:15 PM
Mar 2015
Authorities say the male suspects then unloaded barrels filled with gold and made their getaway.

So my question remains: how many barrels does it take to fill a shoe box since that was the relative metric put forth in reply #7?

Never in my life have I heard of a barrel the size of a shoe box, unless we're talking about the barrel of a small cannon.

Is this some unique unit of volume for the transporting of gold? Even if that's the case, it's unthinkable to me that an article would use such a vague and confusing turn of phrase to describe the theft of several shoe box-sized units.





 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
29. Dry Barrels in the US is about 26 Gallons, a US Oil Barrel is 42 Gallons, Beer is 31 gallons
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 04:56 PM
Mar 2015
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrel_%28unit%29

Thus barrels is a broad term, representing VOLUME more then WEIGHT. Thus how large is a "Barrel" often depends on what the Barrel is intended for. In this case sounds like just to hold gold of various quality and that all. The price would be set once the gold is reduced to 99.99% gold.

Orrex

(63,208 posts)
30. Right. I know that. However...
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 07:37 PM
Mar 2015

You wrote:

The Barrels may NOT be larger then a Shoe Box and could weigh over 300 pounds.
Still not seeing how a barrel might not be larger than a shoe box, unless you were being facetious and I failed to realize it.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
40. The fineness depends on the type of gold coin
Tue Mar 3, 2015, 04:08 AM
Mar 2015

Old US gold coins (minted before 1934) are usually 90% gold, as are modern American gold commemorative coins.
US Gold Eagle bullion coins are 22K (91.6%) gold, as are Krugerrands.
US Buffalo bullion coins are 99.9% gold
Canadian, Australian and Austrian bullion coins are also 99.9% gold

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
23. Gold in varies amounts is transported all the time as it has many uses from electronics to jewelry.
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 04:18 PM
Mar 2015
 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
20. Or just sugar in the engine.
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 04:11 PM
Mar 2015

If you know the truck is leaving, dump some sugar in the gas tank or simply drill a hole in the gas tank. By the time the drivers figure out what has happened, the truck would have stalled and if followed by the robbers, taken over and the gold removed.

In_The_Wind

(72,300 posts)
32. Stranger things may have happened due to those kill-systems.
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 07:46 PM
Mar 2015

However, they got some 'splanin' to do.

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
37. They dont convert all gold to bars.
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 08:28 PM
Mar 2015

Barrels make sense if its gold dust or coins or something of similar size.

rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
38. Was the truck armored?
Tue Mar 3, 2015, 12:15 AM
Mar 2015

Last edited Wed May 27, 2015, 11:55 PM - Edit history (1)

When I see an armored vehicle, I get away from it as quickly as possible, whether I'm walking or driving.

I don't fantasize about robbing armored vehicles, I fantasize about being caught in the crossfire of other people robbing an armored vehicle!


rocktivity

rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
41. UPDATE: I've heard of "inside" jobs,
Wed Mar 4, 2015, 08:35 PM
Mar 2015

but this ridiculous:

...(A) seemingly ordinary episode of carsickness turned into a multimillion-dollar heist...

As soon as the guards stopped on the shoulder because one of them wasn't feeling well, three robbers drove up in a cargo van and confronted them at gunpoint, yelling "Policia!"...The thieves then set out orange traffic cones while they gathered up 275 pounds of gold bars worth $4.8 million and fled...

(A)uthorities said they were suspicious that the roadside robbery might have been an inside job...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141029721


rocktivity
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